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  • Linda Peloquin
    Hi Mary,   Well, that early on it could well be that no municipal issuance or recording of BMD was required.    If I understand it, recording BMD was left
    Message 1 of 29 , Mar 16, 2013
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      Hi Mary,
       
      Well, that early on it could well be that no municipal issuance or recording of BMD was required. 
       
      If I understand it, recording BMD was left sole to the discretion of the municipalities whether they wanted to do it or not.  Ken Carlson, dir. of  RI Archives would probably be your go to man for an ans.

      Your only options for that era might be church christening records or family bible entries of BMD but those bibles are darn hard to come by. 
       
      Maybe the local historic society or RI Historic Society Library might have some in their collections but then you would still need the bible to be from your Jillson family or a close branch who might feel the need to record such events.  They might also be able to tell you if there was a small local broadside/newspaper of the time where local events such a family losing a child to death might be mentioned and if any copies or transcripts exist & where.
       
      Boy, you really have some stealthy folks you hunt for.
       
      Linda
       
       

      --- On Sat, 3/16/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:


      From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
      Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 5:51 PM



       





      Hi to all,

      Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.

      For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.

      They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr great grandfather and his one sister lived past
      1844.

      I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!

      Mary

      --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
      >
      > Lisa,
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      > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they wouldn't be.
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      > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one. 
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      > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot more service.  I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to visit her older brother.  My Mom & I too, would go all over bus. 
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      > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe & clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck, milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.   You name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to your doorstep.
      >  
      > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here, that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom got a job.
      >  
      > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out & bagging, too.  More profit for them I guess because I don't see them offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate,  or even close to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person & a bagger on the payroll. 
      >  
      > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the label.  Bah-humbug!
      >  
      > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress.  There were a lot of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied close by to home.  
      >  
      > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the essentials in meat, dairy & produce.   Like the Joni Mitchell song said, "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
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      > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived & if she really had need of one.
      >  
      > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
      >  
      > Linda
      >
      > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
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      > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@...>
      > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
      > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
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      > Hi Linda,
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      > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle tax records are public?
      >
      > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
      >
      > Lisa
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      > lisa.lepore2@...
      >
      > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
      > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
      > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
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      > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
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      > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an adjacent stone?
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      > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find her.
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      > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
      >
      > Linda
      >
      > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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      > From: mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
      > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
      > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
      >
      > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
      >
      > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
      > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It causes large problems in the site.
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      > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to offer.
      >
      > Mary
      >
      > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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      > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find DODs via the SSDI.
      > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
      > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
      > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material, extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial. That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
      > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
      > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
      > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
      > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
      photo),
      > as
      > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly, you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial record.
      > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns that copyright.
      > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is printed.Â
      > > Linda
      > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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      > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
      > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
      > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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      > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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      > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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      > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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      > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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      > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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      > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
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      > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
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      > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
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      > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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      > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
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      > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
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      > > Mary
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      > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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      > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
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      > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will find links to all states and counties in the USA
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      > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
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      > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
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    • mjbarnett23@ymail.com
      Well, of course, I didn t know I had them till about 8years ago. Being a rookie or somewhat of one, and the names being spelled every which way from Sunday,
      Message 2 of 29 , Mar 16, 2013
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        Well, of course, I didn't know I had them till about 8years ago.
        Being a rookie or somewhat of one, and the names being spelled every which way from Sunday, and all the fibbing and messing with dates marriage and children by my grandfather, it's wonder I have what I have. It's the help of others and perseverance that has picked the bones dry.

        Ken has not been able to come up with any of the family in the archives except my gr gr grandfather Randolph and his family. He has tried to find things for me so often. No luck.

        I have to remember also that what we now know as Woonsocket near where the original homestead was on Mendon Rd Woonsocket was at one time all Cumberland.

        In fact in Luke's father's will Nathaniel talks about the homestead and another house across the street needing to be cared for by others as Luke and his brother Jarvis were under age and couldn't inherit.

        I know for sure Jarvis is buried in the cemetery behind the second house called Jillson Lot and strongly suspect that Luke and Elizabeth are there too with field stone markers. We will never know that's for sure. Both Luke and Elizabeth died in their 30's whereas Jarvis married twice and lived to be 84 yrs old. The homestead and land destroyed to build condos, house moved to southern RI.

        Mary


        --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Mary,
        >  
        > Well, that early on it could well be that no municipal issuance or recording of BMD was required. 
        >  
        > If I understand it, recording BMD was left sole to the discretion of the municipalities whether they wanted to do it or not.  Ken Carlson, dir. of  RI Archives would probably be your go to man for an ans.
        >
        > Your only options for that era might be church christening records or family bible entries of BMD but those bibles are darn hard to come by. 
        >  
        > Maybe the local historic society or RI Historic Society Library might have some in their collections but then you would still need the bible to be from your Jillson family or a close branch who might feel the need to record such events.  They might also be able to tell you if there was a small local broadside/newspaper of the time where local events such a family losing a child to death might be mentioned and if any copies or transcripts exist & where.
        >  
        > Boy, you really have some stealthy folks you hunt for.
        >  
        > Linda
        >  
        >  
        >
        > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
        > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
        > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 5:51 PM
        >
        >
        >
        >  
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Hi to all,
        >
        > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
        >
        > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.
        >
        > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr great grandfather and his one sister lived past
        > 1844.
        >
        > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
        >
        > Mary
        >
        > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Lisa,
        > >  
        > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they wouldn't be.
        > >  
        > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one. 
        > >  
        > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot more service.  I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to visit her older brother.  My Mom & I too, would go all over bus. 
        > >  
        > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe & clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck, milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.   You name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to your doorstep.
        > >  
        > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here, that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom got a job.
        > >  
        > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out & bagging, too.  More profit for them I guess because I don't see them offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate,  or even close to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person & a bagger on the payroll. 
        > >  
        > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the label.  Bah-humbug!
        > >  
        > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress.  There were a lot of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied close by to home.  
        > >  
        > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the essentials in meat, dairy & produce.   Like the Joni Mitchell song said, "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
        > >  
        > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived & if she really had need of one.
        > >  
        > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
        > >  
        > > Linda
        > >
        > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
        > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
        > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >  
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Hi Linda,
        > >
        > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle tax records are public?
        > >
        > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
        > >
        > > Lisa
        > >
        > > lisa.lepore2@
        > >
        > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
        > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
        > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
        > >
        > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
        > >
        > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an adjacent stone?
        > >
        > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find her.
        > >
        > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
        > >
        > > Linda
        > >
        > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
        > >
        > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
        > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
        > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
        > >
        > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
        > >
        > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
        > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It causes large problems in the site.
        > >
        > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to offer.
        > >
        > > Mary
        > >
        > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find DODs via the SSDI.
        > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
        > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
        > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material, extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial. That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
        > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
        > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
        > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
        > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
        > photo),
        > > as
        > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly, you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial record.
        > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns that copyright.
        > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is printed.Â
        > > > Linda
        > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
        > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
        > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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        > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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        > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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        > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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        > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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        > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
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        > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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        > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
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        > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
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        > > > Mary
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        > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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        > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
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        > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will find links to all states and counties in the USA
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        > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
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      • Quiche
        Mary, a lot of times there are just no vital records for certain people during the early 1800s. I often find that to be the case in RI and CT. After a
        Message 3 of 29 , Mar 21, 2013
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          Mary, a lot of times there are just no vital records for certain people during the early 1800s. I often find that to be the case in RI and CT. After a research expedition to Chaplin, CT this winter, where I could find no vitals for people who I definitely knew lived there from census records, I finally had a realization.

          If the people were shifting farm laborers or mill workers, I don't think the towns wanted to keep records for them. They weren't considered part of the community and the town did not want to be responsible for poor relief to these people. Just a theory - but after innumerable times of not finding the records I thought that would be there in town halls throughout Rhode Island and Connecticut, that is what I am concluding.

          Lorraine

          --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@..." <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          > Hi to all,
          >
          > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
          >
          > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.
          >
          > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr great grandfather and his one sister lived past
          > 1844.
          >
          > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
          >
          > Mary
          >
          > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Lisa,
          > >  
          > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they wouldn't be.
          > >  
          > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one. 
          > >  
          > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot more service.  I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to visit her older brother.  My Mom & I too, would go all over bus. 
          > >  
          > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe & clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck, milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.   You name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to your doorstep.
          > >  
          > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here, that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom got a job.
          > >  
          > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out & bagging, too.  More profit for them I guess because I don't see them offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate,  or even close to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person & a bagger on the payroll. 
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          > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the label.  Bah-humbug!
          > >  
          > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress.  There were a lot of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied close by to home.  
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          > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the essentials in meat, dairy & produce.   Like the Joni Mitchell song said, "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
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          > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived & if she really had need of one.
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          > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
          > >  
          > > Linda
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          > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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          > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
          > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
          > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
          > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
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          > > Hi Linda,
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          > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle tax records are public?
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          > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
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          > > Lisa
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          > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
          > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
          > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
          > >
          > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
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          > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an adjacent stone?
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          > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find her.
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          > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
          > >
          > > Linda
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          > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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          > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
          > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
          > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
          > >
          > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
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          > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
          > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It causes large problems in the site.
          > >
          > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to offer.
          > >
          > > Mary
          > >
          > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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          > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find DODs via the SSDI.
          > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
          > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
          > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material, extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial. That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
          > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
          > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
          > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
          > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the photo),
          > > as
          > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly, you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial record.
          > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns that copyright.
          > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is printed.Â
          > > > Linda
          > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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          > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
          > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
          > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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          > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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          > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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          > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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          > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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          > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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          > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
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          > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
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          > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
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          > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
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          > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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          > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
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          > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
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          > > > Mary
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          > > >
          > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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          > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
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          > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will find links to all states and counties in the USA
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          > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
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          > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
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        • Lisa Lepore
          Registration of records wasn’t required until at least the mid 1800’s, and it was voluntary when it first started. People had to pay to register these
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            Registration of records wasn’t required until at least the mid 1800’s, and
            it was voluntary when it first started.

            People had to pay to register these events so it would make sense that poor
            people were less likely to do this.

            Since it was voluntary, the town had no reason to seek them out.



            Some towns did a good job of recording events and others did not.



            In this early time period you could try to find church records, or family
            bibles, or cemetery records



            I’m guessing you already looked at the Barbour records?



            Lisa







            From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Quiche
            Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:06 PM
            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES





            Mary, a lot of times there are just no vital records for certain people
            during the early 1800s. I often find that to be the case in RI and CT. After
            a research expedition to Chaplin, CT this winter, where I could find no
            vitals for people who I definitely knew lived there from census records, I
            finally had a realization.

            If the people were shifting farm laborers or mill workers, I don't think the
            towns wanted to keep records for them. They weren't considered part of the
            community and the town did not want to be responsible for poor relief to
            these people. Just a theory - but after innumerable times of not finding the
            records I thought that would be there in town halls throughout Rhode Island
            and Connecticut, that is what I am concluding.

