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  • Don Wills
    Message 1 of 13 , Jun 11, 2008
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      On Jun 11, 2008, at 3:06 PM, George Blumel wrote:

      David, you have made yourself irrelevant. But if you want to get back in the arena read a real libertarian’s --Thomas Sowell-- answer to “Obama or McCain” :

      Now that the two parties have finally selected their presidential candidates, it is time for a sober-- if not grim-- assessment of where we are.

      Not since 1972 have we been presented with two such painfully inadequate candidates. When election day came that year, I could not bring myself to vote for either George McGovern or Richard Nixon. I stayed home.

      This year, none of us has that luxury. While all sorts of gushing is going on in the media, and posturing is going on in politics, the biggest national sponsor of terrorism in the world-- Iran-- is moving step by step toward building a nuclear bomb.

      The point when they get that bomb will be the point of no return.  Iran 's nuclear bomb will be the terrorists' nuclear bomb-- and they can make 9/11 look like child's play.

      All the options that are on the table right now will be swept off the table forever. Our choices will be to give in to whatever the terrorists demand-- however outrageous those demands might be-- or to risk seeing American cities start disappearing in radioactive mushroom clouds.

      All the things we are preoccupied with today, from the price of gasoline to health care to global warming, will suddenly no longer matter.

      Just as the Nazis did not find it enough to simply kill people in their concentration camps, but had to humiliate and dehumanize them first, so we can expect terrorists with nuclear weapons to both humiliate us and force us to humiliate ourselves, before they finally start killing us.

      They have already telegraphed their punches with their sadistic beheadings of innocent civilians, and with the popularity of videotapes of those beheadings in the  Middle East .

      They have already telegraphed their intention to dictate to us with such things as Osama bin Laden's threats to target those places in  America that did not vote the way he prescribed in the 2004 elections. He could not back up those threats then but he may be able to in a very few years.

      The terrorists have given us as clear a picture of what they are all about as Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did during the 1930s-- and our "leaders" and intelligentsia have ignored the warning signs as resolutely as the "leaders" and intelligentsia of the 1930s downplayed the dangers of Hitler.

      We are much like people drifting down the  Niagara River , oblivious to the waterfalls up ahead. Once we go over those falls, we cannot come back up again.

      What does this have to do with today's presidential candidates? It has everything to do with them.

      One of these candidates will determine what we are going to do to stop Iran from going nuclear-- or whether we are going to do anything other than talk, as Western leaders talked in the 1930s.

      There is one big difference between now and the 1930s. Although the West's lack of military preparedness and its political irresolution led to three solid years of devastating losses to Nazi Germany and imperial Japan , nevertheless when all the West's industrial and military forces were finally mobilized, the democracies were able to turn the tide and win decisively.

      But you cannot lose a nuclear war for three years and then come back. You cannot even sustain the will to resist for three years when you are first broken down morally by threats and then devastated by nuclear bombs.

      Our one window of opportunity to prevent this will occur within the term of whoever becomes President of the  United States next January.

      At a time like this, we do not have the luxury of waiting for our ideal candidate or of indulging our emotions by voting for some third party candidate to show our displeasure- - at the cost of putting someone in the White House who is not up to the job.

      Senator John McCain has been criticized in this column many times. But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate  America .

      On the contrary, he has paid a huge price for resisting our enemies, even when they held him prisoner and tortured him. The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.



      From: RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RLC- Action@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of David Johnson
      Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:14 PM
      To: RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com
      Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Put Your $$ Where Your Mouth Is ...


      On Wednesday 11 June 2008 07:57:15 am john heard wrote:
      > if you want to insure an Obama victory in Nov., then go ahead and vote for
      > Barr, dilute the Republican voter base, and enjoy the consequences.

