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  • John Pankratz
    Let s see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06 to plan for.
    Message 1 of 27 , Oct 22 7:49 AM
      Let's see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power
      structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06
      to plan for. We're a lot more likely to get people elected to down
      ballot positions, and build our influence in our respective state
      parties if we take a two year perspective at this time. Has anyone even
      spoken with Sanford? We aren't influential enough to propel a bandwagon
      for Sanford, but we could maybe help push a little. The pages of history
      are littered with good men who ran for President without the blessing of
      the kingmakers. Maybe the best thing that RLC people could do for
      Sanford would be inside the Party, talking with people who do the
      recruiting. Of course you need to be an insider to even know who those are.
      ......... john p. ..................
      ............ john p ..............

      Ray Holtorf wrote:

      > Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford '08 at your county board
      > meetings - get the name out early...
    • John Pankratz
      http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp excerpt: Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house quickly overrode 105
      Message 2 of 27 , Oct 22 8:05 AM
        http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp


        excerpt:

        Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house
        quickly overrode 105 vetoes. Sanford responded May 27 by walking into
        the statehouse rotunda with a squealing piglet under each arm. "Wait a
        minute," he asked in the /Charleston Post and Courier/. "There is plenty
        of money for 'pork' projects for individual members' districts, but no
        way to carve out any savings to pay off the deficit?"

        While many legislators and pundits frowned, talk radio hosts loved it.
        Letters to local newspapers mainly approved. Despite — or perhaps
        because of — this, Sanford's approval numbers exceed 70 percent.

        "Mark Sanford truly gets it," says Ed McMullen, President of Columbia's
        free-market South Carolina Policy Council. "He understands that limited
        government is an objective. He has succeeded in changing the debate."

        WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

        ............ JOHN P ..............
      • Bruno Behrend
        JP asked: (re: Sanford) WOULDN T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS? Bruno writes: Yes it would. Here is a reality check for you,
        Message 3 of 27 , Oct 22 8:22 AM
          JP asked: (re: Sanford)

          WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

          Bruno writes:

          Yes it would.

          Here is a reality check for you, though. Sanford is Gov. of SC; a far
          smaller fish to fry than the Presidency. Does political reality EVER
          intrude on ideologues.

          I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
          candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
          the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
          Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.

          ______________________________

          Another Sanford angle...

          In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
          if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
          people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
          would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
          blunt McCain's "front runner" status.

          If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
          Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
          start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).

          This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
          gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
          policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
          some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
          Schlockwell will have none.

          As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
          way to get the campaign started.

          Bruno
        • John Pankratz
          Wouldn t it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity to choices like McCain/Hillary? As if SHE isn t an idologue. Let s work on a better
          Message 4 of 27 , Oct 22 8:43 AM
            Wouldn't it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity
            to choices like McCain/Hillary?
            As if SHE isn't an idologue.

            Let's work on a better choice, whether Sanford or someone else. Who
            knows what turns of history will affect our fortunes between now and say
            3 years hence. If we aren't prepared, and haven't laid the groundwork,
            we won't have a chance.

            One man's idologue is another man's regular Good American.

            It's always too soon to give up.

            As for the "ownership society" ... America has been an Ownership Society
            all along. Calling a welfare program that buys people's houses with our
            tax money is not an ownership society. It is socialism.

            .............. john p ..............

            Bruno Behrend wrote:

            >... Does political reality EVER intrude on ideologues.
            >
            >I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
            >candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
            >the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
            >Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.
            >
            >______________________________
            >
            >Another Sanford angle...
            >
            >In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
            >if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
            >people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
            >would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
            >blunt McCain's "front runner" status.
            >
            >If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
            >Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
            >start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).
            >
            >This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
            >gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
            >policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
            >some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
            >Schlockwell will have none.
            >
            >As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
            >way to get the campaign started.
            >
            >Bruno
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
          • Steve Redlich
            One thing I ve noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates. Whether it s Vernon
            Message 5 of 27 , Oct 22 9:45 AM
              One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
              by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.

              Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
              or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
              forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
              the size of government.