            Lorraine

            --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            , "mjbarnett23@..." <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            > Hi to all,
            >
            > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto
            Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
            >
            > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They
            have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson
            and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the
            children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males
            over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.
            >
            > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
            censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
            great grandfather and his one sister lived past
            > 1844.
            >
            > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence
            does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like
            dancing!!!!!!!
            >
            > Mary
            >
            > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
            wrote:
            > >
            > > Lisa,
            > > Â
            > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
            wouldn't be.
            > > Â
            > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
            > > Â
            > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
            more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
            late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
            visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
            > > Â
            > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
            everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
            clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
            milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
            name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
            your doorstep.
            > > Â
            > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
            that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
            got a job.
            > > Â
            > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
            enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
            helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
            bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
            offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
            to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
            a bagger on the payroll.Â
            > > Â
            > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in
            some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking
            lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to
            get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that hasÂ
            no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and
            is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or
            if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt.
            maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on
            the label. Bah-humbug!
            > > Â
            > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot
            of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
            close by to home. Â
            > > Â
            > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
            descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
            and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
            essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
            "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
            > > Â
            > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived
            & if she really had need of one.
            > > Â
            > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
            especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
            > > Â
            > > Linda
            > >
            > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
            > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
            ARCHIVES
            > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

            > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Â
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Hi Linda,
            > >
            > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
            tax records are public?
            > >
            > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
            > >
            > > Lisa
            > >
            > > lisa.lepore2@
            > >
            > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
            > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
            > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

            > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
            ARCHIVES
            > >
            > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
            cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
            directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
            any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
            > >
            > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
            adjacent stone?
            > >
            > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
            1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
            come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
            her.
            > >
            > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at
            property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
            > >
            > > Linda
            > >
            > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
            <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
            > >
            > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
            <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
            > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
            ARCHIVES
            > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
            > >
            > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
            > >
            > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
            > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
            what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
            causes large problems in the site.
            > >
            > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
            children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
            offer.
            > >
            > > Mary
            > >
            > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
            wrote:
            > > >
            > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
            assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
            DODs via the SSDI.
            > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
            an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
            Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
            > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the
            archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to
            search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
            > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
            original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
            from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
            extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
            deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
            That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
            > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
            > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
            <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
            <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
            #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
            > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
            > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an
            individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper
            to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were
            published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general,
            obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from
            the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should
            list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in
            the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April
            11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives
            in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
            permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
            name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
            NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
            photo),
            > > as
            > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right
            to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
            you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
            record.
            > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
            staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
            that copyright.
            > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
            obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
            printed.Â
            > > > Linda
            > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
            > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
            ARCHIVES
            > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
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            > > > Â
            > > >
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            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
            > > >
            > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
            > > >
            > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
            > > >
            > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964
            and they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had
            her.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
            > > >
            > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
            > > >
            > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials
            I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Mary
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
            much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
            http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
            find links to all states and counties in the USA
            > > >
            > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
            unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > > From: Stefanie
            > > >
            > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
            > > >
            > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
            <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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            ARCHIVES
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            > > >
            > > > > Mary,
            > > >
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            > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
            > > >
            > > > > subscription sites where I can look.
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          • Lisa Lepore
            Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in there. I don’t know your people, so I can’t tell you if it’s them, but do
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              Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
              there. I don’t know your

              people, so I can’t tell you if it’s them, but do take a look.



              They are online at ancestry.com



              By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
              can’t get the site to download the files.



              http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/



              Lisa





              From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
              Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
              To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES







              Hi to all,

              Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
              for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.

              For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
              been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
              Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
              are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
              etc etc and the same with the females.

              They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
              censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
              great grandfather and his one sister lived past
              1844.

              I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
              pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!

              Mary

              --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
              >
              > Lisa,
              > Â
              > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
              wouldn't be.
              > Â
              > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
              > Â
              > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
              more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
              late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
              visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
              > Â
              > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
              everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
              clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
              milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
              name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
              your doorstep.
              > Â
              > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
              that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
              got a job.
              > Â
              > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
              enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
              helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
              bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
              offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
              to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
              a bagger on the payroll.Â
              > Â
              > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
              massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot
              in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
              to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
              knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
              jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
              non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
              dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
              label. Bah-humbug!
              > Â
              > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
              things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
              close by to home. Â
              > Â
              > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
              descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
              and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
              essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
              "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
              > Â
              > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &
              if she really had need of one.
              > Â
              > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
              especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
              > Â
              > Linda
              >
              > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@...>
              > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
              ARCHIVES
              > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
              >
              >
              >
              > Â
              >
              >
              >
              > Hi Linda,
              >
              > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
              tax records are public?
              >
              > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
              >
              > Lisa
              >
              > lisa.lepore2@...
              >
              > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
              > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
              > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
              ARCHIVES
              >
              > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
              cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
              directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
              any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
              >
              > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
              adjacent stone?
              >
              > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
              1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
              come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
              her.
              >
              > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
              tax records to try & find a year for her death.
              >
              > Linda
              >
              > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
              <mjbarnett23@...
              <mailto:mjbarnett23@...%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
              <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
              >
              > From: mjbarnett23@... <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@...
              <mailto:mjbarnett23@...%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
              <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
              > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
              ARCHIVES
              > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
              >
              > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
              >
              > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
              > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
              what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
              causes large problems in the site.
              >
              > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
              children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
              offer.
              >
              > Mary
              >
              > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
              <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
              <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
              wrote:
              > >
              > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
              assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
              DODs via the SSDI.
              > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
              an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
              Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
              > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
              copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
              make a copy for you if an obit was found.
              > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
              original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
              from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
              extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
              deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
              That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
              > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
              > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
              <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
              <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
              #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
              > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
              > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
              memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
              you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in
              1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
              newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
              home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
              newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
              Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
              2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
              the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
              permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
              name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
              NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
              photo),
              > as
              > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
              remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
              you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
              record.
              > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
              staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
              that copyright.
              > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
              obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
              printed.Â
              > > Linda
              > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
              > >
              > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
              > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
              ARCHIVES
              > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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              > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
              > >
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              > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
              > >
              > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
              > >
              > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
              > >
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              > >
              > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
              > >
              > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and
              they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
              > >
              > >
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              > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
              > >
              > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
              > >
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              > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
              > >
              > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
              have made on Find a Grave for family members.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
              > >
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              > >
              > > Mary
              > >
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              > >
              > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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              <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
              much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
              http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
              find links to all states and counties in the USA
              > >
              > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
              unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > From: Stefanie
              > >
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
              > >
              > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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              <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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              > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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              > > > Mary,
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              > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
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              Hi Lisa, Yes, and this family like all others had many members of varied income levels. Not all can be rich. From what I have learned from my branch they had
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                Hi Lisa,

                Yes, and this family like all others had many members of varied income
                levels. Not all can be rich. From what I have learned from my branch they had members at many levels. Directs seem to be farmers, and yet Luke the one I am searching was listed in the Jillson book as a mechanic. Obituaries are really hard to locate. Even when my grandfather died in 1937 it was only a one or two line entry about service and burial.

                Thanks for the information.

                Mary


                --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
                >
                > Registration of records wasn't required until at least the mid 1800's, and
                > it was voluntary when it first started.
                >
                > People had to pay to register these events so it would make sense that poor
                > people were less likely to do this.
                >
                > Since it was voluntary, the town had no reason to seek them out.
                >
                >
                >
                > Some towns did a good job of recording events and others did not.
                >
                >
                >
                > In this early time period you could try to find church records, or family
                > bibles, or cemetery records
                >
                >
                >
                > I'm guessing you already looked at the Barbour records?
                >
                >
                >
                > Lisa
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                > Behalf Of Quiche
                > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:06 PM
                > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Mary, a lot of times there are just no vital records for certain people
                > during the early 1800s. I often find that to be the case in RI and CT. After
                > a research expedition to Chaplin, CT this winter, where I could find no
                > vitals for people who I definitely knew lived there from census records, I
                > finally had a realization.
                >
                > If the people were shifting farm laborers or mill workers, I don't think the
                > towns wanted to keep records for them. They weren't considered part of the
                > community and the town did not want to be responsible for poor relief to
                > these people. Just a theory - but after innumerable times of not finding the
                > records I thought that would be there in town halls throughout Rhode Island
                > and Connecticut, that is what I am concluding.
                >
                > Lorraine
                >
                > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > , "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Hi to all,
                > >
                > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto
                > Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                > >
                > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They
                > have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson
                > and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the
                > children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males
                > over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.
                > >
                > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                > > 1844.
                > >
                > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence
                > does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like
                > dancing!!!!!!!
                > >
                > > Mary
                > >
                > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Lisa,
                > > > Â
                > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
                > wouldn't be.
                > > > Â
                > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                > > > Â
                > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
                > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                > > > Â
                > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
                > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
                > your doorstep.
                > > > Â
                > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
                > got a job.
                > > > Â
                > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
                > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
                > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
                > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
                > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                > > > Â
                > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in
                > some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking
                > lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to
                > get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that hasÂ
                > no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and
                > is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or
                > if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt.
                > maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on
                > the label. Bah-humbug!
                > > > Â
                > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot
                > of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                > close by to home. Â
                > > > Â
                > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
                > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
                > > > Â
                > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived
                > & if she really had need of one.
                > > > Â
                > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                > > > Â
                > > > Linda
                > > >
                > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                > ARCHIVES
                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                > > >
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                > > > Hi Linda,
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                > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
                > tax records are public?
                > > >
                > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                > > >
                > > > Lisa
                > > >
                > > > lisa.lepore2@
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                > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                > ARCHIVES
                > > >
                > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
                > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
                > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
                > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                > > >
                > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                > adjacent stone?
                > > >
                > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
                > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
                > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                > her.
                > > >
                > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at
                > property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                > > >
                > > > Linda
                > > >
                > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                > <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                > ARCHIVES
                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                > > >
                > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                > > >
                > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                > causes large problems in the site.
                > > >
                > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
                > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                > offer.
                > > >
                > > > Mary
                > > >
                > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                > wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
                > DODs via the SSDI.
                > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
                > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
                > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the
                > archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to
                > search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
                > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
                > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
                > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an
                > individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper
                > to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were
                > published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general,
                > obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from
                > the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should
                > list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in
                > the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April
                > 11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives
                > in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
                > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
                > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
                > photo),
                > > > as
                > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right
                > to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
                > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                > record.
                > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                > that copyright.
                > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                > printed.Â
                > > > > Linda
                > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
                > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                > ARCHIVES
                > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                > > > >
                > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
                > > > >
                > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
                > > > >
                > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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                > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
                > > > >
                > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964
                > and they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had
                > her.
                > > > >
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                > > > >
                > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
                > > > >
                > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
                > > > >
                > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials
                > I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Mary
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
                > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
                > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
                > find links to all states and counties in the USA
                > > > >
                > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
                > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > From: Stefanie
                > > > >
                > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
                > > > >
                > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > >
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                > > > > > Mary,
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                > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
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              • mjbarnett23@ymail.com
                Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold
                Message 7 of 29 , Mar 22, 2013
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                  Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.

