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  • sergeent@aol.com
    Hi, Rich: Yes, there is an Asia Featuring John Payne featuring the former vocalist from the later era of the Original Asia. The lineup includes John Payne,
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 30, 2010
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      Hi, Rich:

      Yes, there is an Asia Featuring John Payne featuring the former vocalist from the later era of the Original Asia. The lineup includes John Payne, Mitch Perry, Erik Norlander, and Jay Schellen, and they put on an awesome show. AFJP perform the original Asia tunes and their new music. They will be releasing a CD in summer via Steve Vai's Favored Nations label. More info is at
      http://www.theasiaband.com.

      Sandy

    • sdavmor
      ... When Asia had become a band-name legally owned by Geoff Downes he sold a half-interest in the band s name (which later might possibly have been 50% if
      Message 2 of 11 , Mar 30, 2010
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        On 03/30/2010 04:25 PM, sergeent@... wrote:
        >
        > Hi, Rich:
        >
        > Yes, there is an Asia Featuring John Payne featuring the former
        > vocalist from the later era of the Original Asia. The lineup
        > includes John Payne, Mitch Perry, Erik Norlander, and Jay Schellen,
        > and they put on an awesome show. AFJP perform the original Asia
        > tunes and their new music. They will be releasing a CD in summer
        > via Steve Vai's Favored Nations label. More info is at
        > http://www.theasiaband.com
        >
        > Sandy

        When Asia had become a band-name legally owned by Geoff Downes he sold
        a half-interest in the band's name (which later might possibly have
        been > 50% if rumor is to be believed) to his business/band-mate John
        Payne. Later when the original Asia wanted to reform there was the
        problem that Payne -- quite properly -- legally did not want to give
        up his interest in Asia.

        As I understand it, the compromise deal for him to get out of the way
        was that he could continue to operate as Asia Featuring John Payne
        while selling back his substantial ownership interest in Asia. This
        also kept the door open for Geoff Downes in the event of the original
        Asia imploding.

        Had Payne been a 'good guy" and got out of the way he'd have been a
        schmuck that got screwed. Unfortunately bands aren't like football
        teams with personnel turnover. While I'd prefer to see Payne et al
        operating as GPS (his side-project before the original Asia reunion)
        it is all about business, and GPS will probably play to 50-75 people
        in clubs whereas the same 4 guys will play to 200-250 a night (maybe
        more) when operating as Asia Featuring John Payne.
        --
        Cheers, SDM -- a 21st Century Schizoid Man
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      • biceeichler
        ... On the other hand, he s risking alienating a good percentage of those extra 150 people who came expecting to see Geoff Downes, Steve Howe, Carl Palmer
        Message 3 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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          --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, sdavmor <sdavmor@...> wrote:
          >
          > Had Payne been a 'good guy" and got out of the way he'd have been a
          > schmuck that got screwed. Unfortunately bands aren't like football
          > teams with personnel turnover. While I'd prefer to see Payne et al
          > operating as GPS (his side-project before the original Asia reunion)
          > it is all about business, and GPS will probably play to 50-75 people
          > in clubs whereas the same 4 guys will play to 200-250 a night (maybe
          > more) when operating as Asia Featuring John Payne.


          On the other hand, he's risking alienating a good percentage of
          those extra 150 people who came expecting to see Geoff Downes,
          Steve Howe, Carl Palmer and/or John Wetton. I don't know that
          it's worth playing a show to a bunch of people who are thinking
          "Who are these guys?"

          Reminds me of the time my father-in-law bought tickets for the
          whole family to go see the comedian Gallagher, who he was a big
          fan of. The show as billed as "Gallagher II, the Sequel", and
          it turned out it was actually the famous guy's brother doing
          the same material only not nearly as funny. I was susipcious
          going in about why Gallagher would be playing a tiny little
          room at a Holiday Inn or wherever that show was.

          Anyway, after that my father-in-law swore he would never watch
          Gallagher again.

          -- Bob
        • stevesly@aol.com
          Yes, I remember that whole Gallagher thing. I think the real Gallagher ended up suing his brother. Wierd...... Steve ... From: biceeichler
          Message 4 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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            Yes, I remember that whole Gallagher thing.  I think the real Gallagher ended up suing his brother.  Wierd......
             
