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  • John Pankratz
    ... ==================== I know we have done too little, but compared with the past, our guys in Texas have been working quite successfully to build
    Message 1 of 27 , Oct 22 7:16 AM
      Philip Blumel wrote:

      >--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >>>It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
      >>>
      >>>
      ====================
      I know we have done too little, but compared with the past, our guys in
      Texas have been working quite successfully to build membership. One
      thing that has helped has been to have a booth at the State Republican
      Convention. This gives us many hundreds of contacts each two years. Of
      course we have Ron Paul, and several state officials, and they help draw
      a crowd for our reception. This year our reception drew about 1000. It
      really helps to have prominent people associated with you in your State.
      Nevertheless, even if you do you have to act to take advantage of your
      opportunities. Even without high profile members you can still have a
      booth, use the smallest political quiz, with stickers to show the
      distribution of test takers at the site. In our case, they are heavily
      in the upper right-hand quadrant, which really impresses passers by (and
      officials too, I believe) Of course this is Texas.

      Our leaders are also pretty good at keeping up the website and putting
      our an e-newsletter. Printed newsletters are expensive to mail, and you
      have the problem of building a mailing list. It might pay to put one out
      to have a stack available at State Convention time, though. Even county
      conventions could use them.
      Look at http://www.rlctexas.org

      John P.
    • Ray Holtorf
      Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford 08 at your county board meetings - get the name out early... ... From: Jeff Palmer [mailto:jap@highstream.net]
      Message 2 of 27 , Oct 22 7:39 AM
        Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford '08 at your county board meetings - get the name out early...
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Jeff Palmer [mailto:jap@...]
        Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:38 AM
        To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [RLC-Action] Topics for discussion

        I don't see how a formal endorsement could be considered until, at the earliest, shortly before the presidential primaries when the slate of candidates is known.
         
        The idea of some "very early" behind-the-scenes RLC involvement is a good one, however.  I agree that Gov. Sanford would be a very RLC-worthy presidential candidate.  Provided the preponderance of the board and this e-group agree, I'd recommend that the board authorize you (or an appropriate designee) to personally contact the governor and encourage his candidacy - perhaps as early as shortly after the coming election.
         
        Jeff Palmer - jap@...

        -----Original Message-----
        From: William Westmiller [mailto:westmiller@...]  <SNIPPED> 

          2. I'd love to start working *now* on getting all of the
        RLC Chartered States to agree to a *very early* endorsement
        for President. I think Mark Sanford fills the bill perfectly
        and he has a pending re-election as SC Governor in 2006 where
        we could have an impact. Most important, he is a truly viable
        candidate for President.

      • John Pankratz
        Let s see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06 to plan for.
        Message 3 of 27 , Oct 22 7:49 AM
          Let's see how 11/2 turns out. It will make a difference how the power
          structure in the party is organized. And then we have an election in 06
          to plan for. We're a lot more likely to get people elected to down
          ballot positions, and build our influence in our respective state
          parties if we take a two year perspective at this time. Has anyone even
          spoken with Sanford? We aren't influential enough to propel a bandwagon
          for Sanford, but we could maybe help push a little. The pages of history
          are littered with good men who ran for President without the blessing of
          the kingmakers. Maybe the best thing that RLC people could do for
          Sanford would be inside the Party, talking with people who do the
          recruiting. Of course you need to be an insider to even know who those are.
          ......... john p. ..................
          ............ john p ..............

          Ray Holtorf wrote:

          > Better yet is promoting the idea of Sanford '08 at your county board
          > meetings - get the name out early...
        • John Pankratz
          http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp excerpt: Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house quickly overrode 105
          Message 4 of 27 , Oct 22 8:05 AM
            http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp


            excerpt:

            Sanford issued 106 vetoes to close this $16 million gap. The house
            quickly overrode 105 vetoes. Sanford responded May 27 by walking into
            the statehouse rotunda with a squealing piglet under each arm. "Wait a
            minute," he asked in the /Charleston Post and Courier/. "There is plenty
            of money for 'pork' projects for individual members' districts, but no
            way to carve out any savings to pay off the deficit?"

            While many legislators and pundits frowned, talk radio hosts loved it.
            Letters to local newspapers mainly approved. Despite — or perhaps
            because of — this, Sanford's approval numbers exceed 70 percent.

