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  • Chistopher Macie
    This is an excellent thread of discussion. Helping prepare for and recover from surgery is an area CM treatment (i.e. herbology) has a leg-up on pharmacology,
    Message 1 of 16 , Feb 13, 2013
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      This is an excellent thread of discussion.

      Helping prepare for and recover from surgery is an area CM treatment (i.e. herbology) has a leg-up on pharmacology, and WM diagnostic methods are remarkably deficient.

      Chris Macie
    • Paul Grammer
      Chris,   Excellent point!   I have an uncle who had surgery yesterday.  They took out a 10 inch section of his small intestine with a baseball-size
      Message 2 of 16 , Feb 14, 2013
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        Chris,
         
        Excellent point!
         
        I have an uncle who had surgery yesterday.  They took out a 10 inch section of his small intestine with a "baseball-size" tumor.  He started having abdominal pain in December, was hospitalized then, and no one was able to find the tumor until the surgery yesterday.  I have to wonder if anyone in the time he's been hospitalized even bothered to palpate his abdomen. 

        From: Chistopher Macie <cjmacie@...>
        To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:18 PM
        Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
         
        This is an excellent thread of discussion. Helping prepare for and recover from surgery is an area CM treatment (i.e. herbology) has a leg-up on pharmacology, and WM diagnostic methods are remarkably deficient. Chris Macie
      • meifeng30
        Can Su 蟾酥、Yang Jin Hua洋金花、Bo He Nao薄荷脑、Xi Xin细辛、Du
        Message 3 of 16 , Feb 24, 2013
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          Can Su 蟾酥、Yang Jin Hua洋金花、Bo He Nao薄荷脑、Xi Xin细辛、Du Lang毒狼、 Chuan Wu Tou川乌、Cao Wu Tou草乌、Sheng Nan Xing生南星,Sheng Ban Xia生半夏,Hu Jiao胡椒. Each 10g, powder into 70% alcohol, put them to local skin area for Chinese herbal anesthesia before surgery.
          Regards
          Feng Mei, MSOM, L.Ac.
          http://www.latcmwellnesscenter.com

          --- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "rasqual9" <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
          >
          > I remember, in my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
          > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
          >
        • stephen clipp
          Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation? Will, would
          Message 4 of 16 , Mar 4, 2013
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            Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

            Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

            Thanks again!



            To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
            From: lborzillo@...
            Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500
            Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

             

            Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

            Lynn Borzillo, DA


            On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
             

            Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
            Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
            On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
            Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


            > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
            > From: wmorris33@...
            > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

            > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
            >
            > Is it Rasquel?
            >
            > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
            > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
            >
            > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
            >
            > Boost Spleen Qi
            > Moisten Yin
            > Drain Damp Heat
            > Facilitate digestion
            >
            > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
            >
            > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
            >
            > 10g Radix Codopnosis
            >
            > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
            >
            > 12g Poria Fu Ling
            >
            > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
            >
            > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
            >
            > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
            >
            > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
            >
            > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
            >
            > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
            >
            > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
            >
            > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
            >
            > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
            >
            > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
            >
            > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
            >
            > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
            >
            >
            > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
            > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
            > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
            >
            > Warmly,
            >
            > Will
            >
            >
            > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
            > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > --
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          • Lynn
            Hi Stephen, I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of 0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range. If my
            Message 5 of 16 , Mar 4, 2013
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              Hi Stephen,

              I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of  0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range.
              If my memory serves me correctly, I also took if for a few days post-op for pain. I followed the surgeons protocol for nothing by mouth prior to surgery.

              Here is a link to the abstract I showed my surgeon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19153029#

              Best regards,
              Lynn


              On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
               

              Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

              Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

              Thanks again!