              They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
              accordingly.

              I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
              candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
              not as much on the President's Race.

              Thanks,
              Steve Redlich
            • John Pankratz
              AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on 06. .............. jp .................
              Message 6 of 27 , Oct 22 10:17 AM
                AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on '06.
                .............. jp .................

                Steve Redlich wrote:

                >One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
                >by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.
                >
                >Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
                >or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
                >forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
                >the size of government.
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                >They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
                >accordingly.
                >
                >I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
                >candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
                >not as much on the President's Race.
                >
                >Thanks,
                >Steve Redlich
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              • Barry Moore
                That s pretty good chit, Guy. Guy McLendon wrote:I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US
                Message 7 of 27 , Oct 22 11:55 AM
                  That's pretty good chit, Guy.

                  Guy McLendon <guy@...> wrote:
                  I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                   
                  Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                   
                  How's that for chit-chat?
                   
                  Guy McLendon
                  RLC Louisiana Contact
                   

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                • Guy McLendon
                  I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7. He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has
                  Message 8 of 27 , Oct 22 12:25 PM
                    I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                     
                    Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                     
                    How's that for chit-chat?
                     
                    Guy McLendon
                    RLC Louisiana Contact
                     
                  • DGHarrison
                    Philip, If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National you will find files on the left side. Under
                    Message 9 of 27 , Oct 22 4:08 PM
                      Philip,

                      If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National
                      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rlc-national/files/> you will find
                      "files" on the left side. Under "files" you will find under "brochures"
                      a document created by John Reed. That tri-fold brochure is the one that
                      was created for RLCTX, and it has been the one that we are pointed to
                      each month as a source for our own downloading and printing. I have
                      suggested some improvements to make it more of a "National" brochure.
                      I'm waiting for feedback from John Reed and/or Bill Westmiller, which
                      I'm sure they're just not able to do right now due to the closeness of
                      the election.

                      With John or Bill's approval, I will send a copy of my proposed revision
                      via e-mail, using MS Publisher (which offers "wizards" for all sorts of
                      business forms, newsletters, and fliers, and which allows you to
                      download onto a floppy that can be brought to a printer for a complete
                      and accurate rendering). We have discussed the brochure on the
                      RLC-National discussion group, though I think I might have made a couple
                      more improvements based on Bill's suggestions since the last copy I send
                      to John & Bill. The RLC-National discussion group is a forum for elected
                      officials in state and national RLC offices, so I don't know how many
                      here have direct access to those archives. If you can't access those
                      archives, let me know, and I can send you a cut and paste of the
                      relevant descriptions of the currently proposed replacement tri-fold
                      brochure.

                      I agree with you (and Jeff Palmer) 100% that we must focus on
                      infrastructure, organization, and membership. Many of you live in states
                      that have a State Chapter. We in Minnesota are still trying to get one
                      off the ground. It is a tough time for it, due to the frenetic pace of
                      the election. I hope it gets easier after the election. If we remain too
                      few in number, we are a whisper, but if we can expand our membership,
                      our voice will be more broadly heard. A growth in membership not only
                      proves that we have a large following, but also allows us to pool
                      resources to apply toward funding grants to various worthy candidates.
                      If we can't get the money to the candidates, they won't see any
                      particular need to hear us, let alone heed us. So, membership drives
                      ought to be our single most important activity at the grassroots level.
                      I have added a few comments to your message below, if you care to scan
                      them now.

                      John and Bill, may I disseminate the latest design for the tri-fold
                      brochure? At least we may get more comments, especially from any well
                      honed publicists out there.

                      Doug Harrison

                      (My further comments appear alongside the original message below.)

                      Philip Blumel wrote:

                      >
                      > --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
                      > >> It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
                      > otherwise, our endorsements are valueless. To that end, the *top*
                      > priority must be reestablishing a regular newsletter.<<
                      >
                      > Hear, hear. The national RLC must focus its limited resources on the
                      > infrastructure needed for the organization to function.
                      >
                      > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                      > can be put in charge of each -- not necessarily doing it, but being
                      > utlimately responsible that it get done. (I have no idea if that is
                      > a realistic suggestion.)
                      >
                      > 1) Newsletter. Even an e-newsletter is acceptable if it is regular
                      > both in frequency and format. In Florida, we send out a quarterly e-
                      > newsletter which we archive on our website (www.rlcfl.org). National
                      > could do this also as a start. I do not recommend that this be done
                      > by committee but rather by one competent individual with excom
                      > approval of the final product.