            "Mark Sanford truly gets it," says Ed McMullen, President of Columbia's
            free-market South Carolina Policy Council. "He understands that limited
            government is an objective. He has succeeded in changing the debate."

            WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

            ............ JOHN P ..............
          • Bruno Behrend
            JP asked: (re: Sanford) WOULDN T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS? Bruno writes: Yes it would. Here is a reality check for you,
            Message 5 of 27 , Oct 22 8:22 AM
              JP asked: (re: Sanford)

              WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO WOULD DO THIS?

              Bruno writes:

              Yes it would.

              Here is a reality check for you, though. Sanford is Gov. of SC; a far
              smaller fish to fry than the Presidency. Does political reality EVER
              intrude on ideologues.

              I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
              candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
              the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
              Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.

              ______________________________

              Another Sanford angle...

              In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
              if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
              people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
              would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
              blunt McCain's "front runner" status.

              If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
              Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
              start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).

              This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
              gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
              policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
              some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
              Schlockwell will have none.

              As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
              way to get the campaign started.

              Bruno
            • John Pankratz
              Wouldn t it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity to choices like McCain/Hillary? As if SHE isn t an idologue. Let s work on a better
              Message 6 of 27 , Oct 22 8:43 AM
                Wouldn't it be disheartening if we had to resign ourselves in perpetuity
                to choices like McCain/Hillary?
                As if SHE isn't an idologue.

                Let's work on a better choice, whether Sanford or someone else. Who
                knows what turns of history will affect our fortunes between now and say
                3 years hence. If we aren't prepared, and haven't laid the groundwork,
                we won't have a chance.

                One man's idologue is another man's regular Good American.

                It's always too soon to give up.

                As for the "ownership society" ... America has been an Ownership Society
                all along. Calling a welfare program that buys people's houses with our
                tax money is not an ownership society. It is socialism.

                .............. john p ..............

                Bruno Behrend wrote:

                >... Does political reality EVER intrude on ideologues.
                >
                >I'll gladly work for such a goal. I'd even be up for having such a
                >candidate win the nomination, even if he was "less likely" to get elected in
                >the general. At the end of the day however, I'll vote for a McCain or a
                >Frist (though I dislike both) over Hillary.
                >
                >______________________________
                >
                >Another Sanford angle...
                >
                >In strategic terms, it is likely that Cheney resigns in the next four years
                >if Bush wins. This may even have been part of a long term plan for the Bush
                >people. The person picked has an automatic advantage over the pack. It
                >would not surprise me in the least that this will be considered simply to
                >blunt McCain's "front runner" status.
                >
                >If this happens, who gets picked will be an indicator of which direction
                >Bush would like to see things go. This presents us with an opportunity to
                >start a whispering campaign for a Sanford or an Owens (CO).
                >
                >This type of stuff also provides an object lesson in how to gain, and not
                >gain, influence with administration. CATO has been very critical of Iraq
                >policy, but pretty positive on the "ownership society." They still have
                >some influence. An organization known for posting "antiwar.com" detritus &
                >Schlockwell will have none.
                >
                >As an aside, getting the mainline blogs talking about this issue is a good
                >way to get the campaign started.
                >
                >Bruno
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • Steve Redlich
                One thing I ve noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates. Whether it s Vernon
                Message 7 of 27 , Oct 22 9:45 AM
                  One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
                  by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.

                  Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
                  or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
                  forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
                  the size of government.

                  They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
                  accordingly.

                  I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
                  candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
                  not as much on the President's Race.

                  Thanks,
                  Steve Redlich
                • John Pankratz
                  AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on 06. .............. jp .................
                  Message 8 of 27 , Oct 22 10:17 AM
                    AMEN! Right now our primary focus should be on '06.
                    .............. jp .................

                    Steve Redlich wrote:

                    >One thing I've noticed this election cycle was very heavy spending
                    >by the left to defeat pro small government congressional candidates.
                    >
                    >Whether it's Vernon Robinson, Herman Cain or Pat Toomey in the primaries,
                    >or Tom Coburn, Jim Demint and Tom Tancredo in the general, left leaning
                    >forces are spending millions to defeat candidates who want to reduce
                    >the size of government.
                    >
                    >They know our candidates are their biggest threat and have spent
                    >accordingly.
                    >
                    >I think we need to concentrate on getting good congressional and senate
                    >candidates into office in '06, and countering the democrat's money, and
                    >not as much on the President's Race.
                    >
                    >Thanks,
                    >Steve Redlich
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                  • Barry Moore
                    That s pretty good chit, Guy. Guy McLendon wrote:I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US
                    Message 9 of 27 , Oct 22 11:55 AM
                      That's pretty good chit, Guy.

