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  • t.tefft
    Greetings all, I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists, besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
    Message 1 of 27 , May 2, 2008
      Greetings all,
      I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists,
      besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
      is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst others.
      I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some information
      from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly from
      the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
      Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate child
      of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and Smiton
      Potter, Jr.

      Tim Tefft
    • Laurie4756@aol.com
      Welcome aboard Tim ! You ll find lots of helpful RI researchers here! (And if you re a Potter, our resident Potter (Donna) will surely lend a hand!) Many of us
      Message 2 of 27 , May 2, 2008
        Welcome aboard Tim ! You'll find lots of helpful RI researchers here! (And
        if you're a Potter, our resident Potter (Donna) will surely lend a hand!)
        Many of us have access to resources, will peek at records, etc. I think
        you'll like it here!
        Laurie



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      • Linda Peloquin
        I keep seeing TEFFT and I can t stand it any more so I have to ask........ What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that used to
        Message 3 of 27 , May 2, 2008
          I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

          What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

          My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

          Linda


          "t.tefft" <tefft6@...> wrote: Greetings all,
          I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists,
          besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
          is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst others.
          I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some information
          from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly from
          the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
          Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate child
          of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and Smiton
          Potter, Jr.

          Tim Tefft






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        • Donna Potter
          Hi Tim, It s good to have you on our list! Donna Potter P.S. I have some notes showing that Silas may have been the son of Smiton Potter, too, but when I
          Message 4 of 27 , May 2, 2008
            Hi Tim,
            It's good to have you on our list! Donna Potter
            P.S. I have some notes showing that Silas may have been the son of Smiton Potter, too, but when I looked at the source, it was you :)

            ---- "t.tefft" <tefft6@...> wrote:
            > Greetings all,
            > I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists,
            > besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
            > is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst others.
            > I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some information
            > from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly from
            > the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
            > Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate child
            > of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and Smiton
            > Potter, Jr.
            >
            > Tim Tefft
            >


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          • teffty
            Thanks a bunch. Likewise, I have an extensive Tefft database and several research tools available to me. Always glad to try and answer any Tefft questions that
            Message 5 of 27 , May 3, 2008
              Thanks a bunch. Likewise, I have an extensive Tefft database and several
              research tools available to me. Always glad to try and answer any Tefft
              questions that arise.



              Tim Tefft



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              Welcome aboard Tim ! You'll find lots of helpful RI researchers here! (And
              if you're a Potter, our resident Potter (Donna) will surely lend a hand!)
              Many of us have access to resources, will peek at records, etc. I think
              you'll like it here!
              Laurie

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            • teffty
              Linda, wish I could answer that question. I was not aware that a Tefft Street existed at any time in Providence. Looking at the Plat Maps of 1918 I do note a
              Message 6 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                Linda,

                wish I could answer that question. I was not aware that a Tefft Street
                existed at any time in Providence. Looking at the Plat Maps of 1918 I do
                note a Daniel Tefft had property in that area. That's a little late in the
                timeline. There were not many of our family that made their home in
                Providence, most were in South County, or they moved on westward, mainly to
                NY.

                Samuel Tefft was in Providence for a short time, probably just prior to King
                Philip's War, but I do not believe he established any permanent residence
                there. I do wonder if possibly it has something to do with Thomas Alexander
                Tefft, an architect who has a number of buildings representing his work
                still standing in RI. He died before his time at the age of 33 in 1859.



                Churches



                Second Universalist Church Weybossett Street Providence, RI

                Central Congregational Church Benefit Street Providence, RI

                St. Thomas' Episcopal Church Putnam Pike Greenville, RI

                First Baptist Church Main Street Wakefield, RI

                St. Paul's Church Main Street Wickford, RI

                South Ferry Baptist Church Old South Ferry Rd. Narragansett, RI



                Houses



                Tully Bowen House Benefit Street Providence, RI

                Menzies Sweet House 12 Arnold Street Providence, RI

                Charles Potter House 154 Waterman Street Providence, RI

                C.S. Bradley House Eaton Street North Providence, RI

                Robert Lippitt House 193 Hope Street Providence, RI

                John Carter Brown Stables Benefit Street Providence, RI



                Tim Tefft





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                From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:16 AM
                To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts, etc.



                I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

                What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

                My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

                Linda

                "t.tefft" <tefft6@... <mailto:tefft6%40gwi.net> > wrote: Greetings all,
                I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists,
                besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
                is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst others.
                I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some information
                from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly from
                the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
                Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate child
                of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and Smiton
                Potter, Jr.

                Tim Tefft





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              • Ben
                I found this about Tefft St. http://www.artinruins.com/arch/rip/seconduniversalist/# Paul Coletta I have a photograph of my grandfather (Antonio D’Amario)
                Message 7 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                  I found this about Tefft St.

                  http://www.artinruins.com/arch/rip/seconduniversalist/#

                  Paul Coletta I have a photograph of my grandfather
                  (Antonio D’Amario) standing in front of his business
                  (Antonio D’Amario Tin Smith) in about 1895 at # 30
                  Tefft St., with Anthony’s father Vincenzo and his
                  infant son James. I am told that Tefft Street was
                  replaced when Rt. 95 was built.

                  --- teffty <tefft6@...> wrote:

                  > Linda,
                  >
                  > wish I could answer that question. I was not aware
                  > that a Tefft Street
                  > existed at any time in Providence. Looking at the
                  > Plat Maps of 1918 I do
                  > note a Daniel Tefft had property in that area.
                  > That's a little late in the
                  > timeline. There were not many of our family that
                  > made their home in
                  > Providence, most were in South County, or they moved
                  > on westward, mainly to
                  > NY.
                  >
                  > Samuel Tefft was in Providence for a short time,
                  > probably just prior to King
                  > Philip's War, but I do not believe he established
                  > any permanent residence
                  > there. I do wonder if possibly it has something to
                  > do with Thomas Alexander
                  > Tefft, an architect who has a number of buildings
                  > representing his work
                  > still standing in RI. He died before his time at the
                  > age of 33 in 1859.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Churches
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Second Universalist Church Weybossett Street
                  > Providence, RI
                  >
                  > Central Congregational Church Benefit Street
                  > Providence, RI
                  >
                  > St. Thomas' Episcopal Church Putnam Pike
                  > Greenville, RI
                  >
                  > First Baptist Church Main Street Wakefield, RI
                  >
                  > St. Paul's Church Main Street Wickford, RI
                  >
                  > South Ferry Baptist Church Old South Ferry Rd.
                  > Narragansett, RI
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Houses
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Tully Bowen House Benefit Street Providence, RI
                  >
                  > Menzies Sweet House 12 Arnold Street Providence,
                  > RI
                  >
                  > Charles Potter House 154 Waterman Street
                  > Providence, RI
                  >
                  > C.S. Bradley House Eaton Street North Providence,
                  > RI
                  >
                  > Robert Lippitt House 193 Hope Street Providence, RI
                  >
                  > John Carter Brown Stables Benefit Street
                  > Providence, RI
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Tim Tefft
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > _____
                  >
                  > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                  > Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                  > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:16 AM
                  > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts,
                  > etc.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so
                  > I have to ask........
                  >
                  > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family
                  > to the Tefft St. that
                  > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal
                  > Hill?
                  >
                  > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It
                  > took me a bit to find but
                  > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft
                  > St.still exists but is
                  > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around
                  > to trying to find out
                  > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With
                  > all the roads that were
                  > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle
                  > of the 6-10 Connector.
                  >
                  > Linda
                  >
                  > "t.tefft" <tefft6@... <mailto:tefft6%40gwi.net>
                  > > wrote: Greetings all,
                  > I am finally getting around to joining these other
                  > Rhode Island lists,
                  > besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my
                  > name my main interest
                  > is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge,
                  > Barber, amongst others.
                  > I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received
                  > some information
                  > from a cousin who had found some research work down
                  > in Westerly from
                  > the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great
                  > grandfather, Silas
                  > Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an
                  > illegitimate child
                  > of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of
                  > Richmond, and Smiton
                  > Potter, Jr.
                  >
                  > Tim Tefft
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • Louisa A Bish-Faw
                  Greetings Cousin! I too am a Tefft descendant....more closely on my mother s side than my father s side but related thru both sides! I am at work right now
                  Message 8 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                    Greetings Cousin! I too am a Tefft descendant....more closely on my
                    mother's side than my father's side but related thru both sides! I
                    am at work right now so don't have my info with/on me right now!
                    There are several Potters in the lines and of course Barber is a huge
                    name! You probably have the Gardiner/Gardner connection as well. Do
                    you have the Tanner-Tefft connection info? If not I can send you
                    what I have as that is one of my Tefft Connections! Lewis - Tanner -
                    Tefft (one of my Great-Grandfather's was George Lewis...his mother or
                    grandmother was a Tanner....etc...) It was thru this connection I
                    learned of my Tefft connection and when I sent info to my dad he
                    compared it with some names he had from his mom's branches and
                    discovered that he had married his 8th cousin! How neat is that! So
                    yes, I am my own cousin!

                    Louisa Ann Bish-Faw


                    --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "t.tefft" <tefft6@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Greetings all,
                    > I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island
                    lists,
                    > besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main
                    interest
                    > is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst
                    others.
                    > I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some
                    information
                    > from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly
                    from
                    > the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
                    > Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate
                    child
                    > of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and
                    Smiton
                    > Potter, Jr.
                    >
                    > Tim Tefft
                    >
                  • Linda Peloquin
                    Hi Tim, I wonder if there is a TEFFT lurking in there somewhere that has escaped notice because it seemed that when a roadway carried a family name there was
                    Message 9 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                      Hi Tim,

                      I wonder if there is a TEFFT lurking in there somewhere that has escaped notice because it seemed that when a roadway carried a family name there was some connection to someone in the family somewhere in the past.

                      Perhaps you're right in your speculation regarding Thos. Tefft. Maybe he had a home or offices on what was then (1890's) called Tefft St. The 1895 map at Ancestry {NOW I know where I got that the present day De Pasquale Ave. used to be Tefft St.} shows only small wooden buildings the length of Tefft; nothing that would seem noteworthy enough to actually name the street Tefft after a building's architect however, if Thos. Tefft had achieved some fame/notoriety in his short lifetime as it seems he might have with the list of buildings he has to his credit and he did maintain a home or offices on that street, then that would make some sense as to why the street had been, for a period of time, named Tefft St.