                      The eNewsletter must be regularly updated, and I would suggest once
                      weekly during normal, non election years, and daily during election
                      years. I have found little use for Quarterly Newsletters, because
                      information often goes stale, even from the likes of my own city hall. I
                      can tell you from my own personal experience that I soon lose interest
                      in websites and newsletters that don't offer something new often. I
                      can't be alone is this. Also, the Internet is dynamic! Let's make use of
                      that medium to its full potential. Even if it is nothing more than a
                      readership poll on various issues, or a quiz to highlight recent
                      political events.

                      And I agree with you about the need for an Editor in Chief to run the
                      show. We should have "columns" written by our trusted members to
                      illuminate the issues from the liberty perspective. These articles
                      should appear regularly, but they could be presented on a rotating
                      basis, to give the writers a chance to think about a topic and take the
                      time needed to research it and prepare a thorough argument to convince
                      readers. The Editor in Chief must have the authority to request or make
                      revisions to correct grammatical or typographical errors (such errors
                      are usually legion and depreciate the value of a publication
                      significantly) and to ensure variety of contemporary, relevant issues
                      for the readers.

                      I also suggest that prior to publication of each newsletter, a
                      proofreader be assigned to ferret out all the mistakes prior to posting.
                      WARNING: A spell-check program is NOT a replacement for a real
                      proofreader! While it should be the author's responsibility to check
                      that all his references are accurate (hyper links are not broken,
                      people's names are spelled correctly, telephone numbers and addresses
                      are correct, etc.), a proofreader can easily double check that all links
                      work properly. There is no excuse for providing bad links. If a good
                      link goes bad because the target organization changes it, well, that
                      might be worth a good follow up story -- if they're trying to hide from
                      the public.

                      Do you have a background in editing, publishing, or journalism? Perhaps
                      we should do a survey to see what talent we actually have among our members.

                      > 2) We also need a very high quality (full color, glossy) mass
                      > produced tri-fold brochure with a membership form.

                      I think I covered that in my opening statement well enough. I will be
                      glad to provide more details to anyone asking.

                      > 3) Maintain the database and send renewal notices.

                      This is crucial. We not only have to increase our membership numbers, we
                      need to retain members! There is always a certain amount of turnover in
                      any membership -- people lose interest, life's challenges change, etc.
                      -- but we sure don't need to lose members due to apathy on our part.
                      Renewal notices don't necessarily have to be mailed out (saving us
                      postage), but reminders are almost always required by any service
                      provider or dues collecting organization.

                      > 4) Maintain the national website.

                      Again. The Internet is dynamic. The national website needs to be a place
                      for people to go to daily to find new information. It could also include
                      a "blog," something we talked about earlier on another group. The
                      website is, in this day and age, our main office and showroom. People
                      who come to visit expect to be both informed and entertained. If they
                      get neither, they'll move on and never give the RLC another thought.

                      > 5) Consistently publish the Liberty Index.

                      I think this is being done already. I've not been around long enough to
                      see how this thing really works, but I am doing my homework.

                      > 6) Send mailings to generate leads and new members and contributors.

                      This is best done from State Chapters, I think. That's where the leads
                      will be generated, through booths at State and County Fairs,
                      Conventions, etc. Of course, leads generated from the National Website
                      will have to be followed up from there.

                      > The state organizations should really be doing the actual work of
                      > organizing, activism, campaigning, etc. But these tools will equip
                      > us for the task.
                      >
                      > -- Philip Blumel
                    • westmiller@aol.com
                      ... I like Phil s list, with a few revisions. Let s organize the discussion under the below individual SUBJECT: lines. I have comments and background on
                      Message 10 of 27 , Oct 22 9:43 PM
                        > From: "Philip Blumel" <philip.blumel@...>
                        > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                        > can be put in charge of each ...

