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  • Jim Fisher
    Don - I pulled this off of two public family trees which had authenticated sources. I didn t check the sources as they sounded all legit. The problem I ve
    Message 1 of 24 , Jan 19, 2012
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      Don - I pulled this off of two public family trees which had authenticated sources. I didn't check the sources as they sounded all legit.
      The problem I've found with the FHL data is that one needs to know the source of their data; much is good and much is undocumented assumptions.. But that is the trouble with genealogical research.

      In your case and knowing what I now know, I'd research whatever government sources are and go from there. Good luck!

      Jim F.


      On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:

      > Jim,
      > Did you get this from the Ct. death index or from an Ancestry tree? Reason I ask is because there are several Ancestry and rootsweb that have him a Robert Benjamin and or as having a son Robert Benjamin born in N.C. and or Va. in the same year as my Benjamin's son Knight Taylor was born in Scituate,R.I. These all got their erroneous info from one researcher who was wrong and made an undocumented assumption.
      > Thanks for the lookup.
      >
      > From: Jim Fisher <fish9111@...>
      > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:39 PM
      > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
      >
      > Robert Benjamin Taylor
      > b 1719 Providence, Providence, RI
      > d. 1807 Scituate, Providence, RI
      > m. Keziah Knight 1742 Orange, NC
      >
      > Hope this works.
      >
      > Jim Fisher
      >
      > On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:
      >
      > > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please? When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct. The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934. I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
      > > Don T.
      > >
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      >
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      >
      > Be sure to check and use the Files, Links, Photos, and Database features on your visits to our RI_Ancestors Web site
      > There is a lot of information there and more being added daily
      >
      > For the benefit of those who cannot access our Yahoo site
      > we have a Mirror site for the File, Links, and Databases
      > at: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rikent/yahoo/
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
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    • Donald Taylor
      Yes Jim,  Now that I have a reference to the city of Norwich, I will persue that to see if there is an actual vital record. I know of one fellow Taylor
      Message 2 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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        Yes Jim,  Now that I have a reference to the city of Norwich, I will persue that to see if there is an actual vital record. I know of one fellow Taylor researcher who made a lot of assumptions and guesses that proved to be wrong. She contributed her database to Ancestry and Rootsweb and a LOT of people got their info from her. She has since removed her database, presumably because of people questioning her info but the others have proliferated. Family Search also has genealogies done by their members who have this line of Taylor's incorrectly linked to the Robert Taylor of Newport line and that error continues to be relied upon by newbies as correct when it is definitely not.
        Don

        From: Jim Fisher <fish9111@...>
        To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:26 PM
        Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup

        Don - I pulled this off of two public family trees which had authenticated sources. I didn't check the sources as they sounded all legit.
        The problem I've found with the FHL data is that one needs to know the source of their data; much is good and much is undocumented assumptions.. But that is the trouble with genealogical research.

        In your case and knowing what I now know, I'd research whatever government sources are and go from there. Good luck!

        Jim F.


        On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:

        > Jim,
        >    Did you get this from the Ct. death index or from an Ancestry tree?  Reason I ask is because there are several Ancestry and rootsweb that have him a Robert Benjamin and or as having a son Robert Benjamin born in N.C. and or Va. in the same year as my Benjamin's son Knight Taylor was born in Scituate,R.I.  These all got their erroneous info from one researcher who was wrong and made an undocumented assumption. 
        > Thanks for the lookup.
        >
        > From: Jim Fisher <fish9111@...>
        > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:39 PM
        > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
        >
        > Robert Benjamin Taylor
        > b 1719 Providence, Providence, RI
        > d. 1807 Scituate, Providence, RI
        > m. Keziah Knight 1742 Orange, NC
        >
        > Hope this works.
        >
        > Jim Fisher
        >
        > On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:
        >
        > > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
        > > Don T.
        > >
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        > >
        > >
        >
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        >
        > Be sure to check and use the Files, Links, Photos, and Database features on your visits to our RI_Ancestors Web site
        > There is a lot of information there and more being added daily
        >
        > For the benefit of those who cannot access our Yahoo site
        > we have a Mirror site for the File, Links, and Databases
        > at:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rikent/yahoo/
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
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        >
        >