                      BTW - I go by the Church in Greenville a couple of times a week. Still a Church holding regular services.

                      In searching on Ancestry in the maps section to see if I could pull up an early 20th cent. map of Federal Hill to go with the 1895 one they have, I found a couple of things...Library of Congress Photo Collection, 1840-2000 photos from 1933 of two of the houses you mentioned, Tully Bowen House & Charles Potter House. And this house which wasn't in your list Edward Pearce House, 2 Benevolent Street, Providence. the annoying thing with the descriptions provided at Ancestry is that no where in them is Tefft mentioned although somewhere Tefft has to have been mentioned since searching for "Tefft" generated these photos.

                      Official Gazetteer of RI 1932 -
                      Gates Pond, Washington Co, in Richmond 1 mi south of Tefft Hill; Genesee Brook, Washington Co, in So. Kingstown, between Tefft Hill and Gould (Not Genesee Run nor Genesee)
                      - Gould Village in So. Kingstown, Washington Co. about one-half mile southeast of Tefft Hill; Larkin Pond in so. Kingstown, Washington Co. north of Worden Pond. (Not Lake Tefft, Larkins nor Teffts)
                      - Tefft Hill altitude 461 feet in northwest Richmond, Kent Co, about 1 mile west of Beaver River.(Not Teffts, Tiffts nor Tifts)
                      - Tefft Hill altitude 255 feet in south Kingstown, Washington Co. about 1 & one-half miles northwest of Worden Pond and southwest of Kingstown
                      - Tefft: see Larkin Pond - Larkin Pond in So. Kingstown, Washington Co north of Worden Pond (Not Tefft Lake, Larkins nor Tefts)
                      - Tiffts see Tefft Hill
                      - White Horn Brook in So. Kingstown, Washington Co between Tefft Hill and Larkin Pond into Chipuxet River.

                      Do you have Ancestry? In addition to the above, some or all of which you might have, entering Teft for a search generated results that there are 75 public member photos from NY, MI, VT & IN; yearbook photos NY, MI, OH & PA and 17 hits in the Maps, Atlases & Gazetteers section including the RI Gazetteer info above.

                      Ben, I'd forgotten about the fire a couple of years ago. Art in Ruins is one of my favorite sites. My daughter and I had been in the area only 2 days before, very early on a Sunday morning...early as in just around dawn early....doing some photography for one of her BFA courses.

                      "Fire destroys restaurant A firefighter is injured in the fire and the fire chief says the building was destroyed. By Tom Mooney | Providence Journal Tuesday May 23, 2006.............. Built 1847-49, fire early May 22, 2006 Photos 2003, May 22, 23, 2006 Architect Thomas A. Tefft 151 Weybosset Street, Providence" Yes, the building is gone but there are a couple of nice photos of it before the fire and naturally the vacant lot now on the link you provided.

                      Back on Ancestry, they do have maps circa 1895 pulled from and atlas of RI.

                      From the northern side of Atwells Ave onward....Tefft St. On the southern side of Atwells Ave. it was called Arthur Ave.

                      Just for anyone who may find themselves looking at Providence, Federal Hill and specifically Tefft/Arthur/Balbo/De Pasquale street/avenue, here's a little bit of the name history from the maps & guides -

                      1895 RI Atlas - City of Providence at Ancestry: Tefft St. ran - Dean, West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, ended at Atwells. South side of Atwells Ave - Arthur Ave. ran Africa, Federal, Europe, ended at Kenyon. Across the street were two houses & lots that ran from Kenyon and fronted on Broadway and two more lots that shared the span of land between Kenyon and Broadway...one house & lot fronted on Kenyon and the other adjoining lot w/ house fronted on Broadway.

                      I don't know when the names were changed but it was neither Tefft nor De Pasquale in a 1928 pocket Providence City street guide I have. By then, the whole was called Arthur Ave. "Arthur Av, fr. Dean St. to 71 Kenyon, Ward 9. Dean, West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, Atwells Av, Africa, Federal, Europe, Kenyon."

                      The next street newest street guide I have is 1945 by which time the name appears to have been changed again to Balbo Ave - "From Dean st to 227 Broadway, wd 13" "Dean, W Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, Atwells Av, Africa, Federal, Europe, Kenyon."

                      All this and we still don't know why Tefft St. aka De Pasquale Ave. was called Tefft St. *Sigh*

                      Does anyone have Florence Parker Simister's "Streets of the City" book? Not sure if there was more than one book but maybe there is something about Tefft St. there. I used to love her radio show "Streets of the City" that generated the book.

                      Linda





                      teffty <tefft6@...> wrote: Linda,

                      wish I could answer that question. I was not aware that a Tefft Street
                      existed at any time in Providence. Looking at the Plat Maps of 1918 I do
                      note a Daniel Tefft had property in that area. That's a little late in the
                      timeline. There were not many of our family that made their home in
                      Providence, most were in South County, or they moved on westward, mainly to
                      NY.

                      Samuel Tefft was in Providence for a short time, probably just prior to King
                      Philip's War, but I do not believe he established any permanent residence
                      there. I do wonder if possibly it has something to do with Thomas Alexander
                      Tefft, an architect who has a number of buildings representing his work
                      still standing in RI. He died before his time at the age of 33 in 1859.

                      Churches

                      Second Universalist Church Weybossett Street Providence, RI

                      Central Congregational Church Benefit Street Providence, RI

                      St. Thomas' Episcopal Church Putnam Pike Greenville, RI

                      First Baptist Church Main Street Wakefield, RI

                      St. Paul's Church Main Street Wickford, RI

                      South Ferry Baptist Church Old South Ferry Rd. Narragansett, RI

                      Houses

                      Tully Bowen House Benefit Street Providence, RI

                      Menzies Sweet House 12 Arnold Street Providence, RI

                      Charles Potter House 154 Waterman Street Providence, RI

                      C.S. Bradley House Eaton Street North Providence, RI

                      Robert Lippitt House 193 Hope Street Providence, RI

                      John Carter Brown Stables Benefit Street Providence, RI

                      Tim Tefft

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                      From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                      Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:16 AM
                      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts, etc.

                      I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

                      What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                      used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

                      My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                      I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                      now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                      just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                      built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

                      Linda

                      "t.tefft" <tefft6@... <mailto:tefft6%40gwi.net> > wrote: Greetings all,
                      I am finally getting around to joining these other Rhode Island lists,
                      besides the one on Rootsweb. As you can see by my name my main interest
                      is the Teffts. I am also a Kenyon, Lillibridge, Barber, amongst others.
                      I may also be a Potter. Several years ago I received some information
                      from a cousin who had found some research work down in Westerly from
                      the early 1900's. It indicated that my 3rd great grandfather, Silas
                      Tefft, who resided in Hopkinton and Richmond, was an illegitimate child
                      of Esther Tefft, daughter of Judge Thomas Tefft of Richmond, and Smiton
                      Potter, Jr.

                      Tim Tefft

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                    • Lisa Lepore
                      I thought I would take a stab at this, but it s a bigger problem than I thought at first, and I don t have an answer yet..... According to the 1899 providence
                      Message 10 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                        I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                        thought
                        at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....

                        According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                        Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                        It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                        Dean

                        The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                        if it continued
                        on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                        This is
                        probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                        looks like anything
                        that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.

                        If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                        According to the
                        1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                        Spruce went
                        from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.

                        Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                        DePasquale is the
                        street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                        161 Tefft,
                        so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.

                        The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                        there is NO
                        Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                        something
                        else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                        There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.

                        I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                        but I've got to
                        go out for a while.

                        Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?

                        Lisa



                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Linda Peloquin

                        I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

                        What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                        used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

                        My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                        I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                        now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                        just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                        built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

                        Linda
                      • Sheila
                        I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two names
                        Message 11 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                          I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                          remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                          names for the street at one time.
                          Sheila


                          On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                          > thought
                          > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                          >
                          > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                          > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                          > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                          > Dean
                          >
                          > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                          > if it continued
                          > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                          > This is
                          > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                          > looks like anything
                          > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                          >
                          > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                          > According to the
                          > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                          > Spruce went
                          > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                          >
                          > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                          > DePasquale is the
                          > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                          > 161 Tefft,
                          > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                          >
                          > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                          > there is NO
                          > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                          > something
                          > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                          > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                          >
                          > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                          > but I've got to
                          > go out for a while.
                          >
                          > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                          >
                          > Lisa
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Linda Peloquin
                          >
                          > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                          >
                          > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                          > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                          >
                          > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                          > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                          > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                          > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                          > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                          >
                          > Linda
                          >
                          >
                          >




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                        • Sheila
                          It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only one shows the name of the street. Sheila http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                          Message 12 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                            It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                            one shows the name of the street.
                            Sheila
                            http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                            http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd


                            On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                            > thought
                            > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                            >
                            > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                            > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                            > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                            > Dean
                            >
                            > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                            > if it continued
                            > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                            > This is
                            > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                            > looks like anything
                            > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                            >
                            > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                            > According to the
                            > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                            > Spruce went
                            > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                            >
                            > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                            > DePasquale is the
                            > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                            > 161 Tefft,
                            > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                            >
                            > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                            > there is NO
                            > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                            > something
                            > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                            > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                            >
                            > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                            > but I've got to
                            > go out for a while.
                            >
                            > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                            >
                            > Lisa
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Linda Peloquin
                            >
                            > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                            >
                            > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                            > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                            >
                            > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                            > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                            > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                            > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                            > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                            >
                            > Linda
                            >
                            >
                            >




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                          • Lisa Lepore
                            I was thinking the same about Arthur. I have a couple of places I can look at when I get home. But if that s the case, the houses were all renumbered
                            Message 13 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                              I was thinking the same about Arthur. I have a couple of places
                              I can look at when I get home. But if that 's the case, the houses
                              were all renumbered because Arthur doesn't match Tefft.