                  Thanks again,

                  Mary


                  --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
                  > there. I don't know your
                  >
                  > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > They are online at ancestry.com
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
                  > can't get the site to download the files.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Lisa
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                  > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
                  > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
                  > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi to all,
                  >
                  > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
                  > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                  >
                  > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
                  > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                  > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
                  > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
                  > etc etc and the same with the females.
                  >
                  > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                  > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                  > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                  > 1844.
                  >
                  > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
                  > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
                  >
                  > Mary
                  >
                  > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Lisa,
                  > > Â
                  > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
                  > wouldn't be.
                  > > Â
                  > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                  > > Â
                  > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                  > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                  > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
                  > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                  > > Â
                  > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                  > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                  > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
                  > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                  > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
                  > your doorstep.
                  > > Â
                  > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                  > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
                  > got a job.
                  > > Â
                  > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
                  > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
                  > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                  > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                  > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
                  > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
                  > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                  > > Â
                  > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
                  > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot
                  > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
                  > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
                  > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
                  > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
                  > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
                  > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
                  > label. Bah-humbug!
                  > > Â
                  > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
                  > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                  > close by to home. Â
                  > > Â
                  > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                  > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                  > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                  > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
                  > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
                  > > Â
                  > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &
                  > if she really had need of one.
                  > > Â
                  > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                  > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                  > > Â
                  > > Linda
                  > >
                  > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                  > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                  > ARCHIVES
                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Â
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Hi Linda,
                  > >
                  > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
                  > tax records are public?
                  > >
                  > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                  > >
                  > > Lisa
                  > >
                  > > lisa.lepore2@
                  > >
                  > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                  > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                  > ARCHIVES
                  > >
                  > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
                  > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
                  > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
                  > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                  > >
                  > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                  > adjacent stone?
                  > >
                  > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
                  > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
                  > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                  > her.
                  > >
                  > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
                  > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                  > >
                  > > Linda
                  > >
                  > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                  > <mjbarnett23@
                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                  > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                  > ARCHIVES
                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                  > >
                  > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                  > >
                  > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                  > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                  > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                  > causes large problems in the site.
                  > >
                  > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
                  > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                  > offer.
                  > >
                  > > Mary
                  > >
                  > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                  > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                  > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
                  > DODs via the SSDI.
                  > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
                  > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
                  > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                  > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
                  > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
                  > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                  > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                  > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
                  > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
                  > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                  > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
                  > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                  > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                  > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                  > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                  > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                  > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                  > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                  > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
                  > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
                  > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in
                  > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
                  > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
                  > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
                  > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
                  > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
                  > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
                  > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                  > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
                  > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
                  > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
                  > photo),
                  > > as
                  > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
                  > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
                  > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                  > record.
                  > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                  > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                  > that copyright.
                  > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                  > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                  > printed.Â
                  > > > Linda
                  > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
                  > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                  > ARCHIVES
                  > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                  > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
                  > > >
                  > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
                  > > >
                  > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
                  > > >
                  > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and
                  > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
                  > > >
                  > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
                  > > >
                  > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
                  > have made on Find a Grave for family members.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Mary
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
                  > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
                  > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
                  > find links to all states and counties in the USA
                  > > >
                  > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
                  > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > From: Stefanie
                  > > >
                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
                  > > >
                  > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > >
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                  > ARCHIVES
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                  > > > > Mary,
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                  > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
                  > > >
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                • mjbarnett23@ymail.com
                  Lisa, You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour s records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are
                  Message 8 of 29 , Mar 22, 2013
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                    Lisa,

                    You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.

                    If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.


                    Mary



                    --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@..." <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.
                    >
                    > Thanks again,
                    >
                    > Mary
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
                    > > there. I don't know your
                    > >
                    > > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > They are online at ancestry.com
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
                    > > can't get the site to download the files.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Lisa
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                    > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@
                    > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
                    > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Hi to all,
                    > >
                    > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
                    > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                    > >
                    > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
                    > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                    > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
                    > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
                    > > etc etc and the same with the females.
                    > >
                    > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                    > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                    > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                    > > 1844.
                    > >
                    > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
                    > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
                    > >
                    > > Mary
                    > >
                    > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Lisa,
                    > > > Â
                    > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
                    > > wouldn't be.
                    > > > Â
                    > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                    > > > Â
                    > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                    > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                    > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
                    > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                    > > > Â
                    > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                    > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                    > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
                    > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                    > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
                    > > your doorstep.
                    > > > Â
                    > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                    > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
                    > > got a job.
                    > > > Â
                    > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
                    > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
                    > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                    > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                    > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
                    > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
                    > > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                    > > > Â
                    > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
                    > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot
                    > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
                    > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
                    > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
                    > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
                    > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
                    > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
                    > > label. Bah-humbug!
                    > > > Â
                    > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
                    > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                    > > close by to home. Â
                    > > > Â
                    > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                    > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                    > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                    > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
                    > > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
                    > > > Â
                    > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &
                    > > if she really had need of one.
                    > > > Â
                    > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                    > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                    > > > Â
                    > > > Linda
                    > > >
                    > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                    > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                    > > ARCHIVES
                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Â
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Hi Linda,
                    > > >
                    > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
                    > > tax records are public?
                    > > >
                    > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                    > > >
                    > > > Lisa
                    > > >
                    > > > lisa.lepore2@
                    > > >
                    > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                    > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                    > > ARCHIVES
                    > > >
                    > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
                    > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
                    > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
                    > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                    > > >
                    > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                    > > adjacent stone?
                    > > >
                    > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
                    > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
                    > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                    > > her.
                    > > >
                    > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
                    > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                    > > >
                    > > > Linda
                    > > >
                    > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                    > > <mjbarnett23@
                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                    > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                    > > ARCHIVES
                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                    > > >
                    > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                    > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                    > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                    > > causes large problems in the site.
                    > > >
                    > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
                    > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                    > > offer.
                    > > >
                    > > > Mary
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                    > > wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                    > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
                    > > DODs via the SSDI.
                    > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
                    > > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
                    > > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                    > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
                    > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
                    > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                    > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                    > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
                    > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
                    > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                    > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
                    > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                    > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                    > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                    > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                    > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                    > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                    > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                    > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
                    > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
                    > > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in
                    > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
                    > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
                    > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
                    > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
                    > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
                    > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
                    > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                    > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
                    > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
                    > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
                    > > photo),
                    > > > as
                    > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
                    > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
                    > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                    > > record.
                    > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                    > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                    > > that copyright.
                    > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                    > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                    > > printed.Â
                    > > > > Linda
                    > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
                    > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                    > > ARCHIVES
                    > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
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                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
                    > > > >
                    > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
                    > > > >
                    > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
                    > > > >
                    > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and
                    > > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
                    > > have made on Find a Grave for family members.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Mary
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
                    > > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
                    > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
                    > > find links to all states and counties in the USA
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
                    > > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > From: Stefanie
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > >
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                    > > > > > Mary,
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                    > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
                    > > > >
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                  • finnjordan4@...
                    Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland. On 03/22/13, mjbarnett23@ymail.com wrote: Lisa, You
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                      Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland.



                      On 03/22/13, mjbarnett23@... wrote:






























                      Lisa,



                      You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.



                      If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.



                      Mary



                      --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@..." <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.

                      >

                      > Thanks again,

                      >

                      > Mary

                      >

                      >

                      > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:

                      > >

                      > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in

                      > > there. I don't know your

                      > >

                      > > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > They are online at ancestry.com

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I

                      > > can't get the site to download the files.

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > Lisa

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On

                      > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@

                      > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM

                      > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

                      > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > >

                      > > Hi to all,

                      > >

                      > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry

                      > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.

                      > >

                      > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have

                      > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and

                      > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children

                      > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10

                      > > etc etc and the same with the females.

                      > >

                      > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the

                      > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr

                      > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past

                      > > 1844.

                      > >

                      > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does

                      > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!

                      > >

                      > > Mary

                      > >

                      > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:

                      > > >

                      > > > Lisa,

                      > > > Â

                      > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they

                      > > wouldn't be.

                      > > > Â

                      > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â

                      > > > Â

                      > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot

                      > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my

                      > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to

                      > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â

                      > > > Â

                      > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because

                      > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &

                      > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,

                      > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You

                      > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to

                      > > your doorstep.

                      > > > Â

                      > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,

                      > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom

                      > > got a job.

                      > > > Â

                      > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker

                      > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but

                      > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &

                      > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them

                      > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close

                      > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &

                      > > a bagger on the payroll.Â

                      > > > Â

                      > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some

                      > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot

                      > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get

                      > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no

                      > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is

                      > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if

                      > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a

                      > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the

                      > > label. Bah-humbug!

                      > > > Â

                      > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of

                      > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied

                      > > close by to home. Â

                      > > > Â

                      > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non

                      > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere

                      > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the

                      > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,

                      > > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."

                      > > > Â

                      > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &

                      > > if she really had need of one.

                      > > > Â

                      > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore

                      > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.

                      > > > Â

                      > > > Linda

                      > > >

                      > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:

                      > > >

                      > > >

                      > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>

                      > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

                      > > ARCHIVES

                      > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM

                      > > >

                      > > >

                      > > >

                      > > > Â

                      > > >

                      > > >

                      > > >

                      > > > Hi Linda,

                      > > >

                      > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle

                      > > tax records are public?

                      > > >

                      > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.

                      > > >

                      > > > Lisa

                      > > >

                      > > > lisa.lepore2@

                      > > >

                      > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin

                      > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM

                      > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

                      > > ARCHIVES

                      > > >

                      > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the

                      > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City

                      > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if

                      > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.

                      > > >

                      > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an

                      > > adjacent stone?

                      > > >

                      > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the

                      > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to

                      > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find

                      > > her.

                      > > >

                      > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property

                      > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.

                      > > >

                      > > > Linda

                      > > >

                      > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>

                      > > <mjbarnett23@

                      > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>

                      > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:

                      > > >

                      > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@

                      > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>

                      > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >

                      > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

                      > > ARCHIVES

                      > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM

                      > > >

                      > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,

                      > > >

                      > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the

                      > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is

                      > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It

                      > > causes large problems in the site.

                      > > >

                      > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the

                      > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to

                      > > offer.

                      > > >

                      > > > Mary

                      > > >

                      > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>

                      > > wrote:

                      > > > >

                      > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children

                      > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find

                      > > DODs via the SSDI.

                      > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request

                      > > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference

                      > > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â

                      > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived

                      > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &

                      > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.

                      > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the

                      > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance

                      > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,

                      > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the

                      > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.

                      > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.

                      > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:

                      > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries

                      > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries

                      > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs

                      > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89

                      > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?

                      > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's

                      > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or

                      > > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in

                      > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in

                      > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral

                      > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the

                      > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the

                      > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,

                      > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in

                      > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have

                      > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the

                      > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do

                      > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the

                      > > photo),

                      > > > as

                      > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to

                      > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,

                      > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial

                      > > record.

                      > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper

                      > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns

                      > > that copyright.

                      > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the

                      > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is

                      > > printed.Â

                      > > > > Linda

                      > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:

                      > > > >

                      > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>

                      > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

                      > > ARCHIVES

                      > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM

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                      > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.

