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  • Scott Bill Hirst
    Hi!  I am related to Lucy through Sprague, Crandall, Tefft,  and Mowry. Sarah Palin is a Thomas Stanton out of Stonington, Connecticut. Joseph Stanton, Jr.,
    Message 1 of 25 , Apr 1, 2013
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      Hi!
       I am related to Lucy through Sprague, Crandall, Tefft,  and Mowry. Sarah Palin is a Thomas Stanton out of Stonington, Connecticut. Joseph Stanton, Jr., one of Rhode Island's first U.S. Senators was a Thomas Stanton descendant.
       I am up to over a dozen Presidents if you go back to 1600's who are kinsman. Not including other celebrities. I have seen Sally Field, who I confess, is a big favorite of mine is a Mott so she would be a distant kinswoman.
       FYI: Mowry and Geer reunion in June. Mowry in R.I., and Geer in Connecticut.
      Relatively yours,
      Scott

      Scott Bill Hirst

      20 Maple Court

      Ashaway,RI 02804-1300 USA

      (401)377-4643/Cell: Quick Response Needed (401)450-6230

      Note:Telephone if you need quick reply.

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      --- On Thu, 3/28/13, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:

      From: Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...>
      Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls
      To: "RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com" <RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Thursday, March 28, 2013, 6:16 PM
















       









      Lucy was descended from the Sprague line and David sprague (the preacher) was married to  Elizabeth Jordan who was a sister to Naomi Jordan married to John Taylor. So we Jordans/Taylors are also distantly related to Lucy.

       





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      From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@...>

      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:17 PM

      Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls





       



      Hi Bill,



      I agree many issues to do with our ancestors are related to either political or religious events.



      I just didn’t want to start a political discussion re the fire tax on the list since that is not allowed.



      I had no idea Lucy was connected to the Sprague, Tefft, etc. families, or Sarah Palin was a Tefft.



      Good point about county government. Sandy is from Colorado, and things are arranged much differently there.



      The rest of us who have been yammering here are or were locals. But, you do need to know the counties if you



      are using the records at the FH libraries. All of their records are organized by county when you look up films



      that are available to be ordered. If you are researching in person though the town is the place to go.



      I have seen the politicalgraveyard.com but not recently. I’ll have to check it out.



      Lisa



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      Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:45 PM

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      Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls



      Hi!

      It is difficult to describe what is political or religious. They both have histories and are of genealogical importance. If you advocate on this discussion group for a view is one thing but stating their politics or religion should not be. West Warwick which is 100 years old this year, was created for partisan reasons.

      I hope you check out The Political Graveyard web site http://politicalgraveyard.com/ which is done in good taste and living and deceased persons are listed including myself. My mother's father the Bill family has a listing under family groups.

      I hope you take time to submit information if you are your ancestor has run or held federal or state office either in government or national or state committees, or delegates or alternate delegates to national conventions in addition to Mayors, Ambassadors, Judges, ans Cabinet Members and perhaps others. The Bill listing needs editing as all are not Bills.

      I have found out outside this web site Amasa Sprague, manufacturer and murder victim, and his brother the first Governor William Sprague are my fourth cousins, six times removed. I have Sprague ancestry so does Lucille Desiree Ball. The late comedienne is a Tefft, Mowry, and Crandall families I share with her.

      In closing, it is VERY IMPORTANT to point out to non Rhode islanders we do not have county government like most other states do. The town and the city is where local government exists. To get myself in "real trouble" with some people, Sarah Palin is a Tefft descendant.

      Among the Presidents with Rhode Island ancestry but not inclusive list include Abe Lincoln, James Garfield, FDR, Jimmy Carter, and Richard Nixon.