                              Lisa

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Sheila

                              I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                              remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                              names for the street at one time.
                              Sheila
                            • Sheila
                              I knew I had read it somewhere recently... I found this on PROJO in March. You can check out the article but here is part of it.. ³We would venture down De
                              Message 14 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                I knew I had read it somewhere recently...
                                I found this on PROJO in March. You can check out the article but here is
                                part of it..

                                ³We would venture down De Pasquale Avenue (formerly Arthur Avenue and Balboa
                                Avenue) over the ³erector² type steel bridge, which spanned a bevy of
                                railroad lines, onto two enormous cobblestone ramps, which descended down to
                                Harris Avenue and the terminal.²

                                http://tinyurl.com/44o8v9

                                Sheila

                                On 5/3/08 3:07 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I was thinking the same about Arthur. I have a couple of places
                                > I can look at when I get home. But if that 's the case, the houses
                                > were all renumbered because Arthur doesn't match Tefft.
                                >
                                > Lisa
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Sheila
                                >
                                > I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                                > remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                                > names for the street at one time.
                                > Sheila
                                >
                                >
                                >




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                              • Linda Peloquin
                                Lisa, Thanks for all the hard work. I took a stab at it earlier in my reply to Tim. I had the 1895 map of Providence I was looking at on Ancestry and you ve
                                Message 15 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                  Lisa,

                                  Thanks for all the hard work.

                                  I took a stab at it earlier in my reply to Tim. I had the 1895 map of Providence I was looking at on Ancestry and you've gotten to 1899 so that narrows down by a few years when the street name was changed. I have a 1928 and a 1945 street directory and traced out the name history of subsequent street name changes from those and memory.

                                  BUT....I still don't know the genesis of why the street was named TEFFT ST. in the first place.

                                  To recap.....

                                  1895-1899...from it's start at Dean St. to it's end at Atwell's, the road is named TEFFT St. It crossed West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce and Trainor. On the other side of Atwell's, the road continued on to Kenyon St. and bore the name of Arthur Ave.

                                  1899 - 1928.....Somewhere in here, the entire road, from Dean St. to Kenyon St. takes on the name Arthur Ave. At that point in history, it begins at Dean St. and crosses West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, Atwells, Africa, Federal, Europe and ends at Kenyon St.

                                  1928 - 1945........A block of land sandwiched between Kenyon St. & Broadway Ave. which contained 4 lots and buildings is removed and turned into road.
                                  AND, the road formerly known as Tefft & Arthur, then entirely as Arthur gets another new name...Balbo Ave.

                                  1945 - abt. 1960.........At the end of WW II, both my parents having been discharged from the Army and newlywed return to Dad's family's homes on Federal Hill. We lived on The Hill until the summer of 1960 when we were forced by the construction of what was then referred to as the "North-South Freeway" to leave one of the two homes...triple deckers actually....that my Grandfather had bought to provide homes for his family.

                                  As of our leaving from The Hill, my Mom still remembers the road as Balbo Ave. I remember the push carts piled with fruits and vegetables, the fish vendor with the swayback horse pulling his cart, the coin-op horse with the real leather bridle w/bit and real saddle in front of the 5 & 10¢ store at the corner of Atwells and Balbo (now Costantino's Venda Ravioli), the live chickens and rabbits in the cages at Antonelli's Poultry....talk about fresh, eh??(also still on DePasquale but not in the original place)....the big salt cods hanging in the window of another of the stores and lining up early in the morning at the bakery across the other side of Balbo opposite the 5 & 10¢ in order to get the fresh bread as soon as it came out of the ovens and the bakery opened before they ran out.

                                  1959 - now....Several changes occurred during these years. The 6-10 Connector, which, in the Federal Hill area, follows approximately the path of the old West Exchange St. was built. This wiped out the western stretch of West Exchange St along with the western end of Cedar and the northern end of Tefft/Arthur/Balbo from Dean to Spruce.

                                  Lisa you nailed it when you said that the interchange replaced the ends of Cedar and Tefft/Arthur/Balbo...it's the off/on ramps to/from Dean St.

                                  Somewhere in that span of time from 1959 to now, the road was again renamed to the present name of DePasquale Ave.

                                  AND the end of DePasquale from Atwells to Spruce, which was always very wide, was turned into a plaza complete with fountain, trees, some outdoor dining, fancy retro street lighting, nice park benches and the requisite rock doves aka pigeons although "rock dove" does sound a bit more high class, don't you think?

                                  #22 Tefft St. - Well, I hadn't really looked into just where #22 was until today's discussion. The book accompanying the DVD "Italian Americans and Federal Hill" has sections of old plat maps for Federal Hill reproduced in it. I had looked at the but I really hadn't LOOKED at them, if you know what I mean. the map on page 55 shows DePasquale Plaza as it was in 1908. Yup...you guessed it. #22 was on the wrong side of Spruce St. and is now just a memory. #22 was just to the north (6-10 Connector side) of Cedar and in 1908 according to the plat map reproduced in the book, was owned by Mary C. McMurrough lot #7035.

                                  Possibly what some don't know is that before Federal Hill was Italian, it was Irish. This map still displays quite a few Irish names for property owners. the Irish & Italian kids didn't always get along but unlike today where that quite often = gun/knife violence, back then apparently the worst that happened was rock throwing and an occasional fist or two. One of my Dad's brothers was known throughout life as "Stone" because he was a rock magnet. If an Irish kid threw a darn rock, my Uncle always seemed to be the one kid in the crowd of Italian kids who'd get beaned with the thing.

                                  One question still remains...Why the heck was the street named TEFFT St. back in the 1890's? Maybe as Tim mentioned, it had something to do with the architect Thomas Tefft.

                                  Linda



                                  Lisa Lepore <llepore@...> wrote: I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                  thought
                                  at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....

                                  According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                  Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                  It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                  Dean

                                  The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                  if it continued
                                  on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                  This is
                                  probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                  looks like anything
                                  that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.

                                  If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                  According to the
                                  1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                  Spruce went
                                  from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.

                                  Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                  DePasquale is the
                                  street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                  161 Tefft,
                                  so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.

                                  The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                  there is NO
                                  Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                  something
                                  else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                  There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.

                                  I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                  but I've got to
                                  go out for a while.

                                  Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?

                                  Lisa

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Linda Peloquin

                                  I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

                                  What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                  used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

                                  My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                  I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                  now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                  just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                  built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

                                  Linda






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                                • Linda Peloquin
                                  Yes, you ve got it..see my answers to Lisa and Tim. Linda Sheila wrote: I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue
                                  Message 16 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                    Yes, you've got it..see my answers to Lisa and Tim.

                                    Linda

                                    Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                                    remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                                    names for the street at one time.
                                    Sheila

                                    On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                    > thought
                                    > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                    >
                                    > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                    > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                    > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                    > Dean
                                    >
                                    > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                    > if it continued
                                    > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                    > This is
                                    > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                    > looks like anything
                                    > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                    >
                                    > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                    > According to the
                                    > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                    > Spruce went
                                    > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                    >
                                    > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                    > DePasquale is the
                                    > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                    > 161 Tefft,
                                    > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                    >
                                    > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                    > there is NO
                                    > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                    > something
                                    > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                    > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                    >
                                    > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                    > but I've got to
                                    > go out for a while.
                                    >
                                    > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                    >
                                    > Lisa
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Linda Peloquin
                                    >
                                    > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                    >
                                    > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                    > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                    >
                                    > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                    > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                    > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                    > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                    > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                    >
                                    > Linda
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >

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                                  • Sheila
                                    Linda, You can see the links to the 1918 maps in my earlier message. Sheila
                                    Message 17 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                      Linda,
                                      You can see the links to the 1918 maps in my earlier message.
                                      Sheila


                                      On 5/3/08 5:13 PM, "Linda Peloquin" <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:

                                      > Yes, you've got it..see my answers to Lisa and Tim.
                                      >
                                      > Linda
                                      >
                                      > Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: I think De
                                      > Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                                      > remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                                      > names for the street at one time.
                                      > Sheila
                                      >
                                      > On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                      >> thought
                                      >> at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                      >>
                                      >> According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                      >> Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                      >> It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                      >> Dean
                                      >>
                                      >> The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                      >> if it continued
                                      >> on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                      >> This is
                                      >> probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                      >> looks like anything
                                      >> that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                      >>
                                      >> If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                      >> According to the
                                      >> 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                      >> Spruce went
                                      >> from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                      >>
                                      >> Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                      >> DePasquale is the
                                      >> street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                      >> 161 Tefft,
                                      >> so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                      >>
                                      >> The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                      >> there is NO
                                      >> Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                      >> something
                                      >> else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                      >> There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                      >>
                                      >> I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                      >> but I've got to
                                      >> go out for a while.
                                      >>
                                      >> Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                      >>
                                      >> Lisa
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> From: Linda Peloquin
                                      >>
                                      >> I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                      >>
                                      >> What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                      >> used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                      >>
                                      >> My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                      >> I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                      >> now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                      >> just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                      >> built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                      >>
                                      >> Linda
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >
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                                    • Linda Peloquin
                                      Thanks for the links. I LOVE old maps!! I have the images from the 1895 maps at Ancestry but didn t have these more recent ones. Check out the corner of
                                      Message 18 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                        Thanks for the links. I LOVE old maps!! I have the images from the 1895 maps at Ancestry but didn't have these more recent ones.

                                        Check out the corner of America and Africa Sts. TWO primary schools back to back! Imagine how many kids there must have been in the area to necessitate TWO schools like that!! My Grandparents "helped" in part....14 kids...12 of which survived to adulthood!

                                        Linda

                                        Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                        one shows the name of the street.
                                        Sheila
                                        http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                        http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd

                                        On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                        > thought
                                        > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                        >
                                        > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                        > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                        > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                        > Dean
                                        >
                                        > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                        > if it continued
                                        > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                        > This is
                                        > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                        > looks like anything
                                        > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                        >
                                        > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                        > According to the
                                        > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                        > Spruce went
                                        > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                        >
                                        > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                        > DePasquale is the
                                        > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                        > 161 Tefft,
                                        > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                        >
                                        > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                        > there is NO
                                        > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                        > something
                                        > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                        > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                        >
                                        > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                        > but I've got to
                                        > go out for a while.
                                        >
                                        > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                        >
                                        > Lisa
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: Linda Peloquin
                                        >
                                        > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                        >
                                        > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                        > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                        >
                                        > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                        > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                        > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                        > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                        > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                        >
                                        > Linda
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >

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                                      • Linda Peloquin
                                        Sheila, If you go to this link (I ll be darned if I know how you got the shorter link addy)
                                        Message 19 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                          Sheila,
                                          If you go to this link (I'll be darned if I know how you got the shorter link addy)
                                          http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/maps/1918prov/1918Providence04-2b.jpg

                                          - on Atwells and look at the next street to the left of Bourn, it will be Tower St. The "top" end of Tower, lots 3878 J. Fornaro & 3628 F. Fornari - those were the houses/ triple deckers my Grandparents owned.