              To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
              From: lborzillo@...
              Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500

              Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

               

              Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

              Lynn Borzillo, DA


              On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
               

              Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
              Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
              On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
              Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


              > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
              > From: wmorris33@...
              > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

              > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
              >
              > Is it Rasquel?
              >
              > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
              > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
              >
              > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
              >
              > Boost Spleen Qi
              > Moisten Yin
              > Drain Damp Heat
              > Facilitate digestion
              >
              > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
              >
              > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
              >
              > 10g Radix Codopnosis
              >
              > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
              >
              > 12g Poria Fu Ling
              >
              > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
              >
              > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
              >
              > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
              >
              > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
              >
              > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
              >
              > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
              >
              > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
              >
              > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
              >
              > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
              >
              > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
              >
              > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
              >
              > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
              >
              >
              > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
              > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
              > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
              >
              > Warmly,
              >
              > Will
              >
              >
              > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
              > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --
              > William R. Morris, PhD, DAOM, LAc
              > http://pulsediagnosis.com/
              > http://www.aoma.edu/
              > http://taaom.org/
              >
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            • uboru
              As a former nurse anesthetist who s in acupuncture school, I have to advise caution in giving YBY pre op. If one is having vascular surgery, certain doses of
              Message 6 of 16 , Mar 15, 2013
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                As a former nurse anesthetist who's in acupuncture school, I have to advise caution in giving YBY pre op. If one is having vascular surgery, certain doses of heparin are given IV and then reversed at various times during the surgery in order to help and test the patency of a graft.

                Using YBY to prevent bleeding would be a very bad idea in such circumstances.

                Diane


                From: "Lynn" <lborzillo@...>
                To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 3:08:08 PM
                Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                Hi Stephen,

                I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of  0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range.
                If my memory serves me correctly, I also took if for a few days post-op for pain. I followed the surgeons protocol for nothing by mouth prior to surgery.

                Here is a link to the abstract I showed my surgeon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19153029#

                Best regards,
                Lynn


                On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                 

                Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

                Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

                Thanks again!



                To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                From: lborzillo@...
                Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500

                Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                 

                Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

                Lynn Borzillo, DA


                On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                 

                Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
                Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
                On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
                Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


                > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                > From: wmorris33@...
                > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

                > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
                >
                > Is it Rasquel?
                >
                > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
                > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
                >
                > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
                >
                > Boost Spleen Qi
                > Moisten Yin
                > Drain Damp Heat
                > Facilitate digestion
                >
                > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
                >
                > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
                >
                > 10g Radix Codopnosis
                >
                > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
                >
                > 12g Poria Fu Ling
                >
                > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
                >
                > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
                >
                > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
                >
                > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
                >
                > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
                >
                > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
                >
                > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
                >
                > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
                >
                > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
                >
                > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
                >
                > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
                >
                > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
                >
                >
                > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
                > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
                > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
                >
                > Warmly,
                >
                > Will
                >
                >
                > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
                > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
                > William R. Morris, PhD, DAOM, LAc
                > http://pulsediagnosis.com/
                > http://www.aoma.edu/
                > http://taaom.org/
                >
                > This message, including attachments, contains confidential information
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              • stephen clipp
                THanks, Diane.We re keeping the YBY for starting 2 days post-surgery; I talked with a guy that basically scared the crap out of me with stories of people
                Message 7 of 16 , Mar 15, 2013
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                  THanks, Diane.
                  We're keeping the YBY for starting 2 days post-surgery; I talked with a guy that basically scared the crap out of me with stories of people bleeding out on the operating table. Hope fish oil's OK. 



                  To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                  From: uboru@...
                  Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:21:56 -0400
                  Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                   

                  As a former nurse anesthetist who's in acupuncture school, I have to advise caution in giving YBY pre op. If one is having vascular surgery, certain doses of heparin are given IV and then reversed at various times during the surgery in order to help and test the patency of a graft.

                  Using YBY to prevent bleeding would be a very bad idea in such circumstances.

                  Diane


                  From: "Lynn" <lborzillo@...>
                  To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 3:08:08 PM
                  Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                  Hi Stephen,

                  I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of  0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range.
                  If my memory serves me correctly, I also took if for a few days post-op for pain. I followed the surgeons protocol for nothing by mouth prior to surgery.

                  Here is a link to the abstract I showed my surgeon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19153029#

                  Best regards,
                  Lynn


                  On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                   

                  Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

                  Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

                  Thanks again!