      Relatively yours,

      Scott

      Scott Bill Hirst

      Member, Hopkinton Town Council

      Board Member and Past President, Hopkinton Historical Association



      Scott Bill Hirst



      20 Maple Court



      Ashaway,RI 02804-1300 USA



      (401)377-4643/Cell: Quick Response Needed (401)450-6230



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      --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Linda Peloquin <mailto:miyukichan0987%40yahoo.com <mailto:miyukichan0987%40yahoo.com> > wrote:



      From: Linda Peloquin <mailto:miyukichan0987%40yahoo.com <mailto:miyukichan0987%40yahoo.com> >

      Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls

      To: mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

      Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 2:05 PM



      Granted, discussions of modern day affairs outside of how they might affect genealogical research would be considered political, I'd argue that at least in the historic context of which I was writing, that the discussion on what was once known as the Central Falls Fire District, now the present day politically autonomous City of Central Falls, really isn't political in the sense that's prohibited here but rather helps us all to understand the progression from the original 60 sq mi+ town of Smithfield formed in 1731 through the break-up into 3 towns & a hunk of Woonsocket in 1871 to the final division setting Central Falls off on it's own in 1895.



      In understanding these things of the past and augmenting with whatever old maps one can find, we can then have a better understanding of just where, geographically, the ancestors might have been in certain time periods, what those areas were then known as and where in the present to start looking for possible records.



      Nowadays, I don't know if there is such a thing as a fire district in RI anymore or if it's just something of the past. I do know we have volunteer fire depts. under the town gov't - Scituate has those and full time fire depts. in the more populous cities & towns.



      I don't know how much pull the Central Falls Fire dist. of the 1800's had but I did think it was a rare display of common sense & fairness on the part of the government of the day not to assess all residents for a service - fire fighting - that only one small segment of the town - Central Falls - benefitted from. As for the state of affairs today, because it would be a political discussion & as many who govern today love to say, "No Comment."



      Linda



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      From: Lisa Lepore <mailto:lisa.lepore2%40gmail.com <mailto:lisa.lepore2%40gmail.com> >



      Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls



      To: mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>



      Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 1:10 PM



      I find this fire district information very interesting. My brother always talks about the fire districts and how they have the ability to



      set their own rates/fees – separate from the taxes you pay to your town – so they are independent of the town government?



      We probably shouldn’t talk much about this here as it is politics, but I live in Massachusetts and we don’t have such a thing as fire districts.



      Each city and town oversees its own fire protection. Some departments are full time, and others are call, and some are a combination of both,



      but all of them fall within the city/town government.



      You are probably correct about the Central Falls fire district. It seems like these districts might have a lot of political pull – even back then.



      Another Rhode Island oddity, I guess.



      Lisa



      From: mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin



      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:11 PM



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      Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls



      Mary & All,



      The reason for the Smithfield records in Central Falls is that prior to Mar 1871 a portion of Woonsocket, all of North Smithfield, all of Lincoln and Central Falls were all one own - Smithfield.



      On 8 Mar 1871 an act of the RI Legislature passed creating 3 towns out of the original town of Smithfield: A much smaller Smithfield, North Smithfield & Lincoln with a small piece of the original Smithfield also going to Woonsocket.



      In 1895, Central Falls was incorporated as a separate entity from Lincoln.



      Lincoln was unique among the towns of RI in that it not only was governed by a town council but in that it contained an incorporated district, the Central Falls Fire District.



      This district was granted, by special legislation, some of the powers of town government in that they could elect a moderator, clerk, treasurer, 3 assessors, a tax collector & presidents of fire wards. Central Falls could also assess & collect taxes on persons & property within the fire wards for the purposes of buying, maintaining and using fire fighting equipment as well as have a police force to maintain order in the event of a fire.



      This special status was legislated at the time because it was felt that the sparkly settled portions of the town should not be taxed for the benefits that would only be enjoyed in the fire-wards which were, apparently much more densely populated & where containment of a fire would be a necessity.



      All this comes Central Falls Fire District info comes from the Lincoln section in the 1878 book I have, "History of Rhode Island, 1636 - 1878". There's no author listed but it was published by Hoag, Wade & Co, Philadelphia & printed by Albert J. Wright, 79 Milk St. (corner of Federal) Boston.



      I'm just speculating here but maybe the explanation for pre 1871 Smithfield records being in housed in Central Falls is because Central Falls had the equipment to fight fires & therefore the records would be safer from destruction in a fire by being there.



      Linda



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      Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 12:57 PM



      Mickey,



      Thanks for the hint.



      Town of Smithfield records began in 1871 I was told when I called.



      Town Clerk stated records before that date are located in Central Falls.