                                          Tower wasn't actually a through street...maybe it had been platted/planned to go through at some time in the future but in may day, just past the two houses, the road was blocked off with a 8' plank fence which we maintained aka were responsible for painting periodically. The other side (down slope) of the fence was all weedy and there was marijuana mixed in...I still have a picture somewhere that my Mom took of the "loco weed".

                                          The land dropped straight off and the ends of both yards where held up by high retaining walls. The house to the right, # 14 Tower, had the yard proper with the grass, hammock, huge shade tree and the yard to the left at # 15 Tower was the gardens where we grew tomatoes, salad greens, peppers, cukes, zucchini, eggplants, onions, potatoes, peas, string beans and shell beans....along the fence that separated the yards from the overgrown/unused end of Tower St. and across the back were the grape arbors that were covered with Concord grape vines. My Mom used to make jelly from the excess that we didn't manage to eat in season. We lived on the top floor at 15 and had a wonderful view...you could look out over the industrial buildings and rr tracks which were much lower at the State House, RI Normal School, the various mills, the late lamented wholesale fruit & vegetable building and the old Brown & Sharp complex all on Promanade/Kinsley Aves.

                                          The lot on the corner of Tower and Atwells - MAE Huestis, was in my day, the warehouse for Raymond Patriaca's vending machine business aka legitimate cover business. The little old Italian men used to smoke their Parodi's and play boccie at Franklin Park just up Atwells from our street. Those damn Parodi's were the worst smelling things you never want to encounter...on a par with the septic tank when it's getting pumped out. *Pe-euew*

                                          Linda



                                          Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                          one shows the name of the street.
                                          Sheila
                                          http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                          http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd

                                          On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                          > thought
                                          > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                          >
                                          > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                          > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                          > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                          > Dean
                                          >
                                          > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                          > if it continued
                                          > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                          > This is
                                          > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                          > looks like anything
                                          > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                          >
                                          > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                          > According to the
                                          > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                          > Spruce went
                                          > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                          >
                                          > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                          > DePasquale is the
                                          > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                          > 161 Tefft,
                                          > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                          >
                                          > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                          > there is NO
                                          > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                          > something
                                          > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                          > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                          >
                                          > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                          > but I've got to
                                          > go out for a while.
                                          >
                                          > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                          >
                                          > Lisa
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Linda Peloquin
                                          >
                                          > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                          >
                                          > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                          > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                          >
                                          > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                          > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                          > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                          > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                          > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                          >
                                          > Linda
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >

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                                          I used to wonder how Sheila done the short link thingy, about the time I was ready to ask her it dawned on me, the answer is right there in the links she
                                          Message 20 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                            I used to wonder how Sheila done the short link thingy, about the time I was ready to ask her it dawned on me, the answer is right there in the links she creates, I find it very useful

                                            Arlan

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Linda Peloquin
                                            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:29 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts, etc. - Sheila


                                            Sheila,
                                            If you go to this link (I'll be darned if I know how you got the shorter link addy)
                                            http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/maps/1918prov/1918Providence04-2b.jpg

                                            - on Atwells and look at the next street to the left of Bourn, it will be Tower St. The "top" end of Tower, lots 3878 J. Fornaro & 3628 F. Fornari - those were the houses/ triple deckers my Grandparents owned.

                                            Tower wasn't actually a through street...maybe it had been platted/planned to go through at some time in the future but in may day, just past the two houses, the road was blocked off with a 8' plank fence which we maintained aka were responsible for painting periodically. The other side (down slope) of the fence was all weedy and there was marijuana mixed in...I still have a picture somewhere that my Mom took of the "loco weed".

                                            The land dropped straight off and the ends of both yards where held up by high retaining walls. The house to the right, # 14 Tower, had the yard proper with the grass, hammock, huge shade tree and the yard to the left at # 15 Tower was the gardens where we grew tomatoes, salad greens, peppers, cukes, zucchini, eggplants, onions, potatoes, peas, string beans and shell beans....along the fence that separated the yards from the overgrown/unused end of Tower St. and across the back were the grape arbors that were covered with Concord grape vines. My Mom used to make jelly from the excess that we didn't manage to eat in season. We lived on the top floor at 15 and had a wonderful view...you could look out over the industrial buildings and rr tracks which were much lower at the State House, RI Normal School, the various mills, the late lamented wholesale fruit & vegetable building and the old Brown & Sharp complex all on Promanade/Kinsley Aves.

                                            The lot on the corner of Tower and Atwells - MAE Huestis, was in my day, the warehouse for Raymond Patriaca's vending machine business aka legitimate cover business. The little old Italian men used to smoke their Parodi's and play boccie at Franklin Park just up Atwells from our street. Those damn Parodi's were the worst smelling things you never want to encounter...on a par with the septic tank when it's getting pumped out. *Pe-euew*

                                            Linda

                                            Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                            one shows the name of the street.
                                            Sheila
                                            http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                            http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd

                                            On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                            > thought
                                            > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                            >
                                            > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                            > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                            > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                            > Dean
                                            >
                                            > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                            > if it continued
                                            > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                            > This is
                                            > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                            > looks like anything
                                            > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                            >
                                            > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                            > According to the
                                            > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                            > Spruce went
                                            > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                            >
                                            > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                            > DePasquale is the
                                            > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                            > 161 Tefft,
                                            > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                            >
                                            > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                            > there is NO
                                            > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                            > something
                                            > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                            > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                            >
                                            > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                            > but I've got to
                                            > go out for a while.
                                            >
                                            > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                            >
                                            > Lisa
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Linda Peloquin
                                            >
                                            > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                            >
                                            > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                            > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                            >
                                            > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                            > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                            > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                            > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                            > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                            >
                                            > Linda
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >

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                                          • Sheila
                                            Hi Linda, First of all, here is the site to shorten links! Just copy and paste and enter and it gives you the new one!! http://tinyurl.com/ Wow, isn t that
                                            Message 21 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                              Hi Linda,

                                              First of all, here is the site to shorten links! Just copy and paste and
                                              enter and it gives you the new one!! http://tinyurl.com/

                                              Wow, isn't that 1918 map great!! How great it must have been to grow up
                                              there. Remember the houses on Broadway that were like mansions?

                                              My mom and her family lived in Westerly and my grandmother had lots of
                                              friends living on the Hill. They'd take the train and come to spend the
                                              weekend! The friends from the Hill would do the same and visit Westerly.
                                              They were all from the same town in Ischia, Italy and some settled in
                                              Westerly and some in Providence. My mom used to love to visit and she even
                                              made her confirmation there and not in her own parish in Westerly as the
                                              local priest wasn't going to allow individual sponsors so my grandmother
                                              wasn't going to hear of that!

                                              I do remember things were a little crazy when I was a teen and we'd see
                                              someone had just gotten killed there!

                                              Federal Hill was mostly Irish American's until the around 1890s when the
                                              Italians started moving in to town! By the 1920s, I am sure they out
                                              numbered the Irish and everyone else!

                                              Sheila





                                              On 5/3/08 6:29 PM, "Linda Peloquin" <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:

                                              > Sheila,
                                              > If you go to this link (I'll be darned if I know how you got the shorter link
                                              > addy)
                                              > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/maps/1918prov/1918Providence04-2b.j
                                              > pg
                                              >
                                              > - on Atwells and look at the next street to the left of Bourn, it will be
                                              > Tower St. The "top" end of Tower, lots 3878 J. Fornaro & 3628 F. Fornari -
                                              > those were the houses/ triple deckers my Grandparents owned.
                                              >
                                              > Tower wasn't actually a through street...maybe it had been platted/planned to
                                              > go through at some time in the future but in may day, just past the two
                                              > houses, the road was blocked off with a 8' plank fence which we maintained aka
                                              > were responsible for painting periodically. The other side (down slope) of
                                              > the fence was all weedy and there was marijuana mixed in...I still have a
                                              > picture somewhere that my Mom took of the "loco weed".
                                              >
                                              > The land dropped straight off and the ends of both yards where held up by high
                                              > retaining walls. The house to the right, # 14 Tower, had the yard proper
                                              > with the grass, hammock, huge shade tree and the yard to the left at # 15
                                              > Tower was the gardens where we grew tomatoes, salad greens, peppers, cukes,
                                              > zucchini, eggplants, onions, potatoes, peas, string beans and shell
                                              > beans....along the fence that separated the yards from the overgrown/unused
                                              > end of Tower St. and across the back were the grape arbors that were covered
                                              > with Concord grape vines. My Mom used to make jelly from the excess that we
                                              > didn't manage to eat in season. We lived on the top floor at 15 and had a
                                              > wonderful view...you could look out over the industrial buildings and rr
                                              > tracks which were much lower at the State House, RI Normal School, the various
                                              > mills, the late lamented wholesale fruit & vegetable building and the old
                                              > Brown & Sharp complex all on Promanade/Kinsley Aves.
                                              >
                                              > The lot on the corner of Tower and Atwells - MAE Huestis, was in my day, the
                                              > warehouse for Raymond Patriaca's vending machine business aka legitimate cover
                                              > business. The little old Italian men used to smoke their Parodi's and play
                                              > boccie at Franklin Park just up Atwells from our street. Those damn Parodi's
                                              > were the worst smelling things you never want to encounter...on a par with the
                                              > septic tank when it's getting pumped out. *Pe-euew*
                                              >
                                              > Linda
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely
                                              > Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                              > one shows the name of the street.
                                              > Sheila
                                              > http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                              > http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd
                                              >
                                              > On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >> I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                              >> thought
                                              >> at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                              >>
                                              >> According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                              >> Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                              >> It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                              >> Dean
                                              >>
                                              >> The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                              >> if it continued
                                              >> on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                              >> This is
                                              >> probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                              >> looks like anything
                                              >> that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                              >>
                                              >> If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                              >> According to the
                                              >> 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                              >> Spruce went
                                              >> from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                              >>
                                              >> Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                              >> DePasquale is the
                                              >> street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                              >> 161 Tefft,
                                              >> so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                              >>
                                              >> The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                              >> there is NO
                                              >> Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                              >> something
                                              >> else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                              >> There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                              >>
                                              >> I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                              >> but I've got to
                                              >> go out for a while.
                                              >>
                                              >> Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                              >>
                                              >> Lisa
                                              >>
                                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                                              >> From: Linda Peloquin
                                              >>
                                              >> I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                              >>
                                              >> What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                              >> used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                              >>
                                              >> My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                              >> I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                              >> now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                              >> just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                              >> built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                              >>
                                              >> Linda
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >
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                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
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                                            • Sheila
                                              Ask and ye shall receive..... http://tinyurl.com/
                                              Message 22 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                                Ask and ye shall receive.....
                                                http://tinyurl.com/