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        Be sure to check and use the Files, Links, Photos, and Database features on your visits to our RI_Ancestors Web site
        There is a lot of information there and more being added daily

        For the benefit of those who cannot access our Yahoo site
        we have a Mirror site for the File, Links, and Databases
        at:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rikent/yahoo/
        Yahoo! Groups Links



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      • Linda Peloquin
        Norwich...On the east side of the CT River, just a bit north & west of the Pequot s Foxwoods Casino & Resort.  Foxwoods has or had some lots in Norwich for
        Message 3 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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          Norwich...On the east side of the CT River, just a bit north & west of the Pequot's Foxwoods Casino & Resort.  Foxwoods has or had some lots in Norwich for their employees & they'd bus them into the resort for work.
           
          Google Maps says....
           
           - It's 23mi to the west by modern road from Hope Valley, RI.  Not far in today's terms but a bit of a haul back in the day.
           
          - It's 32.5 mi south from Killingly, CT and ....
           
          - It's 42.6 mi from Brandy Brook Rd.
           
          It would have been quite a trip from Killingly or N. Scituate in the early 1800's.
           
          Got to go & shovel out Mom.  More snow tomorrow & then 50's Tues or Wed.  That should make for a nice, sloppy mess!
           
          Linda
          59d 22h 11m 17s
          until SPRING!!!!
           
           


          --- On Thu, 1/19/12, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:


          From: Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...>
          Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
          To: "RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com" <RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com>
          Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 8:43 PM



           



          Thanks cousin Gloria, Jan also sent it to me offline. I will check with the family history center to see if this film might have any more info to confirm if this is him. I have long wondered why he is not listed in the R.I. historical database and wondered if he was buried in the Taylor lot at Brandy Brook but not recorded. How close is Norwich to R.I. ?  His wife, Susannah is listed as died at Killingly. Ct.
          cousin Don

          From: Gloria Silverman gjs11054@...
          To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:41 PM
          Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup

           
          Hi Don,

          Connecticut, Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934
          about Benjamin Taylor
          Name: Benjamin Taylor
          Birth Date: abt 1720
          Age at Death: 87
          Death Date: 16 Sep 1807
          Death Place: Norwich, Connecticut
          Gender: Male
          FHL Film Number: 3248

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          From: Donald Taylor
          To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:31 PM
          Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup

          Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please? When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct. The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934. I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
          Don T.

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        • Linda Peloquin
          Ancestry s Leaf hints icon has only made things worse since it s now super easy for newbys and others not so persnickety about their familiy lines to import
          Message 4 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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            Ancestry's "Leaf" hints icon has only made things worse since it's now super easy for newbys and others not so persnickety about their familiy lines to import information to both their on line tree and , if they're using it, Ancestry's FTM program.  One error, even if the tree owner catches & xcorrects it, could have already spread like a cancer before the owner gets the correction done.
             
            I've been trying to clean up my primary DeBow line in trees posted at Ancestry.   I've got it throughly documented - wills, vital records, church records & even bible entries, back to Johannes DeBow aka John DeBow  1739 (OS) - 1817 so I know what I have is correct.
             
            Some tree owners I can make contact with via the Ancestry contact system but others who've not been active on Ancestry in 6 mos or more(possibly they've let their subscription lapse with the economy what it is?) I'm unable to contact with corrections. 
             
            I try through the Ancestry contact system but if the person has let their Ancestry subscription lapse either Ancestry doesn't send the mail on which naturally costs them money & server time so I suppose that can be understandable to a degree or the person's email may have changed & not been updated with Ancestry if they are inactive so if Ancestry is passing the email on, it bounces.  
            Whe I'm unable to make contact, I'll leave a correction in the "Comments" section  for an individual in the tree and HOPE that it get's looked at by those thinking of using the info on that person in that tree.
             
