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  • DGHarrison
    I don t like McCain, yet everywhere he is referenced as being the likely Republican presidential candidate in 2008. Even though he ranked as a Libertarian (P:
    Message 1 of 12 , May 2, 2006
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      I don't like McCain, yet everywhere he is referenced as being the likely Republican presidential candidate in 2008. Even though he ranked as a Libertarian (P: 84 E:80 C:82.1) for the 2005 session of Congress and has a Lifetime ranking of Enterpriser (P:62 E:79 C:70.4), I am still very much opposed to the man because of the McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act. I am even more angry with Bush for acknowledging that parts of the bill were unconstitutional but that he'd sign it anyway and let the Supreme Court handle it. The Supremes took a pass.

      Is there anyone in the wings besides McCain that will seek the Republican nomination, and if so, are any of them worthy of RLC endorsement?

      Doug Harrison
      Minnesota


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    • Dave Nalle
      Rudy Giuliani sure is making a lot of speeches in key states for a guy who s not running for president, and he s as good or better than McCain on most key
      Message 2 of 12 , May 2, 2006
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        Rudy Giuliani sure is making a lot of speeches in key states for a
        guy who's not running for president, and he's as good or better than
        McCain on most key Libertarian issues. Plus he's not a Senator, and
        as we all know, Senators lose presidential elections.

        Out of curiosity is there a Draft Sandford movement out there yet?

        Dave

        >I don't like McCain, yet everywhere he is referenced as being the
        >likely Republican presidential candidate in 2008. Even though he
        >ranked as a Libertarian (P: 84 E:80 C:82.1) for the 2005 session of
        >Congress and has a Lifetime ranking of Enterpriser (P:62 E:79
        >C:70.4), I am still very much opposed to the man because of the
        >McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act. I am even more
        >angry with Bush for acknowledging that parts of the bill were
        >unconstitutional but that he'd sign it anyway and let the Supreme
        >Court handle it. The Supremes took a pass.
        >
        >Is there anyone in the wings besides McCain that will seek the
        >Republican nomination, and if so, are any of them worthy of RLC
        >endorsement?
        >
        >Doug Harrison
        >Minnesota

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      • Jeff Palmer
        And there are several others. My money s on Virginia s Dick Allen to win the nomination. [I believe the Draft Sanford movement went into hibernation when
        Message 3 of 12 , May 2, 2006
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          And there are several others.  My money's on Virginia's Dick Allen to win the nomination.
           
          [I believe the Draft Sanford movement went into hibernation when Sanford explicitly said he wouldn't run due to his commitment as governor.]

          Jeff Palmer - jap@...
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          Rudy Giuliani sure is making a lot of speeches in key states for a
          guy who's not running for president, and he's as good or better than
          McCain on most key Libertarian issues.  Plus he's not a Senator, and
          as we all know, Senators lose presidential elections.

          Out of curiosity is there a Draft Sandford movement out there yet?

          Dave

          >I don't like McCain, yet everywhere he is referenced as being the
          >likely Republican presidential candidate in 2008. Even though he
          >ranked as a Libertarian (P: 84 E:80 C:82.1) for the 2005 session of
          >Congress and has a Lifetime ranking of Enterpriser (P:62 E:79
          >C:70.4), I am still very much opposed to the man because of the
          >McCain-Feingold Political Speech Suppression Act. I am even more
          >angry with Bush for acknowledging that parts of the bill were
          >unconstitutional but that he'd sign it anyway and let the Supreme
          >Court handle it. The Supremes took a pass.
          >
          >Is there anyone in the wings besides McCain that will seek the
          >Republican nomination, and if so, are any of them worthy of RLC
          >endorsement?
          >
          >Doug Harrison
          >Minnesota

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        • DGHarrison
          And there are several others. My money s on Virginia s Dick Allen to win the nomination. -- Jeff Palmer From Thomas Sowell today: One of the few encouraging
          Message 4 of 12 , May 2, 2006
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            And there are several others.  My money's on Virginia's Dick Allen to win the nomination. -- Jeff Palmer

            From Thomas Sowell today: One of the few encouraging signs in the current political scene is that Senator John McCain finished behind several other candidates in a Republican straw poll for Presidential candidates. Apparently his self-centered opportunism has not gone unnoticed, despite the good press he has gotten by pandering to the media.