                                                On 5/3/08 6:45 PM, "Arlan Maguire" <agmaguire@...> wrote:

                                                > I used to wonder how Sheila done the short link thingy, about the time I was
                                                > ready to ask her it dawned on me, the answer is right there in the links she
                                                > creates, I find it very useful
                                                >
                                                > Arlan
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: Linda Peloquin
                                                > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:29 PM
                                                > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts, etc. - Sheila
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Sheila,
                                                > If you go to this link (I'll be darned if I know how you got the shorter
                                                > link addy)
                                                >
                                                > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/maps/1918prov/1918Providence04-2b.j
                                                > pg
                                                >
                                                > - on Atwells and look at the next street to the left of Bourn, it will be
                                                > Tower St. The "top" end of Tower, lots 3878 J. Fornaro & 3628 F. Fornari -
                                                > those were the houses/ triple deckers my Grandparents owned.
                                                >
                                                > Tower wasn't actually a through street...maybe it had been platted/planned
                                                > to go through at some time in the future but in may day, just past the two
                                                > houses, the road was blocked off with a 8' plank fence which we maintained aka
                                                > were responsible for painting periodically. The other side (down slope) of the
                                                > fence was all weedy and there was marijuana mixed in...I still have a picture
                                                > somewhere that my Mom took of the "loco weed".
                                                >
                                                > The land dropped straight off and the ends of both yards where held up by
                                                > high retaining walls. The house to the right, # 14 Tower, had the yard proper
                                                > with the grass, hammock, huge shade tree and the yard to the left at # 15
                                                > Tower was the gardens where we grew tomatoes, salad greens, peppers, cukes,
                                                > zucchini, eggplants, onions, potatoes, peas, string beans and shell
                                                > beans....along the fence that separated the yards from the overgrown/unused
                                                > end of Tower St. and across the back were the grape arbors that were covered
                                                > with Concord grape vines. My Mom used to make jelly from the excess that we
                                                > didn't manage to eat in season. We lived on the top floor at 15 and had a
                                                > wonderful view...you could look out over the industrial buildings and rr
                                                > tracks which were much lower at the State House, RI Normal School, the various
                                                > mills, the late lamented wholesale fruit & vegetable building and the old
                                                > Brown & Sharp complex all on Promanade/Kinsley Aves.
                                                >
                                                > The lot on the corner of Tower and Atwells - MAE Huestis, was in my day, the
                                                > warehouse for Raymond Patriaca's vending machine business aka legitimate cover
                                                > business. The little old Italian men used to smoke their Parodi's and play
                                                > boccie at Franklin Park just up Atwells from our street. Those damn Parodi's
                                                > were the worst smelling things you never want to encounter...on a par with the
                                                > septic tank when it's getting pumped out. *Pe-euew*
                                                >
                                                > Linda
                                                >
                                                > Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It
                                                > am posting links to both as only
                                                > one shows the name of the street.
                                                > Sheila
                                                > http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                                > http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd
                                                >
                                                > On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                                >> thought
                                                >> at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                                >>
                                                >> According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                                >> Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                                >> It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                                >> Dean
                                                >>
                                                >> The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                                >> if it continued
                                                >> on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                                >> This is
                                                >> probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                                >> looks like anything
                                                >> that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                                >>
                                                >> If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                                >> According to the
                                                >> 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                                >> Spruce went
                                                >> from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                                >>
                                                >> Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                                >> DePasquale is the
                                                >> street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                                >> 161 Tefft,
                                                >> so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                                >>
                                                >> The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                                >> there is NO
                                                >> Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                                >> something
                                                >> else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                                >> There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                                >>
                                                >> I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                                >> but I've got to
                                                >> go out for a while.
                                                >>
                                                >> Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                                >>
                                                >> Lisa
                                                >>
                                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                >> From: Linda Peloquin
                                                >>
                                                >> I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                                >>
                                                >> What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                                >> used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                                >>
                                                >> My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                                >> I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                                >> now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                                >> just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                                >> built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                                >>
                                                >> Linda
                                                >>
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                                              • Linda Peloquin
                                                Thanks for the article...I really feel like crying at the loss...I haven t gone by there since the demolition was announced and screaming in frustration at it
                                                Message 23 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                                  Thanks for the article...I really feel like crying at the loss...I haven't gone by there since the demolition was announced and screaming in frustration at it all !!

                                                  Why is it other parts of the US and in Europe value, preserve & adapt to modern uses their venerable old historic structures but we here in RI ALWAYS seem to have to DESTROY!! and then the vacant land either becomes a dump/eyesore, parking lot or some ticky-tacky, architectually ugly, generic styled building is erected??? England has some very strict national laws that protect historic structures. Our friend's in-laws had these really great storm windows which were actually on the interior of the house because to put anything of the sort on the exterior would have changed the appearance of the leaded, diamond pane glass windows on their home...a 17th century Flemish weavers' cottage...or maybe it was 16th century...whatever, it was a damn sight older than anything here in the States!

                                                  Hmmm...I suppose this thread is more for the Fun List maybe?? since I'm veering off from genealogy a bit.

                                                  Linda

                                                  Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: I knew I had read it somewhere recently...
                                                  I found this on PROJO in March. You can check out the article but here is
                                                  part of it..

                                                  ³We would venture down De Pasquale Avenue (formerly Arthur Avenue and Balboa
                                                  Avenue) over the ³erector² type steel bridge, which spanned a bevy of
                                                  railroad lines, onto two enormous cobblestone ramps, which descended down to
                                                  Harris Avenue and the terminal.²

                                                  http://tinyurl.com/44o8v9

                                                  Sheila

                                                  On 5/3/08 3:07 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:

                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > I was thinking the same about Arthur. I have a couple of places
                                                  > I can look at when I get home. But if that 's the case, the houses
                                                  > were all renumbered because Arthur doesn't match Tefft.
                                                  >
                                                  > Lisa
                                                  >
                                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > From: Sheila
                                                  >
                                                  > I think De Pasquale was Arthur Avenue and Balboa Avenue. I am not sure why I
                                                  > remember that and will have to check it out. But, I do think there were two
                                                  > names for the street at one time.
                                                  > Sheila
                                                  >
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                                                • Linda Peloquin
                                                  Hi Shelia, Ah-ha...so that s how you do it!! I m going to have to give it a try. I m one of those computer challenged types. I swear my computer is out to
                                                  Message 24 of 27 , May 3, 2008
                                                    Hi Shelia,

                                                    Ah-ha...so that's how you do it!! I'm going to have to give it a try. I'm one of those computer challenged types. I swear my computer is out to get me sometimes!!

                                                    My Grandparents had to be "different" ! It seems when I look at Knightsville that nearly the entire comune of Itri relocated to Knightsville except my Grandparents and my Grandfather's brother, Benedetto. THEY had to be different and settle on The Hill !

                                                    I loved growing up for part of my childhood anyway, on The Hill. for years, we went back every week to shop for our food until our butcher retired and the stores all started to get gentrified. I doubt any of the old timers, were they to come back now, would recognize a lot of the places and especially not the prices on the Italian foods!

                                                    Unfortunately, there's bad with good. There was the "Family" business that often meant a body or two but it seemed to be limited to those in the business. Not that I'm condoning it but women, children and civilians were left out of it. and on the good side, Msgr. Cavallaro would give Raymond a list of families that were in need and he would see to it that food, coal or whatever was delivered and peoples' needs taken care of without the need for payback like in the "Godfather" when the undertaker or whoever the character was makes his request of the Godfather during the wedding at the beginning of the movie.

                                                    I take Broadway a lot...it's how I go to my vet's...City Kitty over in the old Imperial Knife complex. I love the houses along there. Imagine having a family big enough to live in one of those and the income to support it then or now ! Plenty of those old mansion houses are nicely rehabbed now and others are being worked on. My Aunt Jean had family that lived in the brick place with the Spanish type tile roof. It's on your left as you're heading in towards Providence. I always did and still do think it looks out of place on Broadway.

                                                    Linda

                                                    Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: Hi Linda,

                                                    First of all, here is the site to shorten links! Just copy and paste and
                                                    enter and it gives you the new one!! http://tinyurl.com/

                                                    Wow, isn't that 1918 map great!! How great it must have been to grow up
                                                    there. Remember the houses on Broadway that were like mansions?

                                                    My mom and her family lived in Westerly and my grandmother had lots of
                                                    friends living on the Hill. They'd take the train and come to spend the
                                                    weekend! The friends from the Hill would do the same and visit Westerly.
                                                    They were all from the same town in Ischia, Italy and some settled in
                                                    Westerly and some in Providence. My mom used to love to visit and she even
                                                    made her confirmation there and not in her own parish in Westerly as the
                                                    local priest wasn't going to allow individual sponsors so my grandmother
                                                    wasn't going to hear of that!

                                                    I do remember things were a little crazy when I was a teen and we'd see
                                                    someone had just gotten killed there!

                                                    Federal Hill was mostly Irish American's until the around 1890s when the
                                                    Italians started moving in to town! By the 1920s, I am sure they out
                                                    numbered the Irish and everyone else!