            Linda
             

            --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:


            From: Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...>
            Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
            To: "RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com" <RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com>
            Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 7:35 AM



             



            Yes Jim,  Now that I have a reference to the city of Norwich, I will persue that to see if there is an actual vital record. I know of one fellow Taylor researcher who made a lot of assumptions and guesses that proved to be wrong. She contributed her database to Ancestry and Rootsweb and a LOT of people got their info from her. She has since removed her database, presumably because of people questioning her info but the others have proliferated. Family Search also has genealogies done by their members who have this line of Taylor's incorrectly linked to the Robert Taylor of Newport line and that error continues to be relied upon by newbies as correct when it is definitely not.
            Don

            From: Jim Fisher <fish9111@...>
            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:26 PM
            Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup

            Don - I pulled this off of two public family trees which had authenticated sources. I didn't check the sources as they sounded all legit.
            The problem I've found with the FHL data is that one needs to know the source of their data; much is good and much is undocumented assumptions.. But that is the trouble with genealogical research.

            In your case and knowing what I now know, I'd research whatever government sources are and go from there. Good luck!

            Jim F.

            On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:

            > Jim,
            >    Did you get this from the Ct. death index or from an Ancestry tree?  Reason I ask is because there are several Ancestry and rootsweb that have him a Robert Benjamin and or as having a son Robert Benjamin born in N.C. and or Va. in the same year as my Benjamin's son Knight Taylor was born in Scituate,R.I.  These all got their erroneous info from one researcher who was wrong and made an undocumented assumption. 
            > Thanks for the lookup.
            >
            > From: Jim Fisher <fish9111@...>
            > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:39 PM
            > Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
            >
            > Robert Benjamin Taylor
            > b 1719 Providence, Providence, RI
            > d. 1807 Scituate, Providence, RI
            > m. Keziah Knight 1742 Orange, NC
            >
            > Hope this works.
            >
            > Jim Fisher
            >
            > On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Donald Taylor wrote:
            >
            > > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
            > > Don T.
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            > >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Be sure to check and use the Files, Links, Photos, and Database features on your visits to our RI_Ancestors Web site
            > There is a lot of information there and more being added daily
            >
            > For the benefit of those who cannot access our Yahoo site
            > we have a Mirror site for the File, Links, and Databases
            > at:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rikent/yahoo/
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >

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            ------------------------------------

            Be sure to check and use the Files, Links, Photos, and Database features on your visits to our RI_Ancestors Web site
            There is a lot of information there and more being added daily

            For the benefit of those who cannot access our Yahoo site
            we have a Mirror site for the File, Links, and Databases
            at:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rikent/yahoo/
            Yahoo! Groups Links

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          • Suzanne Hough
            Linda: To increase the frustration when you try to correct an error (anywhere on the internet), some people want nothing to do with documentation. Eight
            Message 5 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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              Linda: To increase the frustration when you try to correct an error (anywhere on the internet), some people want nothing to do with documentation. Eight years ago when I pointed out a serious error and had supporting evidence, a woman retorted, "What are you trying to do? Change history?"--which, of course, is what she was doing with her non-documented material. Oof!
              Suzanne

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            • armchair_genealogist
              When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not too far from Scituate,maybe you can
              Message 6 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not too far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike


                --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
                >
                > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
                > Don T.
                >
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              • Linda Peloquin
                Thankfully, I ve not encountered that reaction yet but I suppose there will always be those who just HAVE to be RIGHT.   Did you p[oint out to her that she
                Message 7 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                  Thankfully, I've not encountered that reaction yet but I suppose there will always be those who just HAVE to be RIGHT.
                   
                  Did you p[oint out to her that she was the one changing history with  false information or just figure that if she was that bullheaded facts & documents weren't going to sway her?
                   