            Steve



            -----Original Message-----
            From: biceeichler <eichler2@...>
            To: ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wed, Mar 31, 2010 5:57 am
            Subject: [ProgAndOther] Re: Asia, WTF????

             

            --- In ProgAndOther@ yahoogroups. com, sdavmor <sdavmor@... > wrote:
            >
            > Had Payne been a 'good guy" and got out of the way he'd have been a
            > schmuck that got screwed. Unfortunately bands aren't like football
            > teams with personnel turnover. While I'd prefer to see Payne et al
            > operating as GPS (his side-project before the original Asia reunion)
            > it is all about business, and GPS will probably play to 50-75 people
            > in clubs whereas the same 4 guys will play to 200-250 a night (maybe
            > more) when operating as Asia Featuring John Payne.

            On the other hand, he's risking alienating a good percentage of
            those extra 150 people who came expecting to see Geoff Downes,
            Steve Howe, Carl Palmer and/or John Wetton. I don't know that
            it's worth playing a show to a bunch of people who are thinking
            "Who are these guys?"

            Reminds me of the time my father-in-law bought tickets for the
            whole family to go see the comedian Gallagher, who he was a big
            fan of. The show as billed as "Gallagher II, the Sequel", and
            it turned out it was actually the famous guy's brother doing
            the same material only not nearly as funny. I was susipcious
            going in about why Gallagher would be playing a tiny little
            room at a Holiday Inn or wherever that show was.

            Anyway, after that my father-in-law swore he would never watch
            Gallagher again.

            -- Bob

          • T. J. Higgins
            ... Sued the brother and won. Wikipedia has the story:
            Message 5 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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              On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 06:10:32AM -0400, stevesly@... wrote:
              >
              > Yes, I remember that whole Gallagher thing. I think the real Gallagher ended up suing his brother. Wierd......

              Sued the brother and won. Wikipedia has the story:
              <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_(comedian)#The_.E2.80.9CGallagher_Too.2FTwo.E2.80.9D_controversy>

              T.J.
            • T. J. Higgins
              ... Sounds cool, hope they will do a show around here. Turtles band members info: T.J.
              Message 6 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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                On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:19:03PM +0000, progholio@... wrote:
                > Speaking of cheap casino shows, Connie and i recently went to see The Turtles featuring Flo & Eddie. We were expecting a fairly entertaining show of cool old tunes by some guys on an oldies tour. We were knocked out by the fact that these guys still sounded great, the band was far from some pickup band assembled for a quick buck, there was Greg Hawkes, founding member of The Cars on keyboards, the drummer (whose name escapes me) toured with MIck Ronson, Meatloaf and a host of other big names, guitar player and bass player with big resumes as well. Song list included every Turtles song you'd want to hear and then some, and about a 10 minute set of Frank Zappa material, entertaining as hell i'll tell you. This was the sleeper show of the last few years.

                Sounds cool, hope they will do a show around here.
                Turtles band members info:
                <http://www.theturtles.com/documents/turtles_now.html>

                T.J.
              • sergeent@aol.com
                What makes you think John Payne isn t a good guy? Do you know him personally? Remember that there are always two sides to the story and I think we should give
                Message 7 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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                  What makes you think John Payne isn't a good guy? Do you know him personally? Remember that there are always two sides to the story and I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He is just trying to earn a living in this business and it's really tough out there right now.

                  Sandy
                  In a message dated 3/31/10 6:10:57 AM, stevesly@... writes:



                  > Had Payne been a 'good guy" and got out of the way he'd have been a
                  > schmuck that got screwed.


                • sdavmor
                  ... I m not knocking John Payne, and I do think he s a good guy. John (and Geoff) and my cousin David are drinking/soccer watching buddies when John is here in
                  Message 8 of 11 , Mar 31, 2010
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                    On 03/31/2010 12:36 PM, sergeent@... wrote:

                    > What makes you think John Payne isn't a good guy? Do you know him
                    > personally?