                      > > > >

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.

                      > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger

                      > > > >

                      > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island

                      > > > >

                      > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914

                      > > > >

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband

                      > > > >

                      > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and

                      > > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.

                      > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.

                      > > > >

                      > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries

                      > > > >

                      > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I

                      > > have made on Find a Grave for family members.

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                      > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.

                      > > > >

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > Mary

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:

                      > > > >

                      > > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not

                      > > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link

                      > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm

                      > > > >

                      > > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will

                      > > find links to all states and counties in the USA

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records

                      > > > >

                      > > > > >

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some

                      > > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it

                      > > > >

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                      > > > >

                      > > > > > From: Stefanie

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                      > > > >

                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

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                      > > > > > Mary,

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                      > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some

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                      > > > > > subscription sites where I can look.

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                    • mjbarnett23@ymail.com
                      Sadly None are mine. Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over. Thanks to all Mary
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                        Sadly None are mine.

                        Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over.

                        Thanks to all

                        Mary







                        --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, finnjordan4@... wrote:
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                        > Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland.
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                        > On 03/22/13, mjbarnett23@... wrote:
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                        > Lisa,
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                        > You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.
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                        > If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.
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                        > Mary
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                        > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                        > > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.
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                        > > Thanks again,
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                        > > Mary
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                        > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                        > > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
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                        > > > there. I don't know your
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                        > > > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
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                        > > > They are online at ancestry.com
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                        > > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
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                        > > > can't get the site to download the files.
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                        > > > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
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                        > > > Lisa
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                        > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
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                        > > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@
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                        > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
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                        > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                        > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
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                        > > > Hi to all,
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                        > > >
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                        > > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
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                        > > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
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                        > > >
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                        > > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
                        >
                        > > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                        >
                        > > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
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                        > > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
                        >
                        > > > etc etc and the same with the females.
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                        > > >
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                        > > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                        >
                        > > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                        >
                        > > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
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                        > > > 1844.
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                        > > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
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                        > > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
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                        > > >
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                        > > > Mary
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                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Lisa,
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
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                        > > > wouldn't be.
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
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                        > > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                        >
                        > > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
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                        > > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
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                        > > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                        >
                        > > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
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                        > > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
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                        > > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
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                        > > > your doorstep.
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
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                        > > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
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                        > > > got a job.
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
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                        > > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
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                        > > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
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                        > > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
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                        > > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
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                        > > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
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                        > > > a bagger on the payroll.Â
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
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                        > > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot
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                        > > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
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                        > > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
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                        > > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
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                        > > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
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                        > > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
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                        > > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
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                        > > > label. Bah-humbug!
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
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                        > > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
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                        > > > close by to home. Â
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                        > > > > Â
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                        > > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
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                        > > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
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                        > > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
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                        > > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
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                        > > > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
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                        > > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &
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                        > > > if she really had need of one.
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                        > > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
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                        > > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
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                        > > > > Linda
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                        > > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                        > > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
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                        > > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                        > > > ARCHIVES
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                        > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
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                        > > > > Hi Linda,
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                        > > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
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                        > > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
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                        > > > > Lisa
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                        > > > > lisa.lepore2@
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                        > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
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                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
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                        > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                        > > > ARCHIVES
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                        > > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
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                        > > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
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                        > > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
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                        > > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
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                        > > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
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                        > > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
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                        > > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
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                        > > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
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                        > > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
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                        > > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
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                        > > > > Linda
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                        > > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
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                        > > > <mjbarnett23@
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                        > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                        > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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                        > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
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                        > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                        > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
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                        > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                        > > > ARCHIVES
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                        > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
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                        > > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
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                        > > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
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                        > > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
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                        > > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
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                        > > > causes large problems in the site.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
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                        > > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
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                        > > > offer.
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                        > > > > Mary
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                        > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
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                        > > > wrote:
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                        > > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
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                        > > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
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                        > > > DODs via the SSDI.
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                        > > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
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                        > > > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
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                        > > > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
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                        > > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
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                        > > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
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                        > > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
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                        > > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
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                        > > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
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                        > > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
                        >
                        > > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                        >
                        > > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
                        >
                        > > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                        >
                        > > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
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                        > > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                        > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                        > > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
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                        > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                        > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                        > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                        > > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                      • Linda Peloquin
                        Just wanted to interject here that a small portion of Woonsocket was originally part of Smithfield.  And Cumberland was once known as Attleborough Gore & was
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                          Just wanted to interject here that a small portion of Woonsocket was originally part of Smithfield.  And Cumberland was once known as Attleborough Gore & was a part of Rehoboth.
                           
                          When the partition of Smithfield took place in 1871 creating the new towns of North Smithfield, Lincoln - which included up to 1898, Central Falls, and the now smaller Smithfield; a sliver of that partitioning was also given to the City of Woonsocket.
                           
                          I've never seen a map of what part of the original Smithfield was given to Woonsocket but maybe some of you Jillsons were in that  portion of Woonsocket that came from Smithfield.  All I have is a  History of RI published in 1878 which is how I knew of the partitioning of Smithfield.
                           
                          The section in this old history book on Cumberland also mentions that originally Cumberland as well as Pawtucket, Attleboro & most of Seekonk as well as that section of Swanzey & Barrington known as Wannamoisett were the town of Rehoboth, MA.
                           
                          3 purchases of land from the Natives made up this Rehoboth.   Attleboro & Cumberland made up the last purchase known as the North Purchase.   In case you run across the place Attleborough Gore that was located within the portion that eventually became Cumberland.
                           
                          1694 - The North Purchase is incorporated & takes the name Attleborough.
                           
                          1746 - Division of Attleborough begins with the section know as "The Gore" or "Attleborough Gore"  being partitioned off and becoming Cumberland. 
                           
                          There were further partitionings of Attleborough creating Pawtucket (which also acquired a portion of the original town of North Providence), and Seekonk along with a smaller Attleborough/Attleboro. but for this discussion the Cumberland split/creation is the one we're interested in.
                           
                          At this point in the discussion, I can't remember what you said you've checked & not checked.  Have you checked the old Smithfield records at Central Falls for the portion that was annexed to Woonsocket?  How about Rehoboth or Attleboro?
                           
                          Linda
                           

                          --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:


                          From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
                          Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                          To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 1:38 PM



                           





                          Sadly None are mine.

                          Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over.

                          Thanks to all

                          Mary

                          --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, finnjordan4@... wrote:
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                          > You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.
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                          > > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.
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                          > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                          > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
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                          > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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                          > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
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                          > > > > Hi Linda,
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                          > > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
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                          > > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
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                          > > > > Lisa
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                          > > > > lisa.lepore2@
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                          > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
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                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
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                          > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                          > > > ARCHIVES
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                          > > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
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                          > > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
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                          > > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
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                          > > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
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                          > > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
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                          > > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
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                          > > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
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                          > > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
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                          > > > > Linda
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                          > > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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                          > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
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                          > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
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                          > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                          > > > ARCHIVES
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                          > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
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                          > > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
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                          > > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
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                          > > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
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                          > > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
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                          > > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
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                          > > > > Mary
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                          > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
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                          > > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
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                          > > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
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                          > > > DODs via the SSDI.
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                          > > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
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                          > > > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
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                          > > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
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                          > > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
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                          > > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
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                          > > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
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                          > > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
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                          > > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
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                          > > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
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                          > > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
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                          > > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
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                          > > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                          > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                          > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
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                          > > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
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                          > > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
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                          > > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
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                          > > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
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                          > > > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published in
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                          > > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
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                          > > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
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                          > > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
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                          > > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
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                          > > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
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                          > > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
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                          > > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
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                          > > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
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                          > > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
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                          > > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
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                          > > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
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                          > > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
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                          > > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
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                          > > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
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                          > > > > > Linda
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                          > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                          > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
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                          > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                          > > > ARCHIVES
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                          > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                          > > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                          > > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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                          > > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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                          > > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
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                          > > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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                          > > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
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                          > > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
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                          > > > > > > From: Stefanie
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                          > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
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                          > > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        • mjbarnett23@ymail.com
                          Hi Linda, I just was getting my information ready for Monday. I am going back to Central Falls as that was where I made contact the first time with this line
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                            Hi Linda,

                            I just was getting my information ready for Monday. I am going back to Central Falls as that was where I made contact the first time with this line and have gone back only once to continue the search for the famous will of Randolph that proved the connection.

                            I never felt I followed thru enough there. One thing about there, they don't help you which is alright, but they don't bother either.
                            I have gone through the Rehoboth Vital records, there were a few Jillsons, not mine of course.

                            As far as Attleboro, I started there first, they had nothing on Jillson at least that's what they told me. They did the research, funny I don't remember the specifics, but the poor woman tried so hard.

                            I have gone through online records prior to 1850 for every area I can think of with multiple different spellings. I keep going back to those old records because marriage and births of children occurred in that time frame.

                            More than likely it will be a spelling transcription error. I found Luke today in one Census last name spelled Tillson. When I looked the J could have been taken for a T.

                            Thanks for all you are doing for me.

                            See my post on Oakland Grove Cemetery. Same old story.

