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## Circulation of Wei Qi (Defensive Qi)

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• What is the exact flow through the yang channels. Is it UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST? It flows 25 times in a 12 hour day period. How long does it spend in a Yang
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 3, 2008
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What is the exact flow through the yang channels.

Is it UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

It flows 25 times in a 12 hour day period. How long does it spend in a
Yang channel and the Yin channels?
• Hi Marty - The movement of daytime *wei qi* is found in *The Spiritual Influence Pivot*( *Ling Shu*): During the daytime, the defensive *qi* moves from the
Message 2 of 12 , Jun 4, 2008
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Hi Marty -

The movement of daytime wei qi is found in The Spiritual Influence Pivot (Ling Shu): "During the daytime, the defensive qi moves from the tai yang to the shao yang to the yang ming and then returns through the yin."1 This flow of wei qi is like a cascade from the eyes to the toes. The return through the yin takes place through any of the yin channels, including the yin walker vessel (yin qiao mai).

The discussion is primarily in the context of the six channel theory rather than the twelve channel theory. The length of day and night is variable. Young Wei-jieh approaches the problem by averaging 25 circles in the day and the night a whole day is 50 times. I calculate it at 29 minutes and 10 seconds with 1440 minutes in a day divided by 50.  However, as a practical matter, I round off to a 1/2 hour. This is one of the theories behind the 1/2 long needle retention method.

Will

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:55 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@...> wrote:

What is the exact flow through the yang channels.

Is it UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

It flows 25 times in a 12 hour day period. How long does it spend in a
Yang channel and the Yin channels?

William R. Morris, DAOM, MSEd, LAc
http://theccrt.com/
http://www.aoma.edu/
http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/

When individuals come together with a shared intention, in a conducive environment, something mysterious can come into being, with capacities and intelligences that far transcend those of the individuals involved.
• Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow through the Yang channels is still not clear. How does it flow through UB, SI, TH, GB, CO,
Message 3 of 12 , Jun 7, 2008
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Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
through the Yang channels is still not clear.

How does it flow through
UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
above channels?

How long does it stay in each Yin channel?
• Marty - The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a vestige from six channel thinking. My impression is that the return of *wei
Message 4 of 12 , Jun 7, 2008
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Marty -

The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a vestige from six channel thinking.  My impression is that the return of wei qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.

W

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@...> wrote:

Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
through the Yang channels is still not clear.

How does it flow through

UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
above channels?

How long does it stay in each Yin channel?

--
Warmly,

Will

William R. Morris, DAOM, MSEd, LAc
http://theccrt.com/
http://www.aoma.edu/
http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/

When individuals come together with a shared intention, in a conducive environment, something mysterious can come into being, with capacities and intelligences that far transcend those of the individuals involved.
• In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of Wei Qi. And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate
Message 5 of 12 , Jun 15, 2008
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In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of Wei Qi.
And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate daytime outside the body, and nigttime inside the body.

Marvi

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The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a vestige from six channel thinking.  My impression is that the return of wei qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@...> wrote:

Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
through the Yang channels is still not clear.

How does it flow through

UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
above channels?

How long does it stay in each Yin channel?

• Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ?? Are Are
Message 6 of 12 , Jun 16, 2008
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Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??

Are

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Emne: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Circulation of Wei Qi (Defensive Qi)

In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of Wei Qi.

And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate daytime outside the body, and nigttime inside the body.

Marvi

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The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a vestige from six channel thinking.  My impression is that the return of wei qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@aol. com> wrote:

Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
through the Yang channels is still not clear.

How does it flow through

UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
above channels?

How long does it stay in each Yin channel?

._,___

• Qi Flow is a dinamic matter, we can see it as a change in activity in the time dominium or in the sense of circulation, alwais in the time dominium.
Message 7 of 12 , Jun 16, 2008
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Qi Flow is a dinamic matter, we can see it as a change in activity in the time dominium or in the sense of circulation, alwais in the time dominium.

Didactically is more useful to gaze at the Qi movement as a circulation, because its dinamic action is importatnt to mantain fisiology and for the battle against patogenic factors.

But practically the sintomatology of Qi slowed down flow is sintomatic of what Qi is doing (or not doing) in that dominions and what to do to accelerate the flow (or the activity?).

and we can read this informations also in the pulse.

Marvi

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Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??

Are

In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of Wei Qi.

And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate daytime outside the body, and nigttime inside the body.

Marvi

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The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a vestige from six channel thinking.  My impression is that the return of wei qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@aol. com> wrote:

Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
through the Yang channels is still not clear.

How does it flow through

UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?

What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
above channels?

How long does it stay in each Yin channel?