                      Guy McLendon <guy@...> wrote:
                      I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                       
                      Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                       
                      How's that for chit-chat?
                       
                      Guy McLendon
                      RLC Louisiana Contact
                       

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                    • Guy McLendon
                      I ve just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7. He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has
                      Message 10 of 27 , Oct 22 12:25 PM
                        I've just sent an email to prospect David Thibodaux who is currently a candidate for US Congress in LA #7.  He has given me multiple phone numbers, and has asked me to call him.  I hope to meet him again in person this coming Wednesday.
                         
                        Regarding general libertarian movement cooperation, please note this:  if not for the Libertarian Party of LA, I would not have met this person.
                         
                        How's that for chit-chat?
                         
                        Guy McLendon
                        RLC Louisiana Contact
                         
                      • DGHarrison
                        Philip, If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National you will find files on the left side. Under
                        Message 11 of 27 , Oct 22 4:08 PM
                          Philip,

                          If you have viewed the home page of RLC-National
                          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rlc-national/files/> you will find
                          "files" on the left side. Under "files" you will find under "brochures"
                          a document created by John Reed. That tri-fold brochure is the one that
                          was created for RLCTX, and it has been the one that we are pointed to
                          each month as a source for our own downloading and printing. I have
                          suggested some improvements to make it more of a "National" brochure.
                          I'm waiting for feedback from John Reed and/or Bill Westmiller, which
                          I'm sure they're just not able to do right now due to the closeness of
                          the election.

                          With John or Bill's approval, I will send a copy of my proposed revision
                          via e-mail, using MS Publisher (which offers "wizards" for all sorts of
                          business forms, newsletters, and fliers, and which allows you to
                          download onto a floppy that can be brought to a printer for a complete
                          and accurate rendering). We have discussed the brochure on the
                          RLC-National discussion group, though I think I might have made a couple
                          more improvements based on Bill's suggestions since the last copy I send
                          to John & Bill. The RLC-National discussion group is a forum for elected
                          officials in state and national RLC offices, so I don't know how many
                          here have direct access to those archives. If you can't access those
                          archives, let me know, and I can send you a cut and paste of the
                          relevant descriptions of the currently proposed replacement tri-fold
                          brochure.

                          I agree with you (and Jeff Palmer) 100% that we must focus on
                          infrastructure, organization, and membership. Many of you live in states
                          that have a State Chapter. We in Minnesota are still trying to get one
                          off the ground. It is a tough time for it, due to the frenetic pace of
                          the election. I hope it gets easier after the election. If we remain too
                          few in number, we are a whisper, but if we can expand our membership,
                          our voice will be more broadly heard. A growth in membership not only
                          proves that we have a large following, but also allows us to pool
                          resources to apply toward funding grants to various worthy candidates.
                          If we can't get the money to the candidates, they won't see any
                          particular need to hear us, let alone heed us. So, membership drives
                          ought to be our single most important activity at the grassroots level.
                          I have added a few comments to your message below, if you care to scan
                          them now.

                          John and Bill, may I disseminate the latest design for the tri-fold
                          brochure? At least we may get more comments, especially from any well
                          honed publicists out there.

                          Doug Harrison

                          (My further comments appear alongside the original message below.)

                          Philip Blumel wrote:

                          >
                          > --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Palmer" <jap@h...> wrote:
                          > >> It seems to me, the top priority must be building membership -
                          > otherwise, our endorsements are valueless. To that end, the *top*
                          > priority must be reestablishing a regular newsletter.<<
                          >
                          > Hear, hear. The national RLC must focus its limited resources on the
                          > infrastructure needed for the organization to function.
                          >
                          > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                          > can be put in charge of each -- not necessarily doing it, but being
                          > utlimately responsible that it get done. (I have no idea if that is
                          > a realistic suggestion.)
                          >
                          > 1) Newsletter. Even an e-newsletter is acceptable if it is regular
                          > both in frequency and format. In Florida, we send out a quarterly e-
                          > newsletter which we archive on our website (www.rlcfl.org). National
                          > could do this also as a start. I do not recommend that this be done
                          > by committee but rather by one competent individual with excom
                          > approval of the final product.