                            Mary










                            --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
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                            > Just wanted to interject here that a small portion of Woonsocket was originally part of Smithfield.  And Cumberland was once known as Attleborough Gore & was a part of Rehoboth.
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                            > When the partition of Smithfield took place in 1871 creating the new towns of North Smithfield, Lincoln - which included up to 1898, Central Falls, and the now smaller Smithfield; a sliver of that partitioning was also given to the City of Woonsocket.
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                            > I've never seen a map of what part of the original Smithfield was given to Woonsocket but maybe some of you Jillsons were in that  portion of Woonsocket that came from Smithfield.  All I have is a  History of RI published in 1878 which is how I knew of the partitioning of Smithfield.
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                            > The section in this old history book on Cumberland also mentions that originally Cumberland as well as Pawtucket, Attleboro & most of Seekonk as well as that section of Swanzey & Barrington known as Wannamoisett were the town of Rehoboth, MA.
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                            > 3 purchases of land from the Natives made up this Rehoboth.   Attleboro & Cumberland made up the last purchase known as the North Purchase.   In case you run across the place Attleborough Gore that was located within the portion that eventually became Cumberland.
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                            > 1694 - The North Purchase is incorporated & takes the name Attleborough.
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                            > 1746 - Division of Attleborough begins with the section know as "The Gore" or "Attleborough Gore"  being partitioned off and becoming Cumberland. 
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                            > There were further partitionings of Attleborough creating Pawtucket (which also acquired a portion of the original town of North Providence), and Seekonk along with a smaller Attleborough/Attleboro. but for this discussion the Cumberland split/creation is the one we're interested in.
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                            > At this point in the discussion, I can't remember what you said you've checked & not checked.  Have you checked the old Smithfield records at Central Falls for the portion that was annexed to Woonsocket?  How about Rehoboth or Attleboro?
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                            > Linda
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                            > --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
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                            > From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
                            > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                            > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 1:38 PM
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                            > Sadly None are mine.
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                            > Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over.
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                            > Thanks to all
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                            > Mary
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                            > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, finnjordan4@ wrote:
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                            > > Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland.
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                            > > Mary
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                            > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                            > > > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.
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                            > > > Thanks again,
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                            > > >
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                            > > > Mary
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                            > > >
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                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
                            > >
                            > > > > there. I don't know your
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                            > >
                            > > > > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
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                            > > > > They are online at ancestry.com
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                            > > > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
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                            > > > > can't get the site to download the files.
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                            > > > > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
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                            > > > > Lisa
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                            > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
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                            > > > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@
                            > >
                            > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
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                            > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                            > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
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                            > > > > Hi to all,
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                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
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                            > > > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
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                            > > > >
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                            > > > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
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                            > > > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                            > >
                            > > > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
                            > >
                            > > > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
                            > >
                            > > > > etc etc and the same with the females.
                            > >
                            > > > >
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                            > > > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                            > >
                            > > > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                            > >
                            > > > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
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                            > > > > 1844.
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                            > > > >
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                            > > > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
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                            > > > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > Mary
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                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > > Lisa,
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
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                            > > > > wouldn't be.
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
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                            > > > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
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                            > > > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
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                            > > > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
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                            > > > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                            > >
                            > > > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
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                            > > > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
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                            > > > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
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                            > > > > your doorstep.
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
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                            > > > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
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                            > > > > got a job.
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
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                            > > > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
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                            > > > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                            > >
                            > > > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
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                            > > > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
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                            > > > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
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                            > > > > a bagger on the payroll.Â
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
                            > >
                            > > > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking lot
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                            > > > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
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                            > > > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
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                            > > > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
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                            > > > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
                            > >
                            > > > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
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                            > > > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
                            > >
                            > > > > label. Bah-humbug!
                            > >
                            > > > > > Â
                            > >
                            > > > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
                            > >
                            > > > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                            > >
                            > > > > close by to home. Â
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
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                            > > > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                            > >
                            > > > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
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                            > > > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
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                            > > > > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's gone."
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &
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                            > > > > if she really had need of one.
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                            > > > > > Â
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                            > > > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
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                            > > > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
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                            > > > > > Â
                            > >
                            > > > > > Linda
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                            > > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                            > > > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
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                            > > > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                            > > > > ARCHIVES
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                            > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
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                            > > > > > Hi Linda,
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                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
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                            > > > > tax records are public?
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                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
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                            > > > > > Lisa
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                            > > > > > lisa.lepore2@
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                            > > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
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                            > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
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                            > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                            > > > > ARCHIVES
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                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
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                            > > > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
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                            > > > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
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                            > > > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
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                            > > > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
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                            > > > > adjacent stone?
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                            > > > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
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                            > > > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
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                            > > > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
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                            > > > > her.
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                            > > > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
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                            > > > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
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                            > > > > > Linda
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                            > > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > <mjbarnett23@
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                            > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                            > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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                            > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
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                            > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                            > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
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                            > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                            > > > > ARCHIVES
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                            > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
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                            > > > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
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                            > > > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
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                            > > > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
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                            > > > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
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                            > > > > causes large problems in the site.
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                            > > > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
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                            > > > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
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                            > > > > offer.
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                            > > > > > Mary
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                            > > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                            > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
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                            > > > > wrote:
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                            > > > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
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                            > > > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
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                            > > > > DODs via the SSDI.
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                            > > > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
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                            > > > > an obitÃÆ'‚ search &ÃÆ'‚ copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
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                            > > > > Services at the Providence Public Library. ÃÆ'‚
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                            > > > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
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                            > > > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
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                            > > > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
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                            > > > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
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                            > > > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
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                            > > > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
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                            > > > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
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                            > > > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
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                            > > > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
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                            > > > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
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                            > > > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                            > > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                            > > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
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                            > > > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
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                            > > > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
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                            > > > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
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                            > > > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
                            > >
                            > > > > you are the author of the obituary.ÃÆ'‚ Some obituaries that were published in
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                            > > > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
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                            > > > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
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                            > > > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
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                            > > > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
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                            > > > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
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                            > > > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
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                            > > > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
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                            > > > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
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                            > > > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published.ÃÆ'‚ Please do
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                            > > > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
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                            > > > > photo),
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                            > > > > > as
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                            > > > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
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                            > > > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
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                            > > > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                            > >
                            > > > > record.
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                            > > > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                            > >
                            > > > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                            > >
                            > > > > that copyright.
                            > >
                            > > > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                            > >
                            > > > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
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                            > > > > printed.ÃÆ'‚
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                            > > > > > > Linda
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                            > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                            > > > > > >
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                            > > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
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                            > > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                            > > > > ARCHIVES
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                            > > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                            > > > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                            > > > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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                            > > > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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                            > > > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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                            > > > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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                            > > > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
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                            > > > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and
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                            > > > > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
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                            > > > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
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                            > > > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
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                            > > > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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                            > > > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
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                            > > > > have made on Find a Grave for family members.
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                            Wickipedia states Woon Falls Village founded in 1820. As a town, Woon was est. 1867 and incorporated in 1888. On 03/22/13, Linda Peloquin wrote: Just wanted to
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                              Wickipedia states Woon Falls Village founded in 1820. As a town, Woon was est. 1867 and incorporated in 1888.


                              On 03/22/13, Linda Peloquin wrote:






























                              Just wanted to interject here that a small portion of Woonsocket was originally part of Smithfield. And Cumberland was once known as Attleborough Gore & was a part of Rehoboth.



                              When the partition of Smithfield took place in 1871 creating the new towns of North Smithfield, Lincoln - which included up to 1898, Central Falls, and the now smaller Smithfield; a sliver of that partitioning was also given to the City of Woonsocket.



                              I've never seen a map of what part of the original Smithfield was given to Woonsocket but maybe some of you Jillsons were in that portion of Woonsocket that came from Smithfield. All I have is a History of RI published in 1878 which is how I knew of the partitioning of Smithfield.



                              The section in this old history book on Cumberland also mentions that originally Cumberland as well as Pawtucket, Attleboro & most of Seekonk as well as that section of Swanzey & Barrington known as Wannamoisett were the town of Rehoboth, MA.



                              3 purchases of land from the Natives made up this Rehoboth. Attleboro & Cumberland made up the last purchase known as the North Purchase. In case you run across the place Attleborough Gore that was located within the portion that eventually became Cumberland.



                              1694 - The North Purchase is incorporated & takes the name Attleborough.



                              1746 - Division of Attleborough begins with the section know as "The Gore" or "Attleborough Gore" being partitioned off and becoming Cumberland.



                              There were further partitionings of Attleborough creating Pawtucket (which also acquired a portion of the original town of North Providence), and Seekonk along with a smaller Attleborough/Attleboro. but for this discussion the Cumberland split/creation is the one we're interested in.



                              At this point in the discussion, I can't remember what you said you've checked & not checked. Have you checked the old Smithfield records at Central Falls for the portion that was annexed to Woonsocket? How about Rehoboth or Attleboro?



                              Linda





                              --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:



                              From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>

                              Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES

                              To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

                              Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 1:38 PM







                              Sadly None are mine.



                              Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over.



                              Thanks to all



                              Mary



                              --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, finnjordan4@... wrote:

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                              > Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland.

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                              > On 03/22/13, mjbarnett23@... wrote:

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                              > You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.

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                              > If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.

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                              > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:

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                              > > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.

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                              > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:

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                              > > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in

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                              > > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@

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                              > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM

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                              > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

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                              > > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry

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                              > > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.

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                              > > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have

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                              > > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and

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                              > > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children

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                              > > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10

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                              > > > etc etc and the same with the females.

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                              > > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the

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                              > > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr

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                              > > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past

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                              > > > 1844.

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                              > > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does

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                              > > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!

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                              > > > Mary

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                              > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:

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                              > > > > Lisa,

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they

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                              > > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.�?

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot

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                              > > > more service.�? I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my

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                              > > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to

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                              > > > visit her older brother.�? My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.�?

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because

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                              > > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &

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                              > > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,

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                              > > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.�? �? You

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                              > > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,

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                              > > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker

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                              > > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual�? but

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                              > > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &

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                              > > > bagging, too.�? More profit for them I guess because I don't see them

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                              > > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, �? or even close

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                              > > > to commensurate,�? to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &

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                              > > > a bagger on the payroll.�?

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some

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                              > > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in�? from the boonies of the parking lot

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                              > > > in�? the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc.�? to get

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                              > > > to the door�? & then trudge through a huge box store to shop�? that has�? no

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                              > > > knowledgeable staff on the floor�? if you need help or have a question and is

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                              > > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country�? or if

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                              > > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of�? abt. maybe a

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                              > > > dozen�? major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the

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                              > > > label.�? Bah-humbug!

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                              > > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress.�? There were a lot of

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                              > > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non

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                              > > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere

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                              > > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the

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                              > > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.�? �? Like the�? Joni Mitchell�? song said,

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                              > > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived &

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore

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                              > > > > �?

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                              > > > > Linda

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                              > > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:

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                              > > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>

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                              > > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

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                              > > > ARCHIVES

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                              > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM

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                              > > > > Hi Linda,

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                              > > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.

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                              > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin

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                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM

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                              > > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the

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                              > > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property

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                              > > > > Linda

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                              > > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>

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                              > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@

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                              > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >

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                              > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

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                              > > > ARCHIVES

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                              > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM

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                              > > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,

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                              > > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the

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                              > > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is

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                              > > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It

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                              > > > causes large problems in the site.

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                              > > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the

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                              > > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to

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                              > > > offer.

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                              > > > >

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                              > > > > Mary

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                              > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>

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                              > > > wrote:

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                              > > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children

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                              > > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find

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                              > > > DODs via the SSDI.

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                              > > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request

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                              > > > an obit�?�? search &�?�? copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference

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                              > > > Services at the Providence Public Library. �?�?

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                              > > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived

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                              > > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &

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                              > > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.

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                              > > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the

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                              > > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance

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                              > > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,

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                              > > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the

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                              > > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.

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                              > > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.

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                              > > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:

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                              > > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries

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                              > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries

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                              > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs

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                              > > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89

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                              > > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?

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                              > > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's

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                              > > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or

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                              > > > you are the author of the obituary.�?�? Some obituaries that were published in

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                              > > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in

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                              > > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral

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                              > > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the

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                              > > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the

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                              > > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,

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                              > > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in

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                              > > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have

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                              > > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the

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                              > > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published.�?�? Please do

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                              > > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the

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                              > > > photo),

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                              > > > > as

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                              > > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to

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                              > > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,

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                              > > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial

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                              > > > record.

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                              > > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper

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                              > > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns

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                              > > > that copyright.

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                              > > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the

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                              > > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is

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                              > > > printed.�?�?

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                              > > > > > Linda

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                              > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:

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                              > > > > >

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                              > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>

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                              > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

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                              > > > ARCHIVES

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                              > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM

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                              > > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.

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                              > > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.

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                              > > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger

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                              > > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island

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                              > > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914

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                              > > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband

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                              > > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and

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                              > > > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.

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                              > > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.

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                              > > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.

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                              > > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries

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                              > > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I

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                              > > > have made on Find a Grave for family members.

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                              > > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.