            Does anyone have a link to that straw poll?

            Doug Harrison
            Minnesota


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          • Thomas Sewell
            Straw polls this year, SRLC is probably the one he s talking about. SRLC: http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/03/srlc_straw_poll_1.ht ml CPAC:
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              Straw polls this year, SRLC is probably the one he's talking about.
              SRLC:
              CPAC:
               
               
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              And there are several others.  My money's on Virginia's Dick Allen to win the nomination. -- Jeff Palmer

              From Thomas Sowell today: One of the few encouraging signs in the current political scene is that Senator John McCain finished behind several other candidates in a Republican straw poll for Presidential candidates. Apparently his self-centered opportunism has not gone unnoticed, despite the good press he has gotten by pandering to the media.

              Does anyone have a link to that straw poll?

              Doug Harrison
              Minnesota
               

            • DGHarrison
              ... Thanks Tom. I am not particularly amused by the rather large number of people that wrote in Bush in the HotLine straw poll. Obviously, there was some
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                Thomas Sewell wrote:
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                Straw polls this year, SRLC is probably the one he's talking about.
                SRLC:
                CPAC:

                Thanks Tom. I am not particularly amused by the rather large number of people that wrote in "Bush" in the HotLine straw poll. Obviously, there was some sort of orchestrated effort to make that statement, whatever it's supposed to mean. Perhaps there was no option for "None of the Above," or "Other," but writing in "Bush" is still a pretty goofy response. Does anyone know of other Republican straw polls?

                Doug Harrison
                Minnesota



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              • Thomas Sewell
                According to one story, McCain was telling people to write-in Bush during that poll to show support once he realized he wasn t likely to win the poll, so you
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                  According to one story, McCain was telling people to write-in Bush during that poll to "show support" once he realized he wasn't likely to win the poll, so you could read that 10% as being mostly for him as well.
                   
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                  Thomas Sewell wrote:
                  Straw polls this year, SRLC is probably the one he's talking about.
                  SRLC:
                  CPAC:

                  Thanks Tom. I am not particularly amused by the rather large number of people that wrote in "Bush" in the HotLine straw poll. Obviously, there was some sort of orchestrated effort to make that statement, whatever it's supposed to mean. Perhaps there was no option for "None of the Above," or "Other," but writing in "Bush" is still a pretty goofy response. Does anyone know of other Republican straw polls?

                  Doug Harrison
                  Minnesota
                   

                • Dave Nalle
                  I m surprised to see Frist high in those polls. I have more faith in this one: http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm Fox News also has a poll
                  Message 8 of 12 , May 2, 2006
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                    I'm surprised to see Frist high in those polls. I have more faith in this one:

                    http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm

                    Fox News also has a poll

                    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188633,00.html

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                  • Ray Holtorf
                    Guilliani has been openly pro-choice. He has no chance with the primary voters - maybe a good VP choice! I like Newt - but I m sure he had a vote here or there
                    Message 9 of 12 , May 3, 2006
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                      Guilliani has been openly pro-choice. He has no chance
                      with the primary voters - maybe a good VP choice!

                      I like Newt - but I'm sure he had a vote here or there
                      that someone hates. I know he had some personal
                      issues, but I don't think it stops him from a serious
                      run. He seems the most libertarian at this point...
                      let the FLAMES BEGIN! :-)

                      --- Dave Nalle <dave@...> wrote:

                      > I'm surprised to see Frist high in those polls. I
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                      > http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
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                      > Fox News also has a poll
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                      > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188633,00.html
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                    • tim condon
                      Guiliani can t win the nomination; not only is he pro-abortion but he s also anti-gun. The Republican base that votes in the primaries will never hand the
                      Message 10 of 12 , May 3, 2006
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                        Guiliani can't win the nomination; not only is he pro-abortion but he's also anti-gun. The Republican base that votes in the primaries will never hand the presidential nomination to him.