                                                    Sheila

                                                    On 5/3/08 6:29 PM, "Linda Peloquin" <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:

                                                    > Sheila,
                                                    > If you go to this link (I'll be darned if I know how you got the shorter link
                                                    > addy)
                                                    > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/maps/1918prov/1918Providence04-2b.j
                                                    > pg
                                                    >
                                                    > - on Atwells and look at the next street to the left of Bourn, it will be
                                                    > Tower St. The "top" end of Tower, lots 3878 J. Fornaro & 3628 F. Fornari -
                                                    > those were the houses/ triple deckers my Grandparents owned.
                                                    >
                                                    > Tower wasn't actually a through street...maybe it had been platted/planned to
                                                    > go through at some time in the future but in may day, just past the two
                                                    > houses, the road was blocked off with a 8' plank fence which we maintained aka
                                                    > were responsible for painting periodically. The other side (down slope) of
                                                    > the fence was all weedy and there was marijuana mixed in...I still have a
                                                    > picture somewhere that my Mom took of the "loco weed".
                                                    >
                                                    > The land dropped straight off and the ends of both yards where held up by high
                                                    > retaining walls. The house to the right, # 14 Tower, had the yard proper
                                                    > with the grass, hammock, huge shade tree and the yard to the left at # 15
                                                    > Tower was the gardens where we grew tomatoes, salad greens, peppers, cukes,
                                                    > zucchini, eggplants, onions, potatoes, peas, string beans and shell
                                                    > beans....along the fence that separated the yards from the overgrown/unused
                                                    > end of Tower St. and across the back were the grape arbors that were covered
                                                    > with Concord grape vines. My Mom used to make jelly from the excess that we
                                                    > didn't manage to eat in season. We lived on the top floor at 15 and had a
                                                    > wonderful view...you could look out over the industrial buildings and rr
                                                    > tracks which were much lower at the State House, RI Normal School, the various
                                                    > mills, the late lamented wholesale fruit & vegetable building and the old
                                                    > Brown & Sharp complex all on Promanade/Kinsley Aves.
                                                    >
                                                    > The lot on the corner of Tower and Atwells - MAE Huestis, was in my day, the
                                                    > warehouse for Raymond Patriaca's vending machine business aka legitimate cover
                                                    > business. The little old Italian men used to smoke their Parodi's and play
                                                    > boccie at Franklin Park just up Atwells from our street. Those damn Parodi's
                                                    > were the worst smelling things you never want to encounter...on a par with the
                                                    > septic tank when it's getting pumped out. *Pe-euew*
                                                    >
                                                    > Linda
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Sheila <SLS91750@...> wrote: It was definitely
                                                    > Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                                    > one shows the name of the street.
                                                    > Sheila
                                                    > http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                                    > http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd
                                                    >
                                                    > On 5/3/08 2:04 PM, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> I thought I would take a stab at this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                                    >> thought
                                                    >> at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                                    >>
                                                    >> According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                                    >> Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                                    >> It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                                    >> Dean
                                                    >>
                                                    >> The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                                    >> if it continued
                                                    >> on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                                    >> This is
                                                    >> probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                                    >> looks like anything
                                                    >> that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                                    >> According to the
                                                    >> 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                                    >> Spruce went
                                                    >> from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                                    >> DePasquale is the
                                                    >> street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                                    >> 161 Tefft,
                                                    >> so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                                    >> there is NO
                                                    >> Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                                    >> something
                                                    >> else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                                    >> There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                                    >> but I've got to
                                                    >> go out for a while.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Lisa
                                                    >>
                                                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                    >> From: Linda Peloquin
                                                    >>
                                                    >> I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........
                                                    >>
                                                    >> What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                                    >> used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                                    >>
                                                    >> My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                                    >> I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                                    >> now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                                    >> just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                                    >> built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Linda
                                                    >>
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                                                  • Lisa Lepore
                                                    Hi Linda - What was your grandmother s name? In 1895 at 22 Tefft, there was Nicholas Castronnova, Mason and Vincenzo Lupoli, Grocer
                                                    Message 25 of 27 , May 5, 2008
                                                      Hi Linda -

                                                      What was your grandmother's name?

                                                      In 1895 at 22 Tefft, there was
                                                      Nicholas Castronnova, Mason and
                                                      Vincenzo Lupoli, Grocer

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                                                      Thanks for reminding me about those maps in the
                                                      Italian American DVD & Book. I had forgotten all
                                                      about them.

                                                      I have a time line for the streets now, but I still can't find when
                                                      Tefft street began. The earliest I can find Tefft Street is 1871.
                                                      Who was Thomas Tefft, and when did he live?
                                                      [Sorry, I don't know much about these old families]


                                                      Tefft
                                                      1886 running from 24 Kenyon to 186 Dean
                                                      1885 running from 24 Kenyon to 180 Dean
                                                      1883 running from 24 Kenyon to 186 Dean
                                                      1881 running from 24 Kenyon to 180 Dean
                                                      1871 doesn't include a street listing, but I found some
                                                      people with a Tefft address.

                                                      The next earliest directory is 1836,
                                                      and I didn't find any Tefft St. there.

                                                      The earliest directory at ancestry is from 1824 and Tefft was not
                                                      a listed street in that one.

                                                      Balbo/Balboa
                                                      I noticed in Linda's message, and in the Images of America books,
                                                      they call it Balbo not Balboa In some of the alphabetical listings in the
                                                      directory, they call it Balbo, but in the street listing they call it
                                                      Balboa.
                                                      I'm guessing it is the same street with an Italian accent?

                                                      Arthur & Tefft existed together for a while - two halves of the same street
                                                      They must have extended Tefft across Atwells, but called the the new part
                                                      Arthur.

                                                      1887 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                      1887 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean

                                                      1888 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                      1888 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean

                                                      1889 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                      1889 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean

                                                      1900 Arthur from 266 Atwells to 71 Kenyon
                                                      1900 Tefft from 267 Atwells to Dean

                                                      1902 Tefft changed to Arthur

                                                      1907 Arthur from 374 West Exchange to 71 Kenyon

                                                      1910 Arthur runs from 374 W. Exchange to 71 Kenyon

                                                      1923 -1935 Arthur is listed

                                                      1935 - Arthur Avenue changed to Balbo Ave
                                                      Balbo Ave from Dean to 71 Kenyon

                                                      1938-1958 Balbo Avenue from Dean to 227 Broadway

                                                      1959 Balbo Avenue changed to Depasquale
                                                      1959 - 1960 Depasquale Ave from Dean to 227 Broadway

                                                      1964 Depasquale Ave from 2 Dean to 227 Broadway

                                                      1964 is the last directory at ancestry.

                                                      You have a good memory!

                                                      Lisa


                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      From: Linda Peloquin
                                                      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:08 PM
                                                      Subject: [RI_Ancestors] ~~ Lisa~~ Re: New 2 Group-Teffts, etc. Tefft
                                                      St>Arthur Ave>Balbo Ave>DePasquale Ave


                                                      Lisa,

                                                      Thanks for all the hard work.

                                                      I took a stab at it earlier in my reply to Tim. I had the 1895 map of
                                                      Providence I was looking at on Ancestry and you've gotten to 1899 so that
                                                      narrows down by a few years when the street name was changed. I have a 1928
                                                      and a 1945 street directory and traced out the name history of subsequent
                                                      street name changes from those and memory.

                                                      BUT....I still don't know the genesis of why the street was named TEFFT ST.
                                                      in the first place.

                                                      To recap.....

                                                      1895-1899...from it's start at Dean St. to it's end at Atwell's, the road is
                                                      named TEFFT St. It crossed West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce and Trainor. On the
                                                      other side of Atwell's, the road continued on to Kenyon St. and bore the
                                                      name of Arthur Ave.

                                                      1899 - 1928.....Somewhere in here, the entire road, from Dean St. to Kenyon
                                                      St. takes on the name Arthur Ave. At that point in history, it begins at
                                                      Dean St. and crosses West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, Atwells, Africa,
                                                      Federal, Europe and ends at Kenyon St.

                                                      1928 - 1945........A block of land sandwiched between Kenyon St. & Broadway
                                                      Ave. which contained 4 lots and buildings is removed and turned into road.
                                                      AND, the road formerly known as Tefft & Arthur, then entirely as Arthur gets
                                                      another new name...Balbo Ave.

                                                      1945 - abt. 1960.........At the end of WW II, both my parents having been
                                                      discharged from the Army and newlywed return to Dad's family's homes on
                                                      Federal Hill. We lived on The Hill until the summer of 1960 when we were
                                                      forced by the construction of what was then referred to as the "North-South
                                                      Freeway" to leave one of the two homes...triple deckers actually....that my
                                                      Grandfather had bought to provide homes for his family.

                                                      As of our leaving from The Hill, my Mom still remembers the road as Balbo
                                                      Ave. I remember the push carts piled with fruits and vegetables, the fish
                                                      vendor with the swayback horse pulling his cart, the coin-op horse with the
                                                      real leather bridle w/bit and real saddle in front of the 5 & 10¢ store at
                                                      the corner of Atwells and Balbo (now Costantino's Venda Ravioli), the live
                                                      chickens and rabbits in the cages at Antonelli's Poultry....talk about
                                                      fresh, eh??(also still on DePasquale but not in the original place)....the
                                                      big salt cods hanging in the window of another of the stores and lining up
                                                      early in the morning at the bakery across the other side of Balbo opposite
                                                      the 5 & 10¢ in order to get the fresh bread as soon as it came out of the
                                                      ovens and the bakery opened before they ran out.

                                                      1959 - now....Several changes occurred during these years. The 6-10
                                                      Connector, which, in the Federal Hill area, follows approximately the path
                                                      of the old West Exchange St. was built. This wiped out the western stretch
                                                      of West Exchange St along with the western end of Cedar and the northern end
                                                      of Tefft/Arthur/Balbo from Dean to Spruce.

                                                      Lisa you nailed it when you said that the interchange replaced the ends of
                                                      Cedar and Tefft/Arthur/Balbo...it's the off/on ramps to/from Dean St.

                                                      Somewhere in that span of time from 1959 to now, the road was again renamed
                                                      to the present name of DePasquale Ave.