                  Linda
                  59d 5h 58m 53s til Spring
                  & one more place to clear of snow after I get some lunch!
                   

                  --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Suzanne Hough <thorburn@...> wrote:


                  From: Suzanne Hough <thorburn@...>
                  Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup
                  To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 9:31 AM



                   



                  Linda: To increase the frustration when you try to correct an error (anywhere on the internet), some people want nothing to do with documentation. Eight years ago when I pointed out a serious error and had supporting evidence, a woman retorted, "What are you trying to do? Change history?"--which, of course, is what she was doing with her non-documented material. Oof!
                  Suzanne

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                • Donald Taylor
                  Mike,    We are cousins on the Hathaway side.  According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and
                  Message 8 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                    Mike,
                       We are cousins on the Hathaway side.  According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and Patience Hunnewell his 2nd wife. I am descended through  her brother Benjamin who was next in order of birth.  Patience married Ruben Peckham of R.I. on 10 Dec 1730 at Dartmouth.  This line of Hathways is of Mayflower descent though the marriage of Arthur Hathaway 2nd to Sarah Cooke a grandaughter of both Richard Warren and Francis Cooke both men were mayflower passengers.  I am also a descendant of the other line of immigrant Nicholas Hathaway.
                    cousin Don

                    From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@...>
                    To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
                    Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup


                     
                    When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not tooon far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike

                    --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
                    > Don T.
                    >
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                  • Donald Taylor
                    Whenever I see an error on a Rootsweb gedcom I post a postit note to the database informing the owner of the error. Very few respond or make any corrections.
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                      Whenever I see an error on a Rootsweb gedcom I post a postit note to the database informing the owner of the error. Very few respond or make any corrections.
                      Family search also does not make corrections to their databases regardless if you have the documentation to show that they are wrong.
                      Don

                      From: Suzanne Hough <thorburn@...>
                      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:31 AM
                      Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup


                       
                      Linda: To increase the frustration when you try to correct an error (anywhere on the internet), some people want nothing to do with documentation. Eight years ago when I pointed out a serious error and had supporting evidence, a woman retorted, "What are you trying to do? Change history?"--which, of course, is what she was doing with her non-documented material. Oof!
                      Suzanne

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                    • John Ruggles
                      Don I descend from both of your Hathaway’s as well. Hello cousins ! My Nicholas Hathaway line went to Taunton and then to Freetown, MA. Into the Paul(l) and
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                        Don



                        I descend from both of your Hathaway’s as well. Hello cousins !



                        My Nicholas Hathaway line went to Taunton and then to Freetown, MA. Into the Paul(l) and Nichols families.

                        My Arthur (Hathaway) line went into the Cadmans, whites, browns, grays (most of the colors) – lots of confusion here.



                        John W. Ruggles, II



                        From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Taylor
                        Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:35 PM
                        To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup





                        Mike,
                        We are cousins on the Hathaway side. According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and Patience Hunnewell his 2nd wife. I am descended through her brother Benjamin who was next in order of birth. Patience married Ruben Peckham of R.I. on 10 Dec 1730 at Dartmouth. This line of Hathways is of Mayflower descent though the marriage of Arthur Hathaway 2nd to Sarah Cooke a grandaughter of both Richard Warren and Francis Cooke both men were mayflower passengers. I am also a descendant of the other line of immigrant Nicholas Hathaway.
                        cousin Don

                        From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@... <mailto:bingo0212%40yahoo.com> >
                        To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
                        Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup


                        When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not tooon far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike

                        --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please? When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct. The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934. I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
                        > Don T.
                        >
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                      • K Freed
                        Dear Bros, Okay, red-set-aim, Discount me: I m just an everyday, /amateur/ remnant of an honorable line of Providence-Pawtucket-Bristol Davises, Goodales,
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                          Dear Bros,

                          Okay, red-set-aim, Discount me: I'm just an everyday,
                          /amateur/ remnant of an honorable line of
                          Providence-Pawtucket-Bristol Davises, Goodales,
                          Greenleafs, and Collers.