                  To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                  From: lborzillo@...
                  Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500

                  Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                   

                  Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

                  Lynn Borzillo, DA


                  On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                   

                  Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
                  Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
                  On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
                  Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


                  > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                  > From: wmorris33@...
                  > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

                  > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
                  >
                  > Is it Rasquel?
                  >
                  > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
                  > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
                  >
                  > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
                  >
                  > Boost Spleen Qi
                  > Moisten Yin
                  > Drain Damp Heat
                  > Facilitate digestion
                  >
                  > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
                  >
                  > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
                  >
                  > 10g Radix Codopnosis
                  >
                  > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
                  >
                  > 12g Poria Fu Ling
                  >
                  > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
                  >
                  > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
                  >
                  > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
                  >
                  > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
                  >
                  > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
                  >
                  > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
                  >
                  > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
                  >
                  > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
                  >
                  > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
                  >
                  > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
                  >
                  > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
                  >
                  > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
                  >
                  >
                  > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
                  > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
                  > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
                  >
                  > Warmly,
                  >
                  > Will
                  >
                  >
                  > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
                  > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > William R. Morris, PhD, DAOM, LAc
                  > http://pulsediagnosis.com/
                  > http://www.aoma.edu/
                  > http://taaom.org/
                  >
                  > This message, including attachments, contains confidential information
                  > and is intended only for the individual(s) named. Any use by others is
                  > strictly prohibited. Do not disseminate, distribute or copy this
                  > email. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have
                  > received this email by mistake, and delete this email from your
                  > system.
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  > The mission of this group is to provide a forum for the discussion of pulse diagnosis so that a depth of understanding is furthered.Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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                • William Morris
                  Thanks Y all, This kind of thing is precisely the concern. Bear in mind, post-op side effects are not only circulatory. The entire alimentary tract usually
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                    Thanks Y'all,

                    This kind of thing is precisely the concern.

                    Bear in mind, post-op side effects are not only circulatory. The entire alimentary tract usually receives impact. That is the basis of the formula I provided.

                    Will

                    On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:51 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                     

                    THanks, Diane.
                    We're keeping the YBY for starting 2 days post-surgery; I talked with a guy that basically scared the crap out of me with stories of people bleeding out on the operating table. Hope fish oil's OK. 



                    To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                    From: uboru@...
                    Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:21:56 -0400

                    Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                     

                    As a former nurse anesthetist who's in acupuncture school, I have to advise caution in giving YBY pre op. If one is having vascular surgery, certain doses of heparin are given IV and then reversed at various times during the surgery in order to help and test the patency of a graft.

                    Using YBY to prevent bleeding would be a very bad idea in such circumstances.

                    Diane


                    From: "Lynn" <lborzillo@...>
                    To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 3:08:08 PM
                    Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                    Hi Stephen,

                    I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of  0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range.
                    If my memory serves me correctly, I also took if for a few days post-op for pain. I followed the surgeons protocol for nothing by mouth prior to surgery.

                    Here is a link to the abstract I showed my surgeon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19153029#

                    Best regards,
                    Lynn


                    On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                     

                    Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

                    Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

                    Thanks again!



                    To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                    From: lborzillo@...
                    Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500

                    Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                     

                    Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

                    Lynn Borzillo, DA


                    On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                     

                    Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
                    Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
                    On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
                    Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


                    > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                    > From: wmorris33@...
                    > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

                    > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
                    >
                    > Is it Rasquel?
                    >
                    > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
                    > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
                    >
                    > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
                    >
                    > Boost Spleen Qi
                    > Moisten Yin
                    > Drain Damp Heat
                    > Facilitate digestion
                    >
                    > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
                    >
                    > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
                    >
                    > 10g Radix Codopnosis
                    >
                    > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
                    >
                    > 12g Poria Fu Ling
                    >
                    > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
                    >
                    > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
                    >
                    > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
                    >
                    > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
                    >
                    > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
                    >
                    > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
                    >
                    > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
                    >
                    > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
                    >
                    > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
                    >
                    > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
                    >
                    > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
                    >
                    > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
                    >
                    >
                    > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
                    > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
                    > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
                    >
                    > Warmly,
                    >
                    > Will
                    >
                    >
                    > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
                    > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • uboru
                    Fish oil might be OK....again, it depends on the type of surgery being done and your pre op lab values. Diane ... From: stephen clipp
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                      Fish oil "might" be OK....again, it depends on the type of surgery being done and your pre op lab values.

                      Diane


                      From: "stephen clipp" <bluegreendragon9@...>
                      To: pulsediagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:51:28 PM
                      Subject: RE: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                      THanks, Diane.
                      We're keeping the YBY for starting 2 days post-surgery; I talked with a guy that basically scared the crap out of me with stories of people bleeding out on the operating table. Hope fish oil's OK. 