._,___

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• Hi Marty, While the Ling Shu suggests the wei qi cascades through the yang organs: tai yang, shao yang, yang ming, Difficulty Fifty-Four from the Nan Jing
Message 8 of 12 , Jun 17, 2008
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Hi Marty,

While the Ling Shu suggests the wei qi cascades through the yang
organs: tai yang, shao yang, yang ming, Difficulty Fifty-Four from
the Nan Jing describes, "visceral, (yin) disease are hard to treat
because they transmit to where or what they overcome, (control
cycle). Bowel, (yang) diseases are easy to treat because they
transmit to their child, (generation cycle)."

The implication being that qi and marauding "evils" travel through
yin and yang organs via the generation and control cycles
respectively.

While it is unclear if this description relates to wei qi
specifically--- qi is described as traveling through the yang organs
via the generation cycle: Ub, Gb, Si, St, Li.

In Health,
Joe

--- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "martyeisen" <martyeisen@...>
wrote:
>
> What is the exact flow through the yang channels.
>
> Is it UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
>
> It flows 25 times in a 12 hour day period. How long does it spend
in a
> Yang channel and the Yin channels?
>

--- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "martyeisen" <martyeisen@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
> through the Yang channels is still not clear.
>
> How does it flow through
> UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
>
> What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
> above channels?
>
> How long does it stay in each Yin channel?
>
• Hi David, Chapter 53 & 54 both describe pathogen flow, but they differ greatly in the way in which this plays out. regarding Chapter 54, Hsu Ta Ch un
Message 9 of 12 , Jun 17, 2008
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Hi David,
Chapter 53 & 54  both describe pathogen flow, but they differ greatly in the way in which this plays out. regarding Chapter 54, Hsu Ta Ch'un comments, "This paragraph certainly does not agree with the Nei Jing; also, it contradicts the preceding  paragraph."

53 suggests that yin organs are subject to both control and generation cycles, where 54 maintains that yin and yang organs are relegated to control and generation cycles exclusively. For me, viewing these paragraphs together brings up more questions than answers.

Clearly though, we agree that Chapter 76 describes wei qi  flow through the six channels---but it also describes night time wei qi flowing through the yin organs along the control cycle.
The prescribed movement of evil pathogens through the yin organs as outlined in  the Nan Jing matches the way in which wei qi flows through the yin organs in the Nei Jing. It's my hypotheses that much in the same way, wei qi flows through the yang organs along the generating cycle.

As I'm sure you have experienced, sometimes in extrapolating theories from classical literature for clinical use, decisions have to be made about how to mix and match, not only from differing texts, but even from paragraph to paragraph.

In addition to control cycle assessment of the yin organs, (Per Will's Neoclassical teaching), I  have been assessing  yang organs via the generation cycle experimentally and have found it similarly efficacious.

In Health,
Joe

flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui@...> wrote:
I believe Nan Ching 53 and 54 need to be viewed together, as they talk
about both five phase cycles and the severity of when a pathogen is
transmitted in each cycle.

But these are not so much about Wei Qi flow but pathogen flow from
internal organs and not channels. More organ than channel (imho)

Channel flow varies, primary channels of meridian clock and as
mentioned before Tendo Channel flow beginning with Bladder and then
Six stages for legs then arms. E

regards,

david
www.healingqi. com

--- In PulseDiagnosis@ yahoogroups. com, "Joe" <qimoves@... > wrote:
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> While the Ling Shu suggests the wei qi cascades through the yang
> organs: tai yang, shao yang, yang ming, Difficulty Fifty-Four from
> the Nan Jing describes, "visceral, (yin) disease are hard to treat
> because they transmit to where or what they overcome, (control
> cycle). Bowel, (yang) diseases are easy to treat because they
> transmit to their child, (generation cycle)."
>
> The implication being that qi and marauding "evils" travel through
> yin and yang organs via the generation and control cycles
> respectively.
>
> While it is unclear if this description relates to wei qi
> specifically- -- qi is described as traveling through the yang organs
> via the generation cycle: Ub, Gb, Si, St, Li.
>
> In Health,
> Joe
>
>
> --- In PulseDiagnosis@ yahoogroups. com, "martyeisen" <martyeisen@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > What is the exact flow through the yang channels.
> >
> > Is it UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
> >
> > It flows 25 times in a 12 hour day period. How long does it spend
> in a
> > Yang channel and the Yin channels?
> >
>
>
>
> --- In PulseDiagnosis@ yahoogroups. com, "martyeisen" <martyeisen@ >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
> > through the Yang channels is still not clear.
> >
> > How does it flow through
> > UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
> >
> > What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
> > above channels?
> >
> > How long does it stay in each Yin channel?
> >
>

• Are and All - Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality, whether
Message 10 of 12 , Jun 19, 2008
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Are and All -

Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we
could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality,
whether metaphors of irrigation that we use in channel theory have any
greater or lesser illusion than contemporary technology and war. In
any regard, it appears that we agree that the map is not the
territory.