                        I like Phil's list, with a few revisions. Let's organize the discussion
                        under the below individual "SUBJECT:" lines. I have comments and
                        background on each, but the general problem I've encountered is that
                        everyone knows what "WE" should do, but few are able or willing to
                        take on a task and pursue it consistently and vigorously. That's a
                        hazard in any all-volunteer organization. Everybody "has a life".
                        My top priority has always been the national newsletter, but I
                        have ten other jobs that *have to be done now* and little assistance
                        in the basic burdens. Therefore, my inclination is to do something
                        "evil": add financial incentives. We barely have enough to mail one
                        newsletter to all 8,000 people in our database, but we do have the
                        resources to offer reasonable compensation to get jobs done. The
                        only alternative is disincentive: my bitching and moaning that some
                        designated person isn't doing the job. That doesn't work for me.
                        With about $4,000 in the bank, I have no problem designating
                        reimbursement (beyond expenses) for some of the most important
                        tasks. In that context, fundraising efforts get priority ... they make
                        it possible to fund and reward other projects.
                        Of course, I don't want to discourage true devotion and willingness
                        to commit to individual tasks without compensation. I just don't trust
                        that motivation to establish a personal priority in RLC projects.
                        Comments welcome.

                        Bill
                        -------------------------------------------
                        Membership Communications
                        SUBJECT: Newsletter Editing and Production
                        SUBJECT: Membership maintenance and solicitation
                        SUBJECT: Web Services for Members
                        SUBJECT: Special Conventions & Events

                        Public Communications
                        SUBJECT: Website(s)
                        SUBJECT: eNews and eGroups
                        SUBJECT: Printed Literature
                        SUBJECT: Liberty Index
                        SUBJECT: Coalition Building

                        Fundraising
                        SUBJECT: Member solicitation
                        SUBJECT: List Exchanges
                        SUBJECT: Commissioned Fundraising
                        SUBJECT: PAC Fundraising

                        Activist Support
                        SUBJECT: State Chartering
                        SUBJECT: Candidate Review
                        SUBJECT: RLC/GOP Events
                        SUBJECT: Party Organization/Infiltration
                      • John Pankratz
                        An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population. Here s a clue: It ain t easy.
                        Message 11 of 27 , Oct 22 10:48 PM
                          An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                          Here's a clue: It ain't easy.

                          http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html
                        • Bruno Behrend
                          JP wrote: Here s a clue: It ain t easy. Bruno writes: Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell ;-) Here is the close... First, reject everything you
                          Message 12 of 27 , Oct 22 11:07 PM
                            JP wrote:
                            Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                             
                            Bruno writes:
                             
                            Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                             
                            Here is the close...
                             
                            First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                             
                            "not easy" indeed.
                          • Guy McLendon
                            Moderator, Please stop this chit-chat crap now. This group is intended for working messages only. GM ... From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@sbcglobal.net]
                            Message 13 of 27 , Oct 23 8:57 AM
                              Moderator,
                               
                              Please stop this chit-chat crap now.
                               
                              This group is intended for working messages only.
                               
                              GM
                               
                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@...]
                              Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:08 PM
                              To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [RLC-Action] An article on geekspeaking to SoccerMoms

                              JP wrote:
                              Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                               
                              Bruno writes:
                               
                              Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                               
                              Here is the close...
                               
                              First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                               
                              "not easy" indeed.

                            • Dave Nalle
                              ... Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for conservative christians.
                              Message 14 of 27 , Oct 23 9:32 AM
                                >An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                                >Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                >
                                ><http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html>http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html

                                Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It
                                misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for
                                conservative christians. Regardless of what flaws Bush may or may
                                not have, exactly who else are they going to vote for? They're in
                                the same difficult situation as we RLC folks are. We may not like
                                Bush's record on the Drug War or Medicaire or the Patriot Act, but we
                                KNOW Kerry would be worse, so we bite the bullet and vote for Bush.

                                Dave
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