                      To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                      From: uboru@...
                      Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:21:56 -0400
                      Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                       

                      As a former nurse anesthetist who's in acupuncture school, I have to advise caution in giving YBY pre op. If one is having vascular surgery, certain doses of heparin are given IV and then reversed at various times during the surgery in order to help and test the patency of a graft.

                      Using YBY to prevent bleeding would be a very bad idea in such circumstances.

                      Diane


                      From: "Lynn" <lborzillo@...>
                      To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 3:08:08 PM
                      Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                      Hi Stephen,

                      I started YBY 3 days pre-op at a dosage of  0.25 g - 0.5 g 4 times daily. Because mine came in the 4 gm vials, I estimated the dose range.
                      If my memory serves me correctly, I also took if for a few days post-op for pain. I followed the surgeons protocol for nothing by mouth prior to surgery.

                      Here is a link to the abstract I showed my surgeon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19153029#

                      Best regards,
                      Lynn


                      On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                       

                      Lynn, could you tell me how soon before your operation you began taking YBY? What was your dosage? Did you take it the day of the operation?

                      Will, would someone start your formula as soon as returning from the hospital?

                      Thanks again!



                      To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                      From: lborzillo@...
                      Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:48 -0500

                      Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep

                       

                      Just as an FYI, I had eyelid surgery and with my surgeon's permission I took YBY pre and post opp (of course he'd never heard of it, so I sent him a peer reviewed journal article). He was amazed how little pain I had and how quickly I healed. He definitely attributed it to YBY.

                      Lynn Borzillo, DA


                      On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, stephen clipp <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                       

                      Forgot about that 'Rasqual' name, it's been awhile.
                      Thanks very much for the formula, Will.
                      On a tangential subject, awhile back I read an account of a nutritionist who went in for some surgery, who mentioned that he went in so loaded up on 'antioxidants and plant-oxidants,' that he healed in 1/3 the normal time. 
                      Anyone got info on non-TCM stuff like this? 


                      > To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
                      > From: wmorris33@...
                      > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:41:08 -0600

                      > Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Pre-op Prep
                      >
                      > Is it Rasquel?
                      >
                      > I have used this hospital formula as a guiding prescription for 20
                      > yrs. The treatment principles are a useful consideration.
                      >
                      > The gut tract is usually affected with dryness and inflammation.
                      >
                      > Boost Spleen Qi
                      > Moisten Yin
                      > Drain Damp Heat
                      > Facilitate digestion
                      >
                      > Pre-Operative Integrated FZ Therapy
                      >
                      > Jianpi Liqi Decoction
                      >
                      > 10g Radix Codopnosis
                      >
                      > 9g Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae Bai Zhu
                      >
                      > 12g Poria Fu Ling
                      >
                      > 12g Radix Astragali Huang Qi
                      >
                      > 10g Radix Ophiopogonis Mai Men Dong
                      >
                      > 6g Radix Aucklandie Mu Xiang
                      >
                      > 10g Radix Glehniae Shashen
                      >
                      > 6g Pericarpium Citri Reticulate Chen Pi
                      >
                      > 15g Semen Trichosanthis Gua Luo Ren
                      >
                      > 15g Semen Nelumbinis Lian Zi
                      >
                      > 9g Endothelium Corneum Gigeriae Galli Ji Nei Jin
                      >
                      > 30g Fructus Hordei et Setariae Germinatus Mai Ya
                      >
                      > 9g Massa Medicata Fermentata Shen Qiu
                      >
                      > 4.5g Rhizoma Coptidis Huang Lian
                      >
                      > 3g Radix Glycyrrhizae Gan Cao
                      >
                      >
                      > Once the peri-operative related alimentary tract conditions are
                      > managed, I address the circulatory problems. That is when I typically
                      > introduce Yu Nan Bai Yao.
                      >
                      > Warmly,
                      >
                      > Will
                      >
                      >
                      > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM, rasqual9 <bluegreendragon9@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I remember, i n my second TCM school, my OB-GYN teacher mentioned a couple of formulae that were a benefit to start dosing before undergoing surgery.
                      > > Well, the Love of My Life is going to get general anesthesia for an OB operation, and I'm looking to speed her healing, kill as much pain as possible, and flush the effects of the anesthesia. Anybody got a good protocol? Of course, I'd like to have this chambered for my regular clients as well.
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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