                        McCain, by contrast, has little to no real support among the GOP primary voters. His appeal now is entirely generated by favorable anti-GOP media puffery. He is the "media candidate" this time around, just as others like John Anderson (in 1980) and Pete McCloskey (in 1972) in the past have been fawned over by the mainstream media, and then utterly rejected by the GOP voters. (See? You've never heard of either of them, have you. That's my point. The mainstream media has *always* pushed any statist, socialist, anti-GOP Republican candidate they could seize upon; this pattern goes all the way back to Bill Scranton and Nelson Rockefeller in 1964 when the MSM was pushing them against Goldwater for the GOP nomination.)

                        Who would we be supporting? Sen. George Allen, of Virginia. He describes his political philosophy thusly: "If people are doing what they want to do, and they're not harming anyone else, then they shouldn't be bothered by the government." In other words, he's a moderate libertarian, and in fact has identified himself as such on occasion. Read up on him, and see if he isn't the answer to continued statism and socialism of either today's President Bush or tomorrow's Hillary Clinton.   ---Tim Condon


                        On 5/3/06, Ray Holtorf <rayholtorf@...> wrote:
                        Guilliani has been openly pro-choice. He has no chance
                        with the primary voters - maybe a good VP choice!

                        I like Newt - but I'm sure he had a vote here or there
                        that someone hates. I know he had some personal
                        issues, but I don't think it stops him from a serious
                        run. He seems the most libertarian at this point...
                        let the FLAMES BEGIN! :-)

                        --- Dave Nalle <dave@...> wrote:

                        > I'm surprised to see Frist high in those polls.  I
                        > have more faith in this one:
                        >
                        > http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm
                        >
                        > Fox News also has a poll
                        >
                        > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188633,00.html
                        >
                        > Dave
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                      • Dave Nalle
                        Allen has certainly been polling surprisingly well, but I don t think it makes sense to count out Giuliani and McCain at this point. The primary voters will
                        Message 11 of 12 , May 3, 2006
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                          Allen has certainly been polling surprisingly well, but I don't think
                          it makes sense to count out Giuliani and McCain at this point. The
                          primary voters will be aware of how important it is to smash the
                          Democrats coming out of a troubled administration, and Giuliani
                          offers the best chance to do that.

                          As for his stands on guns and abortion, those are likely more
                          flexible than his detractors paint them. Last I checked his position
                          on guns on a nationwide basis was not anti-gun, but more
                          pro-registration, which is not exactly the same thing. He's not a gun
                          banner by any means. As for abortion, while it's a hot issue with a
                          minority of the GOP, just as in the general public, there are an
                          awful lot of people who are indifferent on the issue and won't make
                          it their first priority in picking a candidate. Plus Giuliani can
                          certainly spin his position more palatably for the pro-lifers if he
                          chooses to do so.

                          Dave
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                        • westmiller@aol.com
                          From: Jeff Palmer ... Another serious candidate who many members like is Sen. Chuck Hagel, but prospects for those with only legislative
                          Message 12 of 12 , May 3, 2006
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                            From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@...>
                            > My money's on Virginia's Dick Allen to win ...

                            Another serious candidate who many members
                            like is Sen. Chuck Hagel, but prospects for those
                            with only legislative history is pretty dismal.
                            Others who have good LI ratings, but may not
                            be acceptable to members, are Sam Brownback
                            and Rick Santorum.

                            > I believe the Draft Sanford movement went into
                            > hibernation when Sanford explicitly said he wouldn't
                            > run due to his commitment as governor.

                            Correct. The Board had authorized me to put
                            together a 'Draft Sanford' website, but the project
                            was abandoned when he clearly denied any intent
                            to abandon his gubernatorial term (maybe 2012?).
                            Note: An RLC Presidential endorsement is a
                            difficult task, since all 15 Charter states have to
                            approve the choice.

                            Bill
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