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                              > > > > > Mary

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                              > > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:

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                              > > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not

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                              > > > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link

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                              > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm

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                              > > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will

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                              > > > find links to all states and counties in the USA

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                              > > > > >

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                              > > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records

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                              > > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some

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                              > > > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it

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                              > > > > > > From: Stefanie

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                              > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM

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                              > > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

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                              > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY

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                              > > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some

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                            • Lisa Lepore
                              If you had any that lived past 1936 that are missing a birth record you might try looking for a delayed record. They would have needed a birth certificate if
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                                If you had any that lived past 1936 that are missing a birth record you
                                might try looking for a delayed record.

                                They would have needed a birth certificate if they signed up for social
                                security.



                                Lisa





                                From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                                Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
                                Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:34 AM
                                To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES





                                Hi Lisa,

                                Yes, and this family like all others had many members of varied income
                                levels. Not all can be rich. From what I have learned from my branch they
                                had members at many levels. Directs seem to be farmers, and yet Luke the one
                                I am searching was listed in the Jillson book as a mechanic. Obituaries are
                                really hard to locate. Even when my grandfather died in 1937 it was only a
                                one or two line entry about service and burial.

                                Thanks for the information.

                                Mary

                                --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                , "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Registration of records wasn't required until at least the mid 1800's, and
                                > it was voluntary when it first started.
                                >
                                > People had to pay to register these events so it would make sense that
                                poor
                                > people were less likely to do this.
                                >
                                > Since it was voluntary, the town had no reason to seek them out.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Some towns did a good job of recording events and others did not.
                                >
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                                >
                                > In this early time period you could try to find church records, or family
                                > bibles, or cemetery records
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                                >
                                > I'm guessing you already looked at the Barbour records?
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Lisa
                                >
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                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                ] On
                                > Behalf Of Quiche
                                > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:06 PM
                                > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                ARCHIVES
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                                >
                                > Mary, a lot of times there are just no vital records for certain people
                                > during the early 1800s. I often find that to be the case in RI and CT.
                                After
                                > a research expedition to Chaplin, CT this winter, where I could find no
                                > vitals for people who I definitely knew lived there from census records, I
                                > finally had a realization.
                                >
                                > If the people were shifting farm laborers or mill workers, I don't think
                                the
                                > towns wanted to keep records for them. They weren't considered part of the
                                > community and the town did not want to be responsible for poor relief to
                                > these people. Just a theory - but after innumerable times of not finding
                                the
                                > records I thought that would be there in town halls throughout Rhode
                                Island
                                > and Connecticut, that is what I am concluding.
                                >
                                > Lorraine
                                >
                                > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > , "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                                > >
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                                > > Hi to all,
                                > >
                                > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto
                                > Ancestry for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                                > >
                                > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They
                                > have been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson
                                > and Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the
                                > children are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males
                                > over 10 etc etc and the same with the females.
                                > >
                                > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in
                                the
                                > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                                > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                                > > 1844.
                                > >
                                > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence
                                > does pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like
                                > dancing!!!!!!!
                                > >
                                > > Mary
                                > >
                                > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                                > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Lisa,
                                > > > Â
                                > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why
                                they
                                > wouldn't be.
                                > > > Â
                                > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                                > > > Â
                                > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                                > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                                > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
                                > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                                > > > Â
                                > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                                > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                                > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a
                                truck,
                                > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                                > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
                                > your doorstep.
                                > > > Â
                                > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                                > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my
                                Mom
                                > got a job.
                                > > > Â
                                > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly
                                snooker
                                > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usualÂ
                                but
                                > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                                > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                                > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even
                                close
                                > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person
                                &
                                > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                                > > > Â
                                > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in
                                > some massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the
                                parking
                                > lot in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to
                                > get to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that hasÂ
                                > no knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question
                                and
                                > is jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor countryÂ
                                or
                                > if non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt.
                                > maybe a dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is
                                on
                                > the label. Bah-humbug!
                                > > > Â
                                > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot
                                > of things more attractive & less stressful about having every need
                                supplied
                                > close by to home. Â
                                > > > Â
                                > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                                > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                                > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                                > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song
                                said,
                                > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's
                                gone."
                                > > > Â
                                > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she
                                lived
                                > & if she really had need of one.
                                > > > Â
                                > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                                > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                                > > > Â
                                > > > Linda
                                > > >
                                > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                                > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO
                                OBITUARY
                                > ARCHIVES
                                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                >
                                > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Â
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                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Hi Linda,
                                > > >
                                > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if
                                vehicle
                                > tax records are public?
                                > > >
                                > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                                > > >
                                > > > Lisa
                                > > >
                                > > > lisa.lepore2@
                                > > >
                                > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                                > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                >
                                > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO
                                OBITUARY
                                > ARCHIVES
                                > > >
                                > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for
                                the
                                > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
                                > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
                                > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                                > > >
                                > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                                > adjacent stone?
                                > > >
                                > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the
                                the
                                > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark
                                to
                                > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                                > her.
                                > > >
                                > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at
                                > property tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                                > > >
                                > > > Linda
                                > > >
                                > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                                > <mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                                > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                                > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                > ARCHIVES
                                > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                                > > >
                                > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                                > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                                > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                                > causes large problems in the site.
                                > > >
                                > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about
                                the
                                > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                                > offer.
                                > > >
                                > > > Mary
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                                > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                                > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can
                                find
                                > DODs via the SSDI.
                                > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then
                                request
                                > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from
                                Reference
                                > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                                > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the
                                > archived copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to
                                > search for & make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                                > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                                > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with
                                assistance
                                > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference
                                material,
                                > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                                > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a
                                memorial.
                                > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                                > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                                > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                                > &page=listFaqs
                                > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                                > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                                > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an
                                > individual's memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper
                                > to do so or you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that
                                were
                                > published in 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general,
                                > obituaries in newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from
                                > the funeral home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it
                                should
                                > list the newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in
                                > the Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition,
                                April
                                > 11, 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving
                                relatives
                                > in the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                                > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating
                                the
                                > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
                                > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
                                > photo),
                                > > > as
                                > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right
                                > to remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records.
                                Similarly,
                                > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                                > record.
                                > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                                > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                                > that copyright.
                                > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                                > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                                > printed.Â
                                > > > > Linda
                                > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
                                > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                > ARCHIVES
                                > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                                > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
                                > > > >
                                > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
                                > > > >
                                > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her
                                husband
                                > > > >
                                > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964
                                > and they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had
                                > her.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the
                                memorials
                                > I have made on Find a Grave for family members.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Mary
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
                                > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
                                > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
                                > find links to all states and counties in the USA
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
                                > unscrupulous people who will copy and sell it
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > From: Stefanie
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                OBITUARY
                                > ARCHIVES
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                                > > > > > Mary,
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                                > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > subscription sites where I can look.
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                              • Lisa Lepore
                                I’m not sure if you are saying you didn’t find them in Arnold or you didn’t look in Arnold. If you haven’t looked, check it out. I found Cumberland in
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                                  I’m not sure if you are saying you didn’t find them in Arnold or you didn’t
                                  look in Arnold. If you haven’t looked, check it out.



                                  I found Cumberland in Vol 3 of Arnold. Do you have a subscription to
                                  ancestry.com? If so, just search for Jillson, and they will come up.

                                  It’s under the category of Stories and Publications, not the historical
                                  records.



                                  I saw a Luke Jillson in there, age 68, died at Cumberland 06 Jan 1823



                                  Lisa







                                  From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
                                  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:38 PM
                                  To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES







                                  Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds
                                  books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the
                                  Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the
                                  Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my
                                  missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage
                                  date.

                                  Thanks again,

                                  Mary

                                  --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  , "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
                                  > there. I don't know your
                                  >
                                  > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > They are online at ancestry.com
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
                                  > can't get the site to download the files.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Lisa
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  ] On
                                  > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
                                  > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
                                  > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                  ARCHIVES
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi to all,
                                  >
                                  > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto
                                  Ancestry
                                  > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                                  >
                                  > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They
                                  have
                                  > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                                  > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
                                  > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
                                  > etc etc and the same with the females.
                                  >
                                  > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
                                  > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
                                  > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                                  > 1844.
                                  >
                                  > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence
                                  does
                                  > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
                                  >
                                  > Mary
                                  >
                                  > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Lisa,
                                  > > Â
                                  > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
                                  > wouldn't be.
                                  > > Â
                                  > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                                  > > Â
                                  > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                                  > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
                                  > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
                                  > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                                  > > Â
                                  > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                                  > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                                  > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a
                                  truck,
                                  > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                                  > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
                                  > your doorstep.
                                  > > Â
                                  > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                                  > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my
                                  Mom
                                  > got a job.
                                  > > Â
                                  > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
                                  > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usualÂ
                                  but
                                  > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                                  > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                                  > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even
                                  close
                                  > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person
                                  &
                                  > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                                  > > Â
                                  > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in
                                  some
                                  > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking
                                  lot
                                  > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
                                  > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
                                  > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and
                                  is
                                  > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or
                                  if
                                  > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe
                                  a
                                  > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
                                  > label. Bah-humbug!
                                  > > Â
                                  > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
                                  > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                                  > close by to home. Â
                                  > > Â
                                  > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                                  > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China & elsewhere
                                  > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                                  > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song
                                  said,
                                  > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's
                                  gone."
                                  > > Â
                                  > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she lived
                                  &
                                  > if she really had need of one.
                                  > > Â
                                  > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                                  > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                                  > > Â
                                  > > Linda
                                  > >
                                  > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                                  > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                  > ARCHIVES
                                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Â
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Hi Linda,
                                  > >
                                  > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if vehicle
                                  > tax records are public?
                                  > >
                                  > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                                  > >
                                  > > Lisa
                                  > >
                                  > > lisa.lepore2@
                                  > >
                                  > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                                  > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                  > ARCHIVES
                                  > >
                                  > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
                                  > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
                                  > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
                                  > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                                  > >
                                  > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                                  > adjacent stone?
                                  > >
                                  > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
                                  > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark
                                  to
                                  > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                                  > her.
                                  > >
                                  > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at
                                  property
                                  > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                                  > >
                                  > > Linda
                                  > >
                                  > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                                  > <mjbarnett23@
                                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                                  > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                                  > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                  > ARCHIVES
                                  > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                                  > >
                                  > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                                  > >
                                  > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                                  > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                                  > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                                  > causes large problems in the site.
                                  > >
                                  > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
                                  > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                                  > offer.
                                  > >
                                  > > Mary
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                                  > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can
                                  find
                                  > DODs via the SSDI.
                                  > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
                                  > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from
                                  Reference
                                  > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                                  > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the
                                  archived
                                  > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
                                  > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                                  > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                                  > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with
                                  assistance
                                  > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference
                                  material,
                                  > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                                  > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a
                                  memorial.
                                  > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
                                  > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                                  > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                  > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                  > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                  <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                                  > &page=listFaqs
                                  > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                                  > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                                  > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an
                                  individual's
                                  > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
                                  > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were published
                                  in
                                  > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
                                  > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
                                  > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
                                  > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
                                  > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April
                                  11,
                                  > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
                                  > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                                  > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating
                                  the
                                  > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please do
                                  > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
                                  > photo),
                                  > > as
                                  > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right
                                  to
                                  > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
                                  > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                                  > record.
                                  > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                                  > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
                                  > that copyright.
                                  > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                                  > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                                  > printed.Â
                                  > > > Linda
                                  > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
                                  > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                  > ARCHIVES
                                  > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
                                  > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
                                  > > >
                                  > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
                                  > > >
                                  > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
                                  > > >
                                  > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964
                                  and
                                  > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials
                                  I
                                  > have made on Find a Grave for family members.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Mary



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                                  Mary, No, I’m sorry. I’ve lost my mind. Barbour is for Connecticut and I was looking for some information there for someone else. A similar set of
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                                    Mary, No, I’m sorry. I’ve lost my mind. Barbour is for Connecticut and I
                                    was looking for some information there for someone else.