                                                      AND the end of DePasquale from Atwells to Spruce, which was always very
                                                      wide, was turned into a plaza complete with fountain, trees, some outdoor
                                                      dining, fancy retro street lighting, nice park benches and the requisite
                                                      rock doves aka pigeons although "rock dove" does sound a bit more high
                                                      class, don't you think?

                                                      #22 Tefft St. - Well, I hadn't really looked into just where #22 was until
                                                      today's discussion. The book accompanying the DVD "Italian Americans and
                                                      Federal Hill" has sections of old plat maps for Federal Hill reproduced in
                                                      it. I had looked at the but I really hadn't LOOKED at them, if you know what
                                                      I mean. the map on page 55 shows DePasquale Plaza as it was in 1908.
                                                      Yup...you guessed it. #22 was on the wrong side of Spruce St. and is now
                                                      just a memory. #22 was just to the north (6-10 Connector side) of Cedar and
                                                      in 1908 according to the plat map reproduced in the book, was owned by Mary
                                                      C. McMurrough lot #7035.

                                                      Possibly what some don't know is that before Federal Hill was Italian, it
                                                      was Irish. This map still displays quite a few Irish names for property
                                                      owners. the Irish & Italian kids didn't always get along but unlike today
                                                      where that quite often = gun/knife violence, back then apparently the worst
                                                      that happened was rock throwing and an occasional fist or two. One of my
                                                      Dad's brothers was known throughout life as "Stone" because he was a rock
                                                      magnet. If an Irish kid threw a darn rock, my Uncle always seemed to be the
                                                      one kid in the crowd of Italian kids who'd get beaned with the thing.

                                                      One question still remains...Why the heck was the street named TEFFT St.
                                                      back in the 1890's? Maybe as Tim mentioned, it had something to do with the
                                                      architect Thomas Tefft.

                                                      Linda

                                                      Lisa Lepore <llepore@...> wrote: I thought I would take a stab at
                                                      this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                                      thought
                                                      at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....

                                                      According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                                      Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                                      It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and ended at
                                                      Dean

                                                      The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets, would be
                                                      if it continued
                                                      on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                                      This is
                                                      probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce, and it
                                                      looks like anything
                                                      that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.

                                                      If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                                      According to the
                                                      1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                                      Spruce went
                                                      from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.

                                                      Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                                      DePasquale is the
                                                      street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar crossed at
                                                      161 Tefft,
                                                      so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.

                                                      The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921 directory,
                                                      there is NO
                                                      Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                                      something
                                                      else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at #97.
                                                      There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.

                                                      I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure this out,
                                                      but I've got to
                                                      go out for a while.

                                                      Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?

                                                      Lisa

                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      From: Linda Peloquin

                                                      I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to ask........

                                                      What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft St. that
                                                      used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?

                                                      My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to find but
                                                      I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists but is
                                                      now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to find out
                                                      just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads that were
                                                      built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10 Connector.

                                                      Linda





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                                                    • Lisa Lepore
                                                      Sheila - Thanks for sending these map links. I had forgotten they were there. Lisa ... From: Sheila To: RI Ancestors Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:45 PM
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , May 5, 2008
                                                        Sheila -

                                                        Thanks for sending these map links. I had forgotten they
                                                        were there.

                                                        Lisa

                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                        From: Sheila
                                                        To: RI Ancestors
                                                        Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:45 PM
                                                        Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] New to the Group-Teffts, etc.


                                                        It was definitely Arthur Street in 1918. It am posting links to both as only
                                                        one shows the name of the street.
                                                        Sheila
                                                        http://tinyurl.com/4mv9xe
                                                        http://tinyurl.com/4tbqtd
                                                      • Linda
                                                        Hi Lisa, OK... so now thanks to you, we have back to 1871 on the road being Tefft St. Going back to Tim s post about architect Thomas Tefft, we get that he
                                                        Message 27 of 27 , May 5, 2008
                                                          Hi Lisa,

                                                          OK... so now thanks to you, we have back to 1871 on the road being
                                                          Tefft St. Going back to Tim's post about architect Thomas Tefft, we
                                                          get that he died in 1859 at age 33y so that means his years were abt.
                                                          1826 - 1859 and Tim says that in 1918 there was a Daniel Tefft in the
                                                          area.

                                                          Tim doesn't note any relationship between the two Tefft"s but 1871
                                                          brings us back a bit closer to architect Thomas. With the list of
                                                          structures for Thomas, I suppose the theory that if he lived in the
                                                          Federal Hill area, a street where his home had been getting named for
                                                          him is a possibility. It would take looking at some older plat maps
                                                          to see just what was there around 1855 - 1860. At some point it had
                                                          to have been more open land/farm than streets and buildings so
                                                          somewhere in there as things developed Tefft Street must have come
                                                          into being as a named thoroughfare.

                                                          Going back to the theory of Thomas living in the area, it could have
                                                          started life as his lane into his home, pieces got sold off &
                                                          developed but used the lane for access and voila..a street is born.
                                                          Just a theory but it would be interesting to see just when & why Tefft
                                                          St. came into being.

                                                          My Grandparents arrived in April 1893 at Ellis Island aboard the
                                                          Masillia, a Fabré Line steamship out of Naples and Marseilles. I have
                                                          a gap between when I found them at Ellis and the 1894 Providence City
                                                          directory. I doubt they hung around NYC. The Fabré line also docked
                                                          in Providence so it is entirely possible that once they cleared
                                                          immigration at Ellis Island, they got right back on a Fabré ship,
                                                          maybe even the same one they'd crossed the Atlantic on, and completed
                                                          their journey to RI. Looking for arrival manifests for Providence &
                                                          my Grandparents on one of them is but one of a long list of yet to
                                                          research items.

                                                          Giuseppe and Rachele Fornaro were renters until purchasing 14 Tower
                                                          St. and after that, a second house, 15 Tower St.

                                                          In 1895 they lived the next street over on Acorn at 123r. They
                                                          weren't at 22 Tefft until 1899. By 1900 they had moved again and were
                                                          back on Acorn at 119 (Uncle Benny, Giuseppe's younger brother was here
                                                          by then and lived next door at 121 Acorn) which the city directory
                                                          lists a "h" so maybe they owned that too. By 1907 my Grandparents
                                                          were at 14 Tower St. I've not found when they purchased 15 Tower but
                                                          our families would stay in the two houses until our homes, 14 & 15
                                                          Tower St, were condemned for the North-South Freeway aka I-95.

                                                          According to the 1900 census, my Grandfather's younger brother,
                                                          Bennedetto came over in 1897 and he too lived on Tefft at one point
                                                          but by that time the entire street was named Arthur. Uncle Benny
                                                          lived at 27 Arthur by 1910. I'm still working on him to see if I can
                                                          find exactly when he came over. Just 'cause the 1900 census says 1897
                                                          don't mean it's necessarily so. I've not found Uncle Benny at Ellis
                                                          Island so it's possible he came directly to Providence with having his
                                                          older brother already established in the city. By 1900, my
                                                          Grandparents were US citizens.

                                                          BTW...Welcome to the club...I don't know much about the old RI
                                                          families either. I got here via Arlan when asking him a question
                                                          about my friend's MONRO's; specifically a Maguire/Monro marriage over
                                                          Warren - Bristol way.

                                                          My RI roots are very shallow...I'm second generation on my paternal
                                                          side and 1st on my maternal side. My Mom is an import via the US Army
                                                          and WW II having met my Dad while they were both stationed out on the
                                                          Cape at Camp Edwards. With the exception of my maternal grandfather's
                                                          family...arrival Derbyshire, England>Staten Island 1881....my Mom's
                                                          families all go back to the settlement of New Amsterdam aka NYC and
                                                          the New Netherland Colony.

