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Pugio ? Blade

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  • compressore_shop
    Dear Group-Members, I have aquired a German roman collection some time ago. One of the items is a roman blade, found 1973 in the Rhine at Mainz (Mogontiacum).
    Message 1 of 6 , Nov 20, 2010
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      Dear Group-Members,

      I have aquired a German roman collection some time ago. One of the items is a roman blade, found 1973 in the Rhine at Mainz (Mogontiacum).
      The blade is in very well condition and is, from my point of view, a early Pugio blade.
      I have scanned through my library but I could not find an exact reference for this.
      Any help is appreciated. I have created a photo folder, name: "Not yet identified" with three high resolution photos.
      Measurements of the blade are:
      Length: 28 cm 8(11 inch), width (broadest) 3,8 cm (1,5 inch)


      Thank you for any comments to this blade.

      Christian Ziehe
      Cologne
      Germany
    • David Wills
      It s in astonishingly good condition!  The size is much too short for anything but a pugio.  I am not educated enough in blades to make any real
      Message 2 of 6 , Nov 20, 2010
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        It's in astonishingly good condition!  The size is much too short for anything but a pugio.  I am not educated enough in blades to make any real determination, but it looks to me like you have quite a nice blade there.  Congratulations.

        Saepe veritas est dura.
        ---M. Demetrius Abicio

        --- On Sat, 11/20/10, compressore_shop <shop@...> wrote:

        From: compressore_shop <shop@...>
        Subject: [Pugio] Pugio ? Blade
        To: Pugio@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 2:13 AM

         

        Dear Group-Members,

        I have aquired a German roman collection some time ago. One of the items is a roman blade, found 1973 in the Rhine at Mainz (Mogontiacum).
        The blade is in very well condition and is, from my point of view, a early Pugio blade.
        I have scanned through my library but I could not find an exact reference for this.
        Any help is appreciated. I have created a photo folder, name: "Not yet identified" with three high resolution photos.
        Measurements of the blade are:
        Length: 28 cm 8(11 inch), width (broadest) 3,8 cm (1,5 inch)

        Thank you for any comments to this blade.

        Christian Ziehe
        Cologne
        Germany


      • david clifton
        With the length sounds like it could be late empire with the length of it-----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:20:58 To:
        Message 3 of 6 , Nov 20, 2010
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          With the length sounds like it could be late empire with the length of it


          -----Original Message-----
          Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:20:58
          To: Pugio@yahoogroups.com
          From: "David Wills" <dwills777@...>
          Subject: Re: [Pugio] Pugio ? Blade

          It's in astonishingly good condition!  The size is much too short for anything but a pugio.  I am not educated enough in blades to make any real determination, but it looks to me like you have quite a nice blade there.  Congratulations.

          Saepe veritas est dura.

          ---M. Demetrius Abicio

          --- On Sat, 11/20/10, compressore_shop <shop@...> wrote:

          From: compressore_shop <shop@...>
          Subject: [Pugio] Pugio ? Blade
          To: Pugio@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 2:13 AM







           









          Dear Group-Members,



          I have aquired a German roman collection some time ago. One of the items is a roman blade, found 1973 in the Rhine at Mainz (Mogontiacum).

          The blade is in very well condition and is, from my point of view, a early Pugio blade.

          I have scanned through my library but I could not find an exact reference for this.

          Any help is appreciated. I have created a photo folder, name: "Not yet identified" with three high resolution photos.

          Measurements of the blade are:

          Length: 28 cm 8(11 inch), width (broadest) 3,8 cm (1,5 inch)



          Thank you for any comments to this blade.



          Christian Ziehe

          Cologne

          Germany
        • Paul Geddes
          It is a type A blade with a rod tang. It is reasonably narrow but this is far from unusual and the length, although it is indeed long, is still within the
          Message 4 of 6 , Nov 20, 2010
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            It is a type 'A' blade with a rod tang. It is reasonably narrow but this is far from unusual and the length, although it is indeed long, is still within the known range for first century AD pugios. I would tentatively ascribe a mid to late first century AD date, although with no context to inform us it is impossible to be sure.

            Do you know if it was found in association with other things which might date it more securely?

            Crispvs
          • shop@compressore.com
            Dear group-members, thank you for your answers. Unfortunately I was told that blade was a single found without a context (as it happens mostly for river
            Message 5 of 6 , Nov 21, 2010
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              Dear group-members,


              thank you for your answers. Unfortunately I was told that blade was a single found without a context (as it happens mostly for river finds). At Mainz (Mogontiacum), legions were stationed from 13 AC to the end of the 3rd century. So this gives also no "narrowing" point.


              Can somebody please let me know some specialist literature referring to pugio types ?

               

              Thank you

               

              Christian 

               

               

              Paul Geddes <pgeddes@...> hat am 21. November 2010 um 02:48 geschrieben:

              > It is a type 'A' blade with a rod tang.  It is reasonably narrow but this is far from unusual and the length, although it is indeed long, is still within the known range for first century AD pugios.  I would tentatively ascribe a mid to late first century AD date, although with no context to inform us it is impossible to be sure. 
              >
              > Do you know if it was found in association with other things which might date it more securely?
              >
              > Crispvs
              >
            • M.Demetrivs
              I just noticed how much like the photo on this group s cover picture your blade is. Can they be compared that way?
              Message 6 of 6 , Nov 22, 2010
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                I just noticed how much like the photo on this group's cover picture your blade is. Can they be compared that way?

                --- In Pugio@yahoogroups.com, "compressore_shop" <shop@...> wrote:
                >
                > Dear Group-Members,
                >
                > I have aquired a German roman collection some time ago. One of the items is a roman blade, found 1973 in the Rhine at Mainz (Mogontiacum).
                > The blade is in very well condition and is, from my point of view, a early Pugio blade.
                > I have scanned through my library but I could not find an exact reference for this.
                > Any help is appreciated. I have created a photo folder, name: "Not yet identified" with three high resolution photos.
                > Measurements of the blade are:
                > Length: 28 cm 8(11 inch), width (broadest) 3,8 cm (1,5 inch)
                >
                >
                > Thank you for any comments to this blade.
                >
                > Christian Ziehe
                > Cologne
                > Germany
                >
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