That said, we are discussing biological cycles that are part of whole
systems. As an eco--psycho-social phenomena, the nutrient qi is a
twelve fold diurnal cycle. The twelve channels are an arbitrary
division of the cutaneous regions. The corresponding six channel
system involves the anterior, posterior and sagital planes. Anterior
is Lu-LI-Sp-St, posterior is the Ht-SI-UB-K, sagital is Pc-SJ-GB-Lr.
The connection between these channels and the diurnal cycle provides a
systematic view of the movement of nutrient qi. This could be a
complete fallacy.

However, I am a pragmatist. When under the correct circumstances -
symptoms that have a tempo of the movement of nutrient qi (every two
hours or so) -I choose to evaluate and treat along the lines of this
particular world view, I am often met with clinical success. When I am
not, I abandon that view and select another that may help me identify
an effective course of action.

According to Morin, "Everything we know is subject to error and
illusion." (Morin, 2001 pp5) The nature of errors may be mental,
intellectual, reason, blinding by paradigms, imprints and
normalization, noology and possession, the unexpected and uncertainty.
I will classify the organization of qi movement in the channels
whether it is slow jing, yuan qi or nutrient and protective qi each
with different tempos of change as pertinent knowledge. This pertinent
knowledge involves a way of learning that is able to grasp "general,
fundamental problems and insert partial, circumscribed knowledge
within them." (Morin pp12) We need "methods of grasping mutual
relations and reciprocal influences between parts and the whole in a
complex world."

I think that your question about an 'illusion of circulation' engages
a necessary uncertainty into our dialogues.

Morin, E. (2001). Seven Lessons in Complex Education for the Future.
Paris: UNESCO.

Warmly,

Will

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Are Thoresen <arethore@...> wrote:
> Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the
> activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??
>
>
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> Are
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>
> Are Thoresen
>
> Tinghaugveien 435
>
> Gisleröd Gård
>
> N-3175 Ramnes
>
> telefon 33397930
>
>
>
> arethore@...
>
> are@...
>
>
>
> http://www.sanare.no
>
> http://www.sanare.no/naturmedisin
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>
>
>
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> ________________________________
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> På vegne av Marco Visconti
> Sendt: 15. juni 2008 21:36
> Til: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Circulation of Wei Qi (Defensive Qi)
>
>
>
> In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of
> Wei Qi.
>
> And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate
> daytime outside the body, and nigttime inside the body.
>
>
>
>
>
> Marvi
>
> --------------------------------
> The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a
> vestige from six channel thinking. My impression is that the return of wei
> qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai
> yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at
> the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel
> for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.
> ----------------------------
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
> through the Yang channels is still not clear.
>
> How does it flow through
>
> UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
>
> What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
> above channels?
>
> How long does it stay in each Yin channel?
>
> ._,___
>
>

--
Warmly,

Will

William R. Morris, DAOM, MSEd, LAc
http://theccrt.com/
http://www.aoma.edu/
http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/

When individuals come together with a shared intention, in a conducive
environment, something mysterious can come into being, with capacities
and intelligences that far transcend those of the individuals
involved.
• Another perspective about the movement of qi and whether or not it is real , could be seen from the action of water and waves. We think, based on our visual
Message 11 of 12 , Jun 20, 2008
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Another perspective about the movement of qi and whether or not it is "real", could be seen from the action of water and waves.  We think, based on our visual perception that the waves have a structure or inherent reality of water, but according to physics, the water doesn't move in waves, it's just moving in place.  Go figure!  ( I may not have described this well, but the description is close to accurate.  I am not a physicist or hydrologist.  Even though, much of what we do in acup. could be described in those terms.)

Steve Schachter

In a message dated 6/19/08 6:46:55 PM, wmorris33@... writes:

Are and All -

Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we
could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality,
whether metaphors of irrigation that we use in channel theory have any
greater or lesser illusion than contemporary technology and war. In
any regard, it appears that we agree that the map is not the
territory.

That said, we are discussing biological cycles that are part of whole
systems. As an eco--psycho- systems. As an eco--psycho-<wbr>socia
twelve fold diurnal cycle. The twelve channels are an arbitrary
division of the cutaneous regions. The corresponding six channel
system involves the anterior, posterior and sagital planes. Anterior
is Lu-LI-Sp-St, posterior is the Ht-SI-UB-K, sagital is Pc-SJ-GB-Lr.
The connection between these channels and the diurnal cycle provides a
systematic view of the movement of nutrient qi. This could be a
complete fallacy.

However, I am a pragmatist. When under the correct circumstances -
symptoms that have a tempo of the movement of nutrient qi (every two
hours or so) -I choose to evaluate and treat along the lines of this
particular world view, I am often met with clinical success. When I am
not, I abandon that view and select another that may help me identify
an effective course of action.