                                                          Linda


                                                          --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > Hi Linda -
                                                          >
                                                          > What was your grandmother's name?
                                                          >
                                                          > In 1895 at 22 Tefft, there was
                                                          > Nicholas Castronnova, Mason and
                                                          > Vincenzo Lupoli, Grocer
                                                          >
                                                          > ***************************************************
                                                          > Thanks for reminding me about those maps in the
                                                          > Italian American DVD & Book. I had forgotten all
                                                          > about them.
                                                          >
                                                          > I have a time line for the streets now, but I still can't find when
                                                          > Tefft street began. The earliest I can find Tefft Street is 1871.
                                                          > Who was Thomas Tefft, and when did he live?
                                                          > [Sorry, I don't know much about these old families]
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Tefft
                                                          > 1886 running from 24 Kenyon to 186 Dean
                                                          > 1885 running from 24 Kenyon to 180 Dean
                                                          > 1883 running from 24 Kenyon to 186 Dean
                                                          > 1881 running from 24 Kenyon to 180 Dean
                                                          > 1871 doesn't include a street listing, but I found some
                                                          > people with a Tefft address.
                                                          >
                                                          > The next earliest directory is 1836,
                                                          > and I didn't find any Tefft St. there.
                                                          >
                                                          > The earliest directory at ancestry is from 1824 and Tefft was not
                                                          > a listed street in that one.
                                                          >
                                                          > Balbo/Balboa
                                                          > I noticed in Linda's message, and in the Images of America books,
                                                          > they call it Balbo not Balboa In some of the alphabetical listings
                                                          in the
                                                          > directory, they call it Balbo, but in the street listing they call it
                                                          > Balboa.
                                                          > I'm guessing it is the same street with an Italian accent?
                                                          >
                                                          > Arthur & Tefft existed together for a while - two halves of the same
                                                          street
                                                          > They must have extended Tefft across Atwells, but called the the new
                                                          part
                                                          > Arthur.
                                                          >
                                                          > 1887 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                          > 1887 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean
                                                          >
                                                          > 1888 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                          > 1888 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean
                                                          >
                                                          > 1889 Arthur from 24 Kenyon to 218 Atwells
                                                          > 1889 Tefft from 211 Atwells to 186 Dean
                                                          >
                                                          > 1900 Arthur from 266 Atwells to 71 Kenyon
                                                          > 1900 Tefft from 267 Atwells to Dean
                                                          >
                                                          > 1902 Tefft changed to Arthur
                                                          >
                                                          > 1907 Arthur from 374 West Exchange to 71 Kenyon
                                                          >
                                                          > 1910 Arthur runs from 374 W. Exchange to 71 Kenyon
                                                          >
                                                          > 1923 -1935 Arthur is listed
                                                          >
                                                          > 1935 - Arthur Avenue changed to Balbo Ave
                                                          > Balbo Ave from Dean to 71 Kenyon
                                                          >
                                                          > 1938-1958 Balbo Avenue from Dean to 227 Broadway
                                                          >
                                                          > 1959 Balbo Avenue changed to Depasquale
                                                          > 1959 - 1960 Depasquale Ave from Dean to 227 Broadway
                                                          >
                                                          > 1964 Depasquale Ave from 2 Dean to 227 Broadway
                                                          >
                                                          > 1964 is the last directory at ancestry.
                                                          >
                                                          > You have a good memory!
                                                          >
                                                          > Lisa
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                                          > From: Linda Peloquin
                                                          > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:08 PM
                                                          > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] ~~ Lisa~~ Re: New 2 Group-Teffts, etc. Tefft
                                                          > St>Arthur Ave>Balbo Ave>DePasquale Ave
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Lisa,
                                                          >
                                                          > Thanks for all the hard work.
                                                          >
                                                          > I took a stab at it earlier in my reply to Tim. I had the 1895 map of
                                                          > Providence I was looking at on Ancestry and you've gotten to 1899 so
                                                          that
                                                          > narrows down by a few years when the street name was changed. I have
                                                          a 1928
                                                          > and a 1945 street directory and traced out the name history of
                                                          subsequent
                                                          > street name changes from those and memory.
                                                          >
                                                          > BUT....I still don't know the genesis of why the street was named
                                                          TEFFT ST.
                                                          > in the first place.
                                                          >
                                                          > To recap.....
                                                          >
                                                          > 1895-1899...from it's start at Dean St. to it's end at Atwell's, the
                                                          road is
                                                          > named TEFFT St. It crossed West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce and Trainor.
                                                          On the
                                                          > other side of Atwell's, the road continued on to Kenyon St. and bore
                                                          the
                                                          > name of Arthur Ave.
                                                          >
                                                          > 1899 - 1928.....Somewhere in here, the entire road, from Dean St. to
                                                          Kenyon
                                                          > St. takes on the name Arthur Ave. At that point in history, it
                                                          begins at
                                                          > Dean St. and crosses West Exchange, Cedar, Spruce, Trainor, Atwells,
                                                          Africa,
                                                          > Federal, Europe and ends at Kenyon St.
                                                          >
                                                          > 1928 - 1945........A block of land sandwiched between Kenyon St. &
                                                          Broadway
                                                          > Ave. which contained 4 lots and buildings is removed and turned into
                                                          road.
                                                          > AND, the road formerly known as Tefft & Arthur, then entirely as
                                                          Arthur gets
                                                          > another new name...Balbo Ave.
                                                          >
                                                          > 1945 - abt. 1960.........At the end of WW II, both my parents having
                                                          been
                                                          > discharged from the Army and newlywed return to Dad's family's homes on
                                                          > Federal Hill. We lived on The Hill until the summer of 1960 when we
                                                          were
                                                          > forced by the construction of what was then referred to as the
                                                          "North-South
                                                          > Freeway" to leave one of the two homes...triple deckers
                                                          actually....that my
                                                          > Grandfather had bought to provide homes for his family.
                                                          >
                                                          > As of our leaving from The Hill, my Mom still remembers the road as
                                                          Balbo
                                                          > Ave. I remember the push carts piled with fruits and vegetables, the
                                                          fish
                                                          > vendor with the swayback horse pulling his cart, the coin-op horse
                                                          with the
                                                          > real leather bridle w/bit and real saddle in front of the 5 & 10¢
                                                          store at
                                                          > the corner of Atwells and Balbo (now Costantino's Venda Ravioli),
                                                          the live
                                                          > chickens and rabbits in the cages at Antonelli's Poultry....talk about
                                                          > fresh, eh??(also still on DePasquale but not in the original
                                                          place)....the
                                                          > big salt cods hanging in the window of another of the stores and
                                                          lining up
                                                          > early in the morning at the bakery across the other side of Balbo
                                                          opposite
                                                          > the 5 & 10¢ in order to get the fresh bread as soon as it came out
                                                          of the
                                                          > ovens and the bakery opened before they ran out.
                                                          >
                                                          > 1959 - now....Several changes occurred during these years. The 6-10
                                                          > Connector, which, in the Federal Hill area, follows approximately
                                                          the path
                                                          > of the old West Exchange St. was built. This wiped out the western
                                                          stretch
                                                          > of West Exchange St along with the western end of Cedar and the
                                                          northern end
                                                          > of Tefft/Arthur/Balbo from Dean to Spruce.
                                                          >
                                                          > Lisa you nailed it when you said that the interchange replaced the
                                                          ends of
                                                          > Cedar and Tefft/Arthur/Balbo...it's the off/on ramps to/from Dean St.
                                                          >
                                                          > Somewhere in that span of time from 1959 to now, the road was again
                                                          renamed
                                                          > to the present name of DePasquale Ave.
                                                          >
                                                          > AND the end of DePasquale from Atwells to Spruce, which was always very
                                                          > wide, was turned into a plaza complete with fountain, trees, some
                                                          outdoor
                                                          > dining, fancy retro street lighting, nice park benches and the
                                                          requisite
                                                          > rock doves aka pigeons although "rock dove" does sound a bit more high
                                                          > class, don't you think?
                                                          >
                                                          > #22 Tefft St. - Well, I hadn't really looked into just where #22 was
                                                          until
                                                          > today's discussion. The book accompanying the DVD "Italian Americans
                                                          and
                                                          > Federal Hill" has sections of old plat maps for Federal Hill
                                                          reproduced in
                                                          > it. I had looked at the but I really hadn't LOOKED at them, if you
                                                          know what
                                                          > I mean. the map on page 55 shows DePasquale Plaza as it was in 1908.
                                                          > Yup...you guessed it. #22 was on the wrong side of Spruce St. and is
                                                          now
                                                          > just a memory. #22 was just to the north (6-10 Connector side) of
                                                          Cedar and
                                                          > in 1908 according to the plat map reproduced in the book, was owned
                                                          by Mary
                                                          > C. McMurrough lot #7035.
                                                          >
                                                          > Possibly what some don't know is that before Federal Hill was
                                                          Italian, it
                                                          > was Irish. This map still displays quite a few Irish names for property
                                                          > owners. the Irish & Italian kids didn't always get along but unlike
                                                          today
                                                          > where that quite often = gun/knife violence, back then apparently
                                                          the worst
                                                          > that happened was rock throwing and an occasional fist or two. One
                                                          of my
                                                          > Dad's brothers was known throughout life as "Stone" because he was a
                                                          rock
                                                          > magnet. If an Irish kid threw a darn rock, my Uncle always seemed to
                                                          be the
                                                          > one kid in the crowd of Italian kids who'd get beaned with the thing.
                                                          >
                                                          > One question still remains...Why the heck was the street named TEFFT
                                                          St.
                                                          > back in the 1890's? Maybe as Tim mentioned, it had something to do
                                                          with the
                                                          > architect Thomas Tefft.
                                                          >
                                                          > Linda
                                                          >
                                                          > Lisa Lepore <llepore@...> wrote: I thought I would take a stab at
                                                          > this, but it's a bigger problem than I
                                                          > thought
                                                          > at first, and I don't have an answer yet.....
                                                          >
                                                          > According to the 1899 providence city directory,
                                                          > Tefft ran from 267 Atwells Ave to Dean St.
                                                          > It crossed 10 Trainor, 19 Spruce, 0 Cedar, 57 West Exchange, and
                                                          ended at
                                                          > Dean
                                                          >
                                                          > The only way Tefft could have intersected with all those streets,
                                                          would be
                                                          > if it continued
                                                          > on past Spruce street, and if West Exchange & Cedar continued past Dean.
                                                          > This is
                                                          > probably the case, since this is the area between Rt 10 and Spruce,
                                                          and it
                                                          > looks like anything
                                                          > that was there would have been taken out for that highway interchange.
                                                          >
                                                          > If you look at the current map, only Trainor & Spruce exist today.
                                                          > According to the
                                                          > 1899 directory, Trainor is in the exact location it was back then, and
                                                          > Spruce went
                                                          > from Bond to Lily. Today, Spruce continues past Lily.
                                                          >
                                                          > Spruce crossed at 97 Tefft, and Trainor crossed at 10 Tefft, so if
                                                          > DePasquale is the
                                                          > street, then #22 would have been between Spruce & Trainor. Cedar
                                                          crossed at
                                                          > 161 Tefft,
                                                          > so it looks like the low numbers of the street are still there.
                                                          >
                                                          > The only thing that puts a kink in all this is that in the 1921
                                                          directory,
                                                          > there is NO
                                                          > Tefft Street and NO DePasquale. So Tefft must have been renamed to
                                                          > something
                                                          > else before it was DePasquale. OK, In 1910, Spruce crossed ARTHUR at
                                                          #97.
                                                          > There is NO Tefft and NO DePasquale in this year.
                                                          >
                                                          > I'll try to look at some other directories to see if I can figure
                                                          this out,
                                                          > but I've got to
                                                          > go out for a while.
                                                          >
                                                          > Does anyone have a map for this area from 1899 or before 1921?
                                                          >
                                                          > Lisa
                                                          >
                                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                                          > From: Linda Peloquin
                                                          >
                                                          > I keep seeing TEFFT and I can't stand it any more so I have to
                                                          ask........
                                                          >
                                                          > What is the connection & history of the TEFFT family to the Tefft
                                                          St. that
                                                          > used to be in the City of Providence up on Federal Hill?
                                                          >
                                                          > My Grandparents lived at 22 Tefft St. in 1899. It took me a bit to
                                                          find but
                                                          > I believe, if I've got my facts straight, that Tefft St.still exists
                                                          but is
                                                          > now renamed DePasquale Ave. I haven't gotten around to trying to
                                                          find out
                                                          > just which end of Tefft St. #22 was located on. With all the roads
                                                          that were
                                                          > built, what had been #22 is probably in the middle of the 6-10
                                                          Connector.
                                                          >
                                                          > Linda
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
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