      Hoping to head there Wednesday.



      Mary



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      > Hi Mary,



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      > If I could suggest you call Smithfield with the dates of what you are searching for and they will tell you



      > if it is in their building or at Central Falls. I believe most records (and I can't say all) that are in Smithfield



      > are only from 1867 forward.



      >



      > They are a good crew in Smithfield. 233-1000.



      >



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    • Nancy-Jo Nunez
      Thanks for posting this email Linda...very helpful indeed. Nancy-Jo ... From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Message 2 of 25 , Apr 2, 2013
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        Thanks for posting this email Linda...very helpful indeed.

        Nancy-Jo

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        From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
        Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:11 PM
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        Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls

        Mary & All,

        The reason for the Smithfield records in Central Falls is that prior to Mar 1871 a portion of Woonsocket, all of North Smithfield, all of Lincoln and Central Falls were all one own - Smithfield.

        On 8 Mar 1871 an act of the RI Legislature passed creating 3 towns out of the original town of Smithfield: A much smaller Smithfield, North Smithfield & Lincoln with a small piece of the original Smithfield also going to Woonsocket.

        In 1895, Central Falls was incorporated as a separate entity from Lincoln.

        Lincoln was unique among the towns of RI in that it not only was governed by a town council but in that it contained an incorporated district, the Central Falls Fire District.

        This district was granted, by special legislation, some of the powers of town government in that they could elect a moderator, clerk, treasurer, 3 assessors, a tax collector & presidents of fire wards. Central Falls could also assess & collect taxes on persons & property within the fire wards for the purposes of buying, maintaining and using fire fighting equipment as well as have a police force to maintain order in the event of a fire.

        This special status was legislated at the time because it was felt that the sparkly settled portions of the town should not be taxed for the benefits that would only be enjoyed in the fire-wards which were, apparently much more densely populated & where containment of a fire would be a necessity.

        All this comes Central Falls Fire District info comes from the Lincoln section in the 1878 book I have, "History of Rhode Island, 1636 - 1878". There's no author listed but it was published by Hoag, Wade & Co, Philadelphia & printed by Albert J. Wright, 79 Milk St. (corner of Federal) Boston.

        I'm just speculating here but maybe the explanation for pre 1871 Smithfield records being in housed in Central Falls is because Central Falls had the equipment to fight fires & therefore the records would be safer from destruction in a fire by being there.

        Linda







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        From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
        Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Smithfield vs Central Falls
        To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 12:57 PM







        Mickey,

        Thanks for the hint.

        Town of Smithfield records began in 1871 I was told when I called.

        Town Clerk stated records before that date are located in Central Falls.
        Hoping to head there Wednesday.

        Mary

        --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com,finnjordan4@... wrote:
        >
        > Hi Mary,
        >
        > If I could suggest you call Smithfield with the dates of what you are
        > searching for and they will tell you if it is in their building or at
        > Central Falls. I believe most records (and I can't say all) that are in Smithfield are only from 1867 forward.
        >
        > They are a good crew in Smithfield. 233-1000.
        >








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      • louisabishfaw
        Hey Scott, I didn t know that Sally Field was connected, considering how many lines we share I m sure we share her too. Could you send me what you have on her
        Message 3 of 25 , Apr 16, 2013
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          Hey Scott, I didn't know that Sally Field was connected, considering how many lines we share I'm sure we share her too. Could you send me what you have on her line for my dad and me?

          Louisa

          --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Scott Bill Hirst <scottbillhirst@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi!
          >  I am related to Lucy through Sprague, Crandall, Tefft,  and Mowry. Sarah Palin is a Thomas Stanton out of Stonington, Connecticut. Joseph Stanton, Jr., one of Rhode Island's first U.S. Senators was a Thomas Stanton descendant.
          >  I am up to over a dozen Presidents if you go back to 1600's who are kinsman. Not including other celebrities. I have seen Sally Field, who I confess, is a big favorite of mine is a Mott so she would be a distant kinswoman.
          >  FYI: Mowry and Geer reunion in June. Mowry in R.I., and Geer in Connecticut.
          > Relatively yours,
          > Scott
          >
          > Scott Bill Hirst
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