      I am not a Republican because I think this is a sports team that I must root 
      for right or wrong. I am a Republican because I feel it is the best vehicle 
      for getting getting libertarians, classic liberals, and old-right 
      conservative candidates in office. I believe in small government, for both 
      pragmatic and moral reasons. Not just a smaller rate of growth in government, 
      but a government that is significantly smaller in size.

      As such, I cannot vote for Obama. But neither can I vote for McCain. I have 
      seen nothing to suggest that McCain would reduce the size of government.

      In terms of action, I'm looking for good candidates to support at the local 
      and state level. But at the national level Bob Barr is the only candidate I 
      can consider supporting.

      David Johnson

    • westmiller@aol.com
      Posted by: Guy McLendon ... This is not an LP forum. Members may help any campaign they please, but RLC resources should not be used to promote candidates
      Message 2 of 13 , Jun 11, 2008
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        Posted by: "Guy McLendon"
        > Hey dudes . we have a campaign to run ...
            This is not an LP forum. Members may help any
        campaign they please, but RLC resources should not
        be used to promote candidates who are not even
        endorsed by the RLC. I don't normally moderate
        this forum, but will preclude future postings on
        this topic. Discussion of the impact of Barr's
        campaign on the GOP are welcome at our other
        eGroup, RLC-Discuss ... but not solicitations to
        participate in any LP activities.

        Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.
      • Barry Moore
          In a speech at the ice cream social in Houston. But who knows, the media could be wrong.   I could eat glass.
        Message 3 of 13 , Jun 12, 2008
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          In a speech at the "ice cream social" in Houston. But who knows, the media could be wrong.


          I could eat glass.

        • George Blumel
          Louis is right, of course. Guy says Barr is a viable candidate. Guy needs a dictionary and some thoughtful reflection. As bad as the Repub candidate is in
          Message 4 of 13 , Jun 15, 2008
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            Louis is right, of course.  Guy says Barr is a “viable” candidate. Guy needs a dictionary and some thoughtful reflection. As bad as the Repub candidate is in many important ways, Obama is infinitely worse for the Republic –and it is the Republic that we must work to preserve. As for Barr, if you just reported his conservative votes over the years, he would look good. But, his subsequent work with the ACLU against the Homeland Security is appalling.  Barr, like other notable pols, voted for it before he decided to be against it. He authored the Defense of Marriage Act and now, on the ACLU payroll, he opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment.  Talk about Jeremiah Wright damning America –ACLU was there first.  I’m sure that there are other good reasons to oppose Barr as there certainly are reasons to oppose the other two candidates. But think about the Republic –what does a vote for Barr accomplish?  It would probably help Obama, right?  As bad as McCain is, he will have some solid people around him and that may help us get through his four years by which time we can regroup and recover. Would we recover from an Obama + Dem House and Senate?   Surely not without a lot more damage.


            Here’s a plan: hold your nose and vote for McCain. But work hard for good libertarian/conservative candidates for congress –we have quite a few opportunities including a good one in my district, Allen West (#22 FL).  Check out the www.clubforgrowth.org for the others.  –Geo.


            From: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com [mailto: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Louis William Rose
            Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:56 AM
            To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] [RLC-Action] Re: Put Your $$ Where Your Mouth Is ...


            My mouth says that I am a Republican and that is where my money is

            --- In RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com, "Guy McLendon" <guy@...> wrote:

            > Hey dudes . we have a campaign to run, and a candidate to support.
            > Please take this moment to open your wallets, and "walk the
            > http://www.bobbarr2 008.com/
            > From the perspective of the American electorate, Bob Barr is the
            most viable
            > candidate we've had in many election cycles .
            > Liberty
            needs a voice, and Americans need a choice.
            > The Republicans & Democrats are not our voice, and they give us no
            > Please help put the LP into the playing field. Bob Barr can't do
            > alone.
            > I just dropped another $100 into Bob's campaign coffers . will you
            please do
            > the same?
            > Guy McLendon
            > Chair Harris County
            > Houston ,
            > www.harrislp. org <http://www.harrislp .org/>

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