                          The eNewsletter must be regularly updated, and I would suggest once
                          weekly during normal, non election years, and daily during election
                          years. I have found little use for Quarterly Newsletters, because
                          information often goes stale, even from the likes of my own city hall. I
                          can tell you from my own personal experience that I soon lose interest
                          in websites and newsletters that don't offer something new often. I
                          can't be alone is this. Also, the Internet is dynamic! Let's make use of
                          that medium to its full potential. Even if it is nothing more than a
                          readership poll on various issues, or a quiz to highlight recent
                          political events.

                          And I agree with you about the need for an Editor in Chief to run the
                          show. We should have "columns" written by our trusted members to
                          illuminate the issues from the liberty perspective. These articles
                          should appear regularly, but they could be presented on a rotating
                          basis, to give the writers a chance to think about a topic and take the
                          time needed to research it and prepare a thorough argument to convince
                          readers. The Editor in Chief must have the authority to request or make
                          revisions to correct grammatical or typographical errors (such errors
                          are usually legion and depreciate the value of a publication
                          significantly) and to ensure variety of contemporary, relevant issues
                          for the readers.

                          I also suggest that prior to publication of each newsletter, a
                          proofreader be assigned to ferret out all the mistakes prior to posting.
                          WARNING: A spell-check program is NOT a replacement for a real
                          proofreader! While it should be the author's responsibility to check
                          that all his references are accurate (hyper links are not broken,
                          people's names are spelled correctly, telephone numbers and addresses
                          are correct, etc.), a proofreader can easily double check that all links
                          work properly. There is no excuse for providing bad links. If a good
                          link goes bad because the target organization changes it, well, that
                          might be worth a good follow up story -- if they're trying to hide from
                          the public.

                          Do you have a background in editing, publishing, or journalism? Perhaps
                          we should do a survey to see what talent we actually have among our members.

                          > 2) We also need a very high quality (full color, glossy) mass
                          > produced tri-fold brochure with a membership form.

                          I think I covered that in my opening statement well enough. I will be
                          glad to provide more details to anyone asking.

                          > 3) Maintain the database and send renewal notices.

                          This is crucial. We not only have to increase our membership numbers, we
                          need to retain members! There is always a certain amount of turnover in
                          any membership -- people lose interest, life's challenges change, etc.
                          -- but we sure don't need to lose members due to apathy on our part.
                          Renewal notices don't necessarily have to be mailed out (saving us
                          postage), but reminders are almost always required by any service
                          provider or dues collecting organization.

                          > 4) Maintain the national website.

                          Again. The Internet is dynamic. The national website needs to be a place
                          for people to go to daily to find new information. It could also include
                          a "blog," something we talked about earlier on another group. The
                          website is, in this day and age, our main office and showroom. People
                          who come to visit expect to be both informed and entertained. If they
                          get neither, they'll move on and never give the RLC another thought.

                          > 5) Consistently publish the Liberty Index.

                          I think this is being done already. I've not been around long enough to
                          see how this thing really works, but I am doing my homework.

                          > 6) Send mailings to generate leads and new members and contributors.

                          This is best done from State Chapters, I think. That's where the leads
                          will be generated, through booths at State and County Fairs,
                          Conventions, etc. Of course, leads generated from the National Website
                          will have to be followed up from there.

                          > The state organizations should really be doing the actual work of
                          > organizing, activism, campaigning, etc. But these tools will equip
                          > us for the task.
                          >
                          > -- Philip Blumel
                        • westmiller@aol.com
                          ... I like Phil s list, with a few revisions. Let s organize the discussion under the below individual SUBJECT: lines. I have comments and background on
                          Message 12 of 27 , Oct 22 9:43 PM
                            > From: "Philip Blumel" <philip.blumel@...>
                            > I would offer the following as priorities. Maybe one excom member
                            > can be put in charge of each ...