According to Morin, "Everything we know is subject to error and
illusion." (Morin, 2001 pp5) The nature of errors may be mental,
intellectual, reason, blinding by paradigms, imprints and
normalization, noology and possession, the unexpected and uncertainty.
I will classify the organization of qi movement in the channels
whether it is slow jing, yuan qi or nutrient and protective qi each
with different tempos of change as pertinent knowledge. This pertinent
knowledge involves a way of learning that is able to grasp "general,
fundamental problems and insert partial, circumscribed knowledge
within them." (Morin pp12) We need "methods of grasping mutual
relations and reciprocal influences between parts and the whole in a
complex world."

I think that your question about an 'illusion of circulation' engages
a necessary uncertainty into our dialogues.

Morin, E. (2001). Seven Lessons in Complex Education for the Future.
Paris: UNESCO.

Warmly,

Will

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Are Thoresen <
arethore@...> wrote:
> Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the
> activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??
>

**************
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• Hi Steve - This is an interesting point. What we do see in the wave is a difference. In terms of an aesthetic of judgment, we can decide that there are either
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Hi Steve -

This is an interesting point. What we do see in the wave is a
difference. In terms of an aesthetic of judgment, we can decide that
there are either no facts in nature, or there are an infinite number
of potential facts. In the objective world there are only forces and
impacts. While in the subjective world there are differences,
communication and organization. A difference cannot be localized.
There is a difference in the sound of heavy metal music and that of
chamber music. But the difference is not in the crunch of a metal
guitar power chord or in an exquisitely delicate cello part. The
difference cannot be touched. The difference is not in the space
between them. The difference is an idea. The subjective world is an
explanation that are the communication of ideas that are brought about
by differences. There are an infinite number of differences between a
superficial and a deep pulse but there are only a few differences that
are sufficient to make the difference that we call a deep or a
superficial pulse. The basis of collecting information from the pulse
– of knowledge building – is the difference which is how biological
systems communicate.

Warmly,

Will

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, <Steveacu1@...> wrote:
> Another perspective about the movement of qi and whether or not it is
> "real", could be seen from the action of water and waves. We think, based
> on our visual perception that the waves have a structure or inherent reality
> of water, but according to physics, the water doesn't move in waves, it's
> just moving in place. Go figure! ( I may not have described this well, but
> the description is close to accurate. I am not a physicist or hydl -
>
> Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we
> could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality,
> whether metaphors of irrigation that we use in channel theory have any
> greater or lesser illusion than contemporary technology and war. In
> any regard, it appears that we agree that the map is not the
> territory.
>
> That said, we are discussing biological cycles that are part of whole
> systems. As an eco--psycho- systems. As an eco--psycho-<wbr>socia
> twelve fold diurnal cycle. The twelve channels are an arbitrary
> division of the cutaneous regions. The corresponding six channel
> system involves the anterior, posterior and sagital planes. Anterior
> is Lu-LI-Sp-St, posterior is the Ht-SI-UB-K, sagital is Pc-SJ-GB-Lr.
> The connection between these channels and the diurnal cycle provides a
> systematic view of the movement of nutrient qi. This could be a
> complete fallacy.
>
> However, I am a pragmatist. When under the correct circumstances -
> symptoms that have a tempo of the movement of nutrient qi (every two
> hours or so) -I choose to evaluate and treat along the lines of this
> particular world view, I am often met with clinical success. When I am
> not, I abandon that view and select another that may help me identify
> an effective course of action.
>
> According to Morin, "Everything we know is subject to error and
> illusion." (Morin, 2001 pp5) The nature of errors may be mental,
> intellectual, reason, blinding by paradigms, imprints and
> normalization, noology and possession, the unexpected and uncertainty.
> I will classify the organization of qi movement in the channels
> whether it is slow jing, yuan qi or nutrient and protective qi each
> with different tempos of change as pertinent knowledge. This pertinent
> knowledge involves a way of learning that is able to grasp "general,
> fundamental problems and insert partial, circumscribed knowledge
> within them." (Morin pp12) We need "methods of grasping mutual
> relations and reciprocal influences between parts and the whole in a
> complex world."
>
> I think that your question about an 'illusion of circulation' engages
> a necessary uncertainty into our dialogues.
>
> Morin, E. (2001). Seven Lessons in Complex Education for the Future.
> Paris: UNESCO.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Will
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Are Thoresen <
> arethore@...> wrote:
>> Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the
>> activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>
>

--
Warmly,

Will

William R. Morris, DAOM, MSEd, LAc
http://theccrt.com/
http://www.aoma.edu/
http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/

When individuals come together with a shared intention, in a conducive
environment, something mysterious can come into being, with capacities
and intelligences that far transcend those of the individuals
involved.
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