                          But, hey! This genealogy quest is/not about curing
                          cancer. / Hints, inferences and conjecture are still
                          worthy and useful. They open new doors. They link us
                          to the living, who pursue these same questions. You
                          never know, they might be the real deal. It's all
                          about "fuzzy data," isn't it?

                          Oh, I know that there are the purists & professionals
                          who are frustrated by false leads, cheaply documented.

                          BUT Lighten Up out there svp! And share, share, share!

                          From the bleachers,

                          Kate Freed
                          Wooster, Ohio



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                        • Donald Taylor
                          John,     My maternal grandmother was a Hathaway, a descendant in her male line from Arthur and her mother had a line from Nicholas that I discovered after
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                            John,
                                My maternal grandmother was a Hathaway, a descendant in her male line from Arthur and her mother had a line from Nicholas that I discovered after grandma had passed.  Her mothers female line went back to Nicholas through Vincents, Shermans, Goodells,

                            From: John Ruggles <johnruggles@...>
                            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:55 PM
                            Subject: RE: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup


                             
                            Don

                            I descend from both of your Hathaway’s as well. Hello cousins !

                            My Nicholas Hathaway line went to Taunton and then to Freetown, MA. Into the Paul(l) and Nichols families.

                            My Arthur (Hathaway) line went into the Cadmans, whites, browns, grays (most of the colors) – lots of confusion here.

                            John W. Ruggles, II

                            From: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Taylor
                            Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:35 PM
                            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup

                            Mike,
                            We are cousins on the Hathaway side. According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and Patience Hunnewell his 2nd wife. I am descended through her brother Benjamin who was next in order of birth. Patience married Ruben Peckham of R.I. on 10 Dec 1730 at Dartmouth. This line of Hathways is of Mayflower descent though the marriage of Arthur Hathaway 2nd to Sarah Cooke a grandaughter of both Richard Warren and Francis Cooke both men were mayflower passengers. I am also a descendant of the other line of immigrant Nicholas Hathaway.
                            cousin Don

                            From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@... <mailto:bingo0212%40yahoo.com> >
                            To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
                            Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup

                            When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not tooon far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike

                            --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RI_Ancestors%40yahoogroups.com> , Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
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                            > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please? When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct. The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934. I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
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                          • Donald Taylor
                            Okay Kate,     This should start a good discussion.  Everything found on internet and in print should be considered as leads. Nothing should be relied upon
                            Message 13 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                              Okay Kate,
                                  This should start a good discussion.  Everything found on internet and in print should be considered as leads. Nothing should be relied upon except things with good sources like City, Town or State Vital Records. Problem is that these online family tree selling websites take what their members submit and then quote it as a source!  A person new to genealogy will depend on it as a valid source when in fact it may ne so far from dependable actual records as to be ridiculous!  Evry tree on Rootsweb, Ancestry, Genealogy.com or any other website that takes member submitted info and puts it out there as though it were fact should have a big caution notice in the first line of the description.  If a database says it has sources and the sources are other members databases, the DO NOT have sources.
                              So, lets see what others thing.
                               

                              From: K Freed <katefreed@...>
                              To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:15 PM
                              Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup


                               
                              Dear Bros,

                              Okay, red-set-aim, Discount me: I'm just an everyday,
                              /amateur/ remnant of an honorable line of 

                              Providence-Pawtucket-Bristol Davises, Goodales,
                              Greenleafs, and Collers.

                              But, hey! This genealogy quest is/not about curing
                              cancer. / Hints, inferences and conjecture are still
                              worthy and useful. They open new doors. They link us
                              to the living, who pursue these same questions. You
                              never know, they might be the real deal. It's all
                              about "fuzzy data," isn't it?