                                    A similar set of records for RI would be Arnold. In addition to the grave
                                    records Arnold used church records and newspaper listings.



                                    I mentioned them in my other message.



                                    Sorry for the confusion.



                                    Lisa





                                    From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    Behalf Of mjbarnett23@...
                                    Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:41 PM
                                    To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES





                                    Lisa,

                                    You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for
                                    Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They
                                    are related but not of the family I am searching for.

                                    If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.

                                    Mary

                                    --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    , "mjbarnett23@..." <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds
                                    books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the
                                    Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the
                                    Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my
                                    missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage
                                    date.
                                    >
                                    > Thanks again,
                                    >
                                    > Mary
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@>
                                    wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson
                                    in
                                    > > there. I don't know your
                                    > >
                                    > > people, so I can't tell you if it's them, but do take a look.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > They are online at ancestry.com
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but
                                    I
                                    > > can't get the site to download the files.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > http://onerhodeislandfamily.com/free-rhode-island-resources/
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Lisa
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    ] On
                                    > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@
                                    > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
                                    > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>

                                    > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                    ARCHIVES
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Hi to all,
                                    > >
                                    > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto
                                    Ancestry
                                    > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
                                    > >
                                    > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They
                                    have
                                    > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
                                    > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the
                                    children
                                    > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over
                                    10
                                    > > etc etc and the same with the females.
                                    > >
                                    > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in
                                    the
                                    > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my
                                    gr
                                    > > great grandfather and his one sister lived past
                                    > > 1844.
                                    > >
                                    > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence
                                    does
                                    > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
                                    > >
                                    > > Mary
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Lisa,
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why
                                    they
                                    > > wouldn't be.
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
                                    > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/
                                    my
                                    > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol
                                    to
                                    > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
                                    > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
                                    > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a
                                    truck,
                                    > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
                                    > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came
                                    to
                                    > > your doorstep.
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
                                    > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my
                                    Mom
                                    > > got a job.
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly
                                    snooker
                                    > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usualÂ
                                    but
                                    > > helping them to eliminate more jobs by doing your own checking out &
                                    > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
                                    > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even
                                    close
                                    > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout
                                    person &
                                    > > a bagger on the payroll.Â
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in
                                    some
                                    > > massive parking lot or garage, trek in from the boonies of the parking
                                    lot
                                    > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to
                                    get
                                    > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that hasÂ
                                    no
                                    > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question
                                    and is
                                    > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor countryÂ
                                    or if
                                    > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt.
                                    maybe a
                                    > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
                                    > > label. Bah-humbug!
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot
                                    of
                                    > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
                                    > > close by to home. Â
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
                                    > > descript box stores, overpriced - low quality goods from China &
                                    elsewhere
                                    > > and having to walk miles through a giant supermarket just to get to the
                                    > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song
                                    said,
                                    > > "Don't it always seem to go, You don't know what you've got til it's
                                    gone."
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > I guess whether or not Blanche had a car would depend on where she
                                    lived &
                                    > > if she really had need of one.
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
                                    > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > > Linda
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
                                    > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO
                                    OBITUARY
                                    > > ARCHIVES
                                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Â
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hi Linda,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You mentioned property tax records, but that makes me wonder if
                                    vehicle
                                    > > tax records are public?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Maybe Blanche owned a car? Questionable in 1964, but you never know.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Lisa
                                    > > >
                                    > > > lisa.lepore2@
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
                                    > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
                                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO
                                    OBITUARY
                                    > > ARCHIVES
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for
                                    the
                                    > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence
                                    City
                                    > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see
                                    if
                                    > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
                                    > > adjacent stone?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the
                                    the
                                    > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr
                                    mark to
                                    > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
                                    > > her.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at
                                    property
                                    > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Linda
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
                                    > > <mjbarnett23@
                                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
                                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
                                    > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
                                    > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
                                    > > ARCHIVES
                                    > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
                                    > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
                                    > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
                                    > > causes large problems in the site.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about
                                    the
                                    > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
                                    > > offer.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mary
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin
                                    <miyukichan0987@>
                                    > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
                                    > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can
                                    find
                                    > > DODs via the SSDI.
                                    > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then
                                    request
                                    > > an obit search & copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from
                                    Reference
                                    > > Services at the Providence Public Library. Â
                                    > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the
                                    archived
                                    > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for
                                    &
                                    > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
                                    > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
                                    > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with
                                    assistance
                                    > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference
                                    material,
                                    > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
                                    > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a
                                    memorial.
                                    > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still
                                    alive.
                                    > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
                                    > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                    > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                    > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
                                    <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
                                    > &page=listFaqs
                                    > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
                                    > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
                                    > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an
                                    individual's
                                    > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so
                                    or
                                    > > you are the author of the obituary. Some obituaries that were
                                    published in
                                    > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
                                    > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
                                    > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list
                                    the
                                    > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
                                    > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April
                                    11,
                                    > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives
                                    in
                                    > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
                                    > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating
                                    the
                                    > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published. Please
                                    do
                                    > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took
                                    the
                                    > > photo),
                                    > > > as
                                    > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right
                                    to
                                    > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records.
                                    Similarly,
                                    > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
                                    > > record.
                                    > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
                                    > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company
                                    owns
                                    > > that copyright.
                                    > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
                                    > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
                                    > > printed.Â
                                    > > > > Linda
                                    > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
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                                    > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                                    > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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                                    > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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                                    > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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                                    > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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                                    > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her
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                                    > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
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                                    > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
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                                    > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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                                    > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
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                                    > > > > Mary
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                                    > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                    > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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                                    > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
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                                    > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
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                                    > > > > > each state and/or county has achieves for all vital records
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                                    > > > > > all of the information at the USGenWeb is free, there are some
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                                    > > > > > From: Stefanie
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                                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
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                                    > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                  • Linda Peloquin
                                    Hi Mary,   I can see how this can be so frustrating.  Maybe as the LDS gets more on line something will turn up.   My own elusive ancestor hunt is for one
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                                      Hi Mary,
                                       
                                      I can see how this can be so frustrating.  Maybe as the LDS gets more on line something will turn up.
                                       
                                      My own elusive ancestor hunt is for one Johannes DeBow/DeBoog of /New Amsterdam/Manhattan said to be a baker & father of my ancestor Gerrit DeBow. 
                                       
                                      I've got fairly good documentation from arrival in 1649 of the family up to Johannes and from Gerrit forward but all I can ever find on Gerrit's father Johannes is mentions in old histories that he was a baker in NYC/Manhattan & he was Garrit's father.  Nothing else.
                                       
                                      So, if it makes you feel somewhat better, you've got company & I'm sure I'm not the only one making the frustration trip with you.
                                       
                                      Linda

                                      --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:


                                      From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
                                      Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                                      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      Hi Linda,

                                      I just was getting my information ready for Monday. I am going back to Central Falls as that was where I made contact the first time with this line and have gone back only once to continue the search for the famous will of Randolph that proved the connection.

                                      I never felt I followed thru enough there. One thing about there, they don't help you which is alright, but they don't bother either.
                                      I have gone through the Rehoboth Vital records, there were a few Jillsons, not mine of course.

                                      As far as Attleboro, I started there first, they had nothing on Jillson at least that's what they told me. They did the research, funny I don't remember the specifics, but the poor woman tried so hard.

                                      I have gone through online records prior to 1850 for every area I can think of with multiple different spellings. I keep going back to those old records because marriage and births of children occurred in that time frame.

                                      More than likely it will be a spelling transcription error. I found Luke today in one Census last name spelled Tillson. When I looked the J could have been taken for a T.

                                      Thanks for all you are doing for me.

                                      See my post on Oakland Grove Cemetery. Same old story.