                            I like Phil's list, with a few revisions. Let's organize the discussion
                            under the below individual "SUBJECT:" lines. I have comments and
                            background on each, but the general problem I've encountered is that
                            everyone knows what "WE" should do, but few are able or willing to
                            take on a task and pursue it consistently and vigorously. That's a
                            hazard in any all-volunteer organization. Everybody "has a life".
                            My top priority has always been the national newsletter, but I
                            have ten other jobs that *have to be done now* and little assistance
                            in the basic burdens. Therefore, my inclination is to do something
                            "evil": add financial incentives. We barely have enough to mail one
                            newsletter to all 8,000 people in our database, but we do have the
                            resources to offer reasonable compensation to get jobs done. The
                            only alternative is disincentive: my bitching and moaning that some
                            designated person isn't doing the job. That doesn't work for me.
                            With about $4,000 in the bank, I have no problem designating
                            reimbursement (beyond expenses) for some of the most important
                            tasks. In that context, fundraising efforts get priority ... they make
                            it possible to fund and reward other projects.
                            Of course, I don't want to discourage true devotion and willingness
                            to commit to individual tasks without compensation. I just don't trust
                            that motivation to establish a personal priority in RLC projects.
                            Comments welcome.

                            Bill
                            -------------------------------------------
                            Membership Communications
                            SUBJECT: Newsletter Editing and Production
                            SUBJECT: Membership maintenance and solicitation
                            SUBJECT: Web Services for Members
                            SUBJECT: Special Conventions & Events

                            Public Communications
                            SUBJECT: Website(s)
                            SUBJECT: eNews and eGroups
                            SUBJECT: Printed Literature
                            SUBJECT: Liberty Index
                            SUBJECT: Coalition Building

                            Fundraising
                            SUBJECT: Member solicitation
                            SUBJECT: List Exchanges
                            SUBJECT: Commissioned Fundraising
                            SUBJECT: PAC Fundraising

                            Activist Support
                            SUBJECT: State Chartering
                            SUBJECT: Candidate Review
                            SUBJECT: RLC/GOP Events
                            SUBJECT: Party Organization/Infiltration
                          • John Pankratz
                            An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population. Here s a clue: It ain t easy.
                            Message 13 of 27 , Oct 22 10:48 PM
                              An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                              Here's a clue: It ain't easy.

                              http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html
                            • Bruno Behrend
                              JP wrote: Here s a clue: It ain t easy. Bruno writes: Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell ;-) Here is the close... First, reject everything you
                              Message 14 of 27 , Oct 22 11:07 PM
                                JP wrote:
                                Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                 
                                Bruno writes:
                                 
                                Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                                 
                                Here is the close...
                                 
                                First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                                 
                                "not easy" indeed.
                              • Guy McLendon
                                Moderator, Please stop this chit-chat crap now. This group is intended for working messages only. GM ... From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@sbcglobal.net]
                                Message 15 of 27 , Oct 23 8:57 AM
                                  Moderator,
                                   
                                  Please stop this chit-chat crap now.
                                   
                                  This group is intended for working messages only.
                                   
                                  GM
                                   
                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Bruno Behrend [mailto:davincicg@...]
                                  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:08 PM
                                  To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [RLC-Action] An article on geekspeaking to SoccerMoms

                                  JP wrote:
                                  Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                   
                                  Bruno writes:
                                   
                                  Especially if you promote a whackjob like Rockwell  ;-)
                                   
                                  Here is the close...
                                   
                                  First, reject everything you mistakenly believe in, 2nd, accept all my extreme statements, 3rd, storm the barricades.
                                   
                                  "not easy" indeed.

                                • Dave Nalle
                                  ... Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for conservative christians.
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Oct 23 9:32 AM
                                    >An article on communicating libertarian values to the general population.
                                    >Here's a clue: It ain't easy.
                                    >
                                    ><http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html>http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson-jl/wilson-james17.html

                                    Rarely have I been exposed to greater idiocy than this article. It
                                    misses the fundamental point of the entire election choice for
                                    conservative christians. Regardless of what flaws Bush may or may
                                    not have, exactly who else are they going to vote for? They're in
                                    the same difficult situation as we RLC folks are. We may not like
                                    Bush's record on the Drug War or Medicaire or the Patriot Act, but we
                                    KNOW Kerry would be worse, so we bite the bullet and vote for Bush.

                                    Dave
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