                    I'm not knocking John Payne, and I do think he's a good guy. John (and
                    Geoff) and my cousin David are drinking/soccer watching buddies when
                    John is here in SoCal. One of these holidays John will no doubt be
                    over at my house if he has nowhere else to be. But I don't know him
                    personally in the same way David does, other than to shake his hand,
                    say hi, and buy him a pint once.

                    > Remember that there are always two sides to the story and I think
                    > we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He is just trying to
                    > earn a living in this business and it's really tough out there
                    > right now.

                    er...yeah. That's pretty much what I said. I think you're looking
                    through the wrong end of the telescope completely.

                    > Sandy In a message dated 3/31/10 6:10:57 AM, stevesly@...
                    > writes:
                    >>
                    >>> Had Payne been a 'good guy" and got out of the way he'd have
                    >>> been a schmuck that got screwed.
                    --
                    Cheers, SDM -- a 21st Century Schizoid Man
                    Systems Theory project website: http://systemstheory.net
                    find us on MySpace, GarageBand, Reverb Nation, Last FM, CDBaby
                    free MP3s of Systems Theory, Mike Dickson & Greg Amov music at
                    http://mikedickson.org.uk
                  • biceeichler
                    ... Thanks for that link. I always wondered what the story was there. That Gallagher (the famous one) must be a piece of work. Sounds like his family
                    Message 9 of 11 , Apr 1, 2010
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                      --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, "T. J. Higgins " <tjhiggin@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Sued the brother and won. Wikipedia has the story:
                      > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_(comedian)#The_.E2.80.9CGallagher_Too.2FTwo.E2.80.9D_controversy>


                      Thanks for that link. I always wondered what the story was there.

                      That Gallagher (the famous one) must be a piece of work. Sounds
                      like his family practically disowned him for sueing his brother
                      (although I can see his side of it).

                      I know the Mystery Science Theater guys never liked Gallagher and
                      frequently made fun of him. I did a Google search and found this
                      interview with Joel Hodgeson that explains why:

                      http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38901

                      I was particulaly interested in the last answer - I didn't know
                      Joel had talked with Frank Zappa about the frequent Zappa
                      references on MST3K. Interesting.

                      -- Bob

                      PS Happy Fool's Day!
                    • sdavmor
                      ... Or what about the in-fighting and lawsuits in the Bachman family and other band-members of BTO relating to the touring and/or recording as Bachman-Turner
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 1, 2010
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                        On 04/01/2010 03:56 PM, biceeichler wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, "T. J. Higgins "<tjhiggin@...>
                        > wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Sued the brother and won. Wikipedia has the story:
                        >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_(comedian)#The_.E2.80.9CGallagher_Too.2FTwo.E2.80.9D_controversy>
                        >
                        >>
                        >
                        > Thanks for that link. I always wondered what the story was there.
                        >
                        > That Gallagher (the famous one) must be a piece of work. Sounds
                        > like his family practically disowned him for sueing his brother
                        > (although I can see his side of it).
                        >
                        > I know the Mystery Science Theater guys never liked Gallagher and
                        > frequently made fun of him. I did a Google search and found this
                        > interview with Joel Hodgeson that explains why:
                        >
                        > http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38901
                        >
                        > I was particulaly interested in the last answer - I didn't know
                        > Joel had talked with Frank Zappa about the frequent Zappa
                        > references on MST3K. Interesting.
                        >
                        > -- Bob
                        >
                        > PS Happy Fool's Day!

                        Or what about the in-fighting and lawsuits in the Bachman family and
                        other band-members of BTO relating to the touring and/or recording as
                        Bachman-Turner Overdrive? I imagine holiday family get-togethers must
                        be a barrel-load of fun! Hence Randy Bachman and Fred Turner on tour
                        without Blair Thornton or either of the other two Bachman brothers as
                        Bachman-Turner (sans overdrive).
                        --
                        Cheers, SDM -- a 21st Century Schizoid Man
                        Systems Theory project website: http://systemstheory.net
                        find us on MySpace, GarageBand, Reverb Nation, Last FM, CDBaby
                        free MP3s of Systems Theory, Mike Dickson & Greg Amov music at
                        http://mikedickson.org.uk
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