                                      Mary

                                      --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:
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                                      > Just wanted to interject here that a small portion of Woonsocket was originally part of Smithfield.  And Cumberland was once known as Attleborough Gore & was a part of Rehoboth.
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                                      > When the partition of Smithfield took place in 1871 creating the new towns of North Smithfield, Lincoln - which included up to 1898, Central Falls, and the now smaller Smithfield; a sliver of that partitioning was also given to the City of Woonsocket.
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                                      > I've never seen a map of what part of the original Smithfield was given to Woonsocket but maybe some of you Jillsons were in that  portion of Woonsocket that came from Smithfield.  All I have is a  History of RI published in 1878 which is how I knew of the partitioning of Smithfield.
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                                      > The section in this old history book on Cumberland also mentions that originally Cumberland as well as Pawtucket, Attleboro & most of Seekonk as well as that section of Swanzey & Barrington known as Wannamoisett were the town of Rehoboth, MA.
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                                      > 3 purchases of land from the Natives made up this Rehoboth.   Attleboro & Cumberland made up the last purchase known as the North Purchase.   In case you run across the place Attleborough Gore that was located within the portion that eventually became Cumberland.
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                                      > 1694 - The North Purchase is incorporated & takes the name Attleborough.
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                                      > 1746 - Division of Attleborough begins with the section know as "The Gore" or "Attleborough Gore"  being partitioned off and becoming Cumberland. 
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                                      > There were further partitionings of Attleborough creating Pawtucket (which also acquired a portion of the original town of North Providence), and Seekonk along with a smaller Attleborough/Attleboro. but for this discussion the Cumberland split/creation is the one we're interested in.
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                                      > At this point in the discussion, I can't remember what you said you've checked & not checked.  Have you checked the old Smithfield records at Central Falls for the portion that was annexed to Woonsocket?  How about Rehoboth or Attleboro?
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                                      > Linda
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                                      > --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...> wrote:
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                                      > From: mjbarnett23@... <mjbarnett23@...>
                                      > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
                                      > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      > Sadly None are mine.
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                                      > Everyone is trying so hard, I am just about to give up, been through everything over and over and over.
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                                      > Thanks to all
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                                      > Mary
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                                      > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, finnjordan4@ wrote:
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                                      > > Check out Vol 21, pg 307 in the Arnold Collection. There are a few Jillson deaths from Cumberland.
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                                      > > You mentioned the Barbour Books, I only found Connecticut records for Barbour's records. There were many Jillsons who moved to Connecticut. They are related but not of the family I am searching for.
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                                      > > If you know if there are RI Barbour records , please let me know.
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                                      > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "mjbarnett23@" <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                                      > > > Sorry to be late in replying Lisa, no I have not found them in the Arnolds books, I have never been able to get Cumberland or Woonsocket Records in the Arnold Books . Got many other towns and counties. I did confirm them in the Ballou Family by Adin Ballou as they intermarried with Jillsons just not my missing ancestors. They were listed however as to birth date and marriage date.
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                                      > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lepore" <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                                      > > > > Have you looked at the Arnold books? There are a good number of Jillson in
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                                      > > > > By the way, I did try to look using the link Linda posted last week, but I
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                                      > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On
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                                      > > > > Behalf Of mjbarnett23@
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                                      > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:51 PM
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                                      > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY ARCHIVES
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                                      > > > > Seems I am always posting negative searches. I just went back onto Ancestry
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                                      > > > > for the 1830 and 1840 censuses which are now updated.
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                                      > > > > For over 10 years I have been fighting with Cumberland Town Hall. They have
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                                      > > > > been telling me they have no records on the children of Luke Jillson and
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                                      > > > > Elizabeth Aldrich. I just printed out the 1840 census and all the children
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                                      > > > > are listed under the appropriate boxes: ie: Males under 5 , males over 10
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                                      > > > > They may not have birth records if home births, but they do appear in the
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                                      > > > > censuses. Now where are the death records of these same people? Only my gr
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                                      > > > > I feel like a part of the brick wall has come down. Yippee, persistence does
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                                      > > > > pay off. Sounds miniscule but to me it makes me feel like dancing!!!!!!!
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                                      > > > > Mary
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                                      > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@> wrote:
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                                      > > > > > Lisa,
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                                      > > > > > Good question although they are a public record so I don't see why they
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                                      > > > > > I don't know if Blanche would have had a car or needed one.Â
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                                      > > > > > RIPTA or whatever the public bus system was called back then had a lot
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                                      > > > > more service. I lived in Prov as a child & I used to catch the bus w/ my
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                                      > > > > late Aunt Mary and we'd go from Prov. to the Veteran's Home in Bristol to
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                                      > > > > visit her older brother. My Mom & I too, would go all over bus.Â
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                                      > > > > > In city, we didn't need a second car for my Mom to get around because
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                                      > > > > everything - butcher's, grocery store, bakeries, 5 & 10 store, shoe &
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                                      > > > > clothing stores, hardware, fabric stores, veggie guy came around in a truck,
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                                      > > > > milk was home delivery, doctors & dentists were everywhere, etc.  You
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                                      > > > > name it & it was either within walking distance, on a bus route or came to
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                                      > > > > > It wasn't until about the mid 1960's, the period were discussing here,
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                                      > > > > that my parents got a second car because we'd moved into the 'burbs & my Mom
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                                      > > > > > What a contrast to today where if the corporations can possibly snooker
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                                      > > > > enough people, you'll not only be doing all your own shopping as usual but
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                                      > > > > bagging, too. More profit for them I guess because I don't see them
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                                      > > > > offering discounts on the self checkout lines commensurate, Â or even close
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                                      > > > > to commensurate, to the money they're saving not having a checkout person &
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                                      > > > > a bagger on the payroll.Â
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                                      > > > > > And all that after you've had to drive miles, fight traffic, park in some
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                                      > > > > in the blazing sun, pouring rain, snow or slush, gale winds, etc. to get
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                                      > > > > to the door & then trudge through a huge box store to shop that has no
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                                      > > > > knowledgeable staff on the floor if you need help or have a question and is
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                                      > > > > jammed w/products all made in China or some other slave labor country or if
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                                      > > > > non perishables in the supermarket, all manufactured by one of abt. maybe a
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                                      > > > > dozen major corporations irrespective of what the brand name is on the
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                                      > > > > > I have to wonder if today's way is really progress. There were a lot of
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                                      > > > > things more attractive & less stressful about having every need supplied
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                                      > > > > > Or maybe I'm just getting old and crabby & sick of traffic, huge non
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                                      > > > > essentials in meat, dairy & produce.  Like the Joni Mitchell song said,
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                                      > > > > > At this point, there don't seem to be too many options left to explore
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                                      > > > > especially since living family are unreceptive to contact.
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                                      > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/16/13, Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@> wrote:
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                                      > > > > > From: Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@>
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                                      > > > > > Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                                      > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > > From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > ] On Behalf Of Linda Peloquin
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                                      > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:45 PM
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                                      > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                                      > > > > ARCHIVES
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                                      > > > > > Well Mary, then I'm sure you've also checked the burial records for the
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                                      > > > > cemetery where her husband William was buried, checked the Providence City
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                                      > > > > directories and checked obits for any sibilings she may have had to see if
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                                      > > > > any of their obits mentioned her as being deceased.
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                                      > > > > > How about the headstone for William's burial? Is she on that or an
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                                      > > > > adjacent stone?
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                                      > > > > > I suppose you might have to let Blanche rest a bit longer until the the
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                                      > > > > 1964 records & each successive year there after hit the golden 100yr mark to
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                                      > > > > come out of the privacy cloak & then keep looking for her until you find
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                                      > > > > her.
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                                      > > > > > Too bad she was a renter or you could have gone back & looked at property
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                                      > > > > tax records to try & find a year for her death.
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                                      > > > > > Linda
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                                      > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/14/13, mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com>
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                                      > > > > <mjbarnett23@
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                                      > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
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                                      > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mailto:mjbarnett23%40ymail.com> <mjbarnett23@
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                                      > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23@%20%3cmailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:mjbarnett23%40hotmail.com> >
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                                      > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                                      > > > > ARCHIVES
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                                      > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:23 PM
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                                      > > > > > Thanks for your thoughts Linda,
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                                      > > > > > I belong to find a grave, if I do add an obituary, I do not post the
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                                      > > > > > living relatives. Some people on Fag, get really upset because that is
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                                      > > > > what they are looking for. Unfortunately many people do not do that. It
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                                      > > > > causes large problems in the site.
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                                      > > > > > Have been the route you suggested, unfortunately came up short about the
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                                      > > > > children. It's dead end, and I know it, but Stefanie was nice enough to
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                                      > > > > offer.
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                                      > > > > > Mary
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                                      > > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@>
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                                      > > > > wrote:
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                                      > > > > > > To find her perhaps you could approach via obits for her children
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                                      > > > > assuming she had children and one or more of them died for whom you can find
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                                      > > > > DODs via the SSDI.
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                                      > > > > > > Knowing the DOD even if it's only month & year, you could then request
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                                      > > > > an obitÃÆ'‚ search &ÃÆ'‚ copy in the Providence Journal aka Projo from Reference
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                                      > > > > Services at the Providence Public Library. ÃÆ'‚
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                                      > > > > > > If the death is after Dec 1983, then someone with access to the archived
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                                      > > > > copies of the Projo via Proquest online might also be able to search for &
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                                      > > > > make a copy for you if an obit was found.
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                                      > > > > > > With all the touchiness surounding copywrites now, even though the
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                                      > > > > original authors of the obits are in most cases the familes with assistance
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                                      > > > > from their funeral director, I've been using the obit as reference material,
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                                      > > > > extracting the essentials from it & authoring my own write-up on the
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                                      > > > > deceased where I've had info from an obit I wanted to include in a memorial.
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                                      > > > > That also allows me to edit out people I know or suspect are still alive.
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                                      > > > > > > Here's Find A Grave's guidance on the subject:
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                                      > > > > > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                                      > > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries
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                                      > > > > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?searchArg=obituaries&page=listFaqs
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                                      > > > > #89> &page=listFaqs#89> &page=listFaqs#89
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                                      > > > > > > Can I add an obituary to my interment listing?
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                                      > > > > > > You should not copy obituary notices from newspapers to an individual's
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                                      > > > > memorial record unless you have permission from the newspaper to do so or
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                                      > > > > you are the author of the obituary.ÃÆ'‚ Some obituaries that were published in
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                                      > > > > 1922 or earlier are now in the public domain. In general, obituaries in
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                                      > > > > newspapers are submitted by the family with assistance from the funeral
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                                      > > > > home. If the obituary is added to the memorial record, it should list the
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                                      > > > > newspaper and date the obit was printed for example "Published in the
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                                      > > > > Hattiesburg American, Hattiesburg, Mississippi, Internet Edition, April 11,
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                                      > > > > 2007". Please do not include the names of living or surviving relatives in
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                                      > > > > the biography, unless you have their permission. If you do not have
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                                      > > > > permission to copy an obituary to a memorial, you may put a note stating the
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                                      > > > > name of the newspaper and the date the obituary was published.ÃÆ'‚ Please do
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                                      > > > > NOT add photographs from obituary notices (unless you, personally took the
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                                      > > > > photo),
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                                      > > > > > as
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                                      > > > > > > they are protected by copyright law. Find A Grave reserves the right to
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                                      > > > > remove obituary notices and photographs from memorial records. Similarly,
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                                      > > > > you may NOT scan an obituary and add it as a photograph to a memorial
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                                      > > > > record.
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                                      > > > > > > Obituaries for "famous" individuals are usually written by newspaper
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                                      > > > > staff and can not be posted to Find A Grave as the newspaper company owns
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                                      > > > > that copyright.
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                                      > > > > > > Please do not include website addresses that may be listed in the
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                                      > > > > obituary as they usually expire within a year after the obituary is
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                                      > > > > printed.ÃÆ'‚
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                                      > > > > > > Linda
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                                      > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/13/13, mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@> wrote:
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                                      > > > > > > From: mjbarnett23@ <mjbarnett23@>
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                                      > > > > > > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: WHERE TO OBTAIN BEST ACCESS TO OBITUARY
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                                      > > > > ARCHIVES
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                                      > > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:39 PM
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                                      > > > > > > Thanks for the offer Stefanie.
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                                      > > > > > > There is one person I am searching for and cannot find her death.
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                                      > > > > > > Blanche Gertrude(Jillson her mn) Alger
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                                      > > > > > > b.June 13 1891 Providence, Rhode Island
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                                      > > > > > > m: William Alger Nov 21 1914
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                                      > > > > > > I have everything on her thru the 1930 census. Have all on her husband
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                                      > > > > > > thru death and burial. The State of RI tells me she died after 1964 and
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                                      > > > > they cannot release information for 2 more years. Never said they had her.
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                                      > > > > > > It is possible she remarried and that could be why have not located.
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                                      > > > > > > So anything is a shot in the dark.
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                                      > > > > > > What I mainly was looking for was a way to find multiple obituaries
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                                      > > > > > > Nothing mainly in particular, just want to enter them on the memorials I
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                                      > > > > have made on Find a Grave for family members.
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                                      > > > > > > Thank you for your kind offer though.
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                                      > > > > > > Mary
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                                      > > > > > > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , "Arlan" <agmaguire@> wrote:
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                                      > > > > > > > The USGenWeb has archives for types of vital records, there is not
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                                      > > > > much for Rhode Island, here is the Rhode Island link
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                                      > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm
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                                      > > > > > > > If you go to the main USGenWeb site, http://usgenweb.org/ you will
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                                      > > > > find links to all states and counties in the USA
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                                      > > > > > > > From: Stefanie
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                                      > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19 AM
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                                      > > > > > > > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
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                                      > > > > <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                      > > > > > > > Whom are you looking for, where and when. I have access to some
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