                              Oh, I know that there are the purists & professionals
                              who are frustrated by false leads, cheaply documented.

                              BUT Lighten Up out there svp! And share, share, share!

                              From the bleachers,

                              Kate Freed
                              Wooster, Ohio

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                            • Donald Taylor
                              Kate,  we come from the dis honorable lines! Tehe. From: K Freed To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:15 PM
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                                Kate,  we come from the dis honorable lines! Tehe.


                                From: K Freed <katefreed@...>
                                To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:15 PM
                                Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup


                                 
                                Dear Bros,

                                Okay, red-set-aim, Discount me: I'm just an everyday,
                                /amateur/ remnant of an honorable line of
                                Providence-Pawtucket-Bristol Davises, Goodales,
                                Greenleafs, and Collers.

                                But, hey! This genealogy quest is/not about curing
                                cancer. / Hints, inferences and conjecture are still
                                worthy and useful. They open new doors. They link us
                                to the living, who pursue these same questions. You
                                never know, they might be the real deal. It's all
                                about "fuzzy data," isn't it?

                                Oh, I know that there are the purists & professionals
                                who are frustrated by false leads, cheaply documented.

                                BUT Lighten Up out there svp! And share, share, share!

                                From the bleachers,

                                Kate Freed
                                Wooster, Ohio

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                              • K Freed
                                Oops, meant venerable. --Are your kin UnVenerable, as well? ;-)
                                Message 15 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                                  Oops, 'meant "venerable." --Are your kin UnVenerable,
                                  as well? ;-)
                                • Yvonne Dolbec
                                  About familysearch. Some of their arbitrators haven t the competence to recognize French Canadian surnames. I have made opposition about the way they have
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                                    About familysearch.

                                    Some of their arbitrators haven't the competence to recognize
                                    French Canadian surnames. I have made opposition about the way
                                    they have distorted my indexation work. To no avail. If the
                                    arbitrator gives me 87%, you can conclude that there will be 12%
                                    inaccuracies. For the competent one (better than I) gives me
                                    99%...

                                    Be warned that for Rhode Island databases, French Canadian
                                    names are very often indexed not the way it is written. In this case,
                                    indexers (two different ones for every page) have misread in the first
                                    place.

                                    Yvonne

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                                    From: "Donald Taylor" <dtaylor120@...>
                                    To: <RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:37 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup


                                    Whenever I see an error on a Rootsweb gedcom I post a postit note to the
                                    database informing the owner of the error. Very few respond or make any
                                    corrections.
                                    Family search also does not make corrections to their databases regardless
                                    if you have the documentation to show that they are wrong.
                                    Don

                                    From: Suzanne Hough <thorburn@...>
                                    To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:31 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup



                                    Linda: To increase the frustration when you try to correct an error
                                    (anywhere on the internet), some people want nothing to do with
                                    documentation. Eight years ago when I pointed out a serious error and had
                                    supporting evidence, a woman retorted, "What are you trying to do? Change
                                    history?"--which, of course, is what she was doing with her non-documented
                                    material. Oof!
                                    Suzanne
                                  • Donald Taylor
                                    Probably, although one or two were listed in vital records as Hon. which I never expected based on recent generations including my own. From: K Freed
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                                      Probably, although one or two were listed in vital records as Hon. which I never expected based on recent generations including my own.


                                      From: K Freed <katefreed@...>
                                      To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:22 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [RI_Ancestors] Ancestry lookup


                                       

                                      Oops, 'meant "venerable." --Are your kin UnVenerable,
                                      as well? ;-)



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                                    • armchair_genealogist
                                      Hi cousin! Thanks for the info.I am sitting here in the middle of Rhode Island so shame on me if I don t try to shore up anything in question pertaining to
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Jan 20, 2012
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                                        Hi cousin!
                                        Thanks for the info.I am sitting here in the middle of Rhode Island so shame on me if I don't try to shore up anything in question pertaining to local research.Have you checked the Beaman Vital Records for your Benjamin Taylor?Also perhaps the RIGS(RI Genealogical Society) publications.........Mike


                                        --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Mike,
                                        >    We are cousins on the Hathaway side.  According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and Patience Hunnewell his 2nd wife. I am descended through  her brother Benjamin who was next in order of birth.  Patience married Ruben Peckham of R.I. on 10 Dec 1730 at Dartmouth.  This line of Hathways is of Mayflower descent though the marriage of Arthur Hathaway 2nd to Sarah Cooke a grandaughter of both Richard Warren and Francis Cooke both men were mayflower passengers.  I am also a descendant of the other line of immigrant Nicholas Hathaway.
                                        > cousin Don
                                        >
                                        > From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@...>
                                        > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
                                        > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup
                                        >
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                                        >  
                                        > When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not tooon far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike
                                        >
                                        > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
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                                      • Donald Taylor
                                        yes Mike,      I (we) did our research on this family years ago and have checked all of the usual sources. The only things that I didn t have a record of
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Jan 21, 2012
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                                          yes Mike,
                                               I (we) did our research on this family years ago and have checked all of the usual sources. The only things that I didn't have a record of were his date and place of death and also the oral family legend that said he had seven sons who all served in the Revolution. We know for sure there was a Job Taylor who served because he is buried in the Brandy Brook Rd Taylor lot with a stone and DAR marker still standing. Interesting to note that there are several Taylor soldiers recorded for Ct. including a Benjamin that I discounted because I was limiting my search for R.I. Now if the Norwich death record proves to be my guy I will have to take another look at Ct records.
                                          Don T.

                                          From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@...>
                                          To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:23 PM
                                          Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup


                                           
                                          Hi cousin!
                                          Thanks for the info.I am sitting here in the middle of Rhode Island so shame on me if I don't try to shore up anything in question pertaining to local research.Have you checked the Beaman Vital Records for your Benjamin Taylor?Also perhaps the RIGS(RI Genealogical Society) publications.........Mike


                                          --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Mike,
                                          >    We are cousins on the Hathaway side.  According to Hathaways of America , pg. 753, 1970 edition, Patience was b. 27 Apr 1710 to John Hathaway and Patience Hunnewell his 2nd wife. I am descended through  her brother Benjamin who was next in order of birth.  Patience married Ruben Peckham of R.I. on 10 Dec 1730 at Dartmouth.  This line of Hathways is of Mayflower descent though the marriage of Arthur Hathaway 2nd to Sarah Cooke a grandaughter of both Richard Warren and Francis Cooke both men were mayflower passengers.  I am also a descendant of the other line of immigrant Nicholas Hathaway.
                                          > cousin Don
                                          >
                                          > From: armchair_genealogist <bingo0212@...>
                                          > To: RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:33 AM
                                          > Subject: [RI_Ancestors] Re: Ancestry lookup
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >  
                                          > When there is no source you should treat pretty much anything found online as a lead to persue and prove.Norwich is not tooon far from Scituate,maybe you can check land and probate records in Scituate and Norwich.At least you have a fairly uncommon name,Keziah,in the mix to help you out.I am a descendent of Reuben Peckham and Patience Hathaway and it is widely reported that they both died in 1758.And yet from the grave they sold land and left a paper trail for years after.A Peckham researcher has a whole forest of trees posted and they are all full of mistakes and contradict each other........Mike
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                                          > --- In RI_Ancestors@yahoogroups.com, Donald Taylor <dtaylor120@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Can someone with Ancestry membership check something out for me please?  When I use Rootsweb.com and search for Benjamin Taylor, b. Rhode Island with spouse Keziah Knight, several databases come up and an Ancestry icon appears which indicates a death or burial record in Ct.  The name of the source cited is : Ct. Deaths and Burials Index, 1650-1934.  I would like to know the death date and or burial location so that I can confirm if this is the right Benjamin.
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