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  • stevesly@aol.com
    Andy wrote: , but I just can t get into college sports-maybe it s because we don t really have an equivilent level of sport over here.
    Message 1 of 15 , Jun 9, 2005
      Andy wrote:
       
      ,>> but I
      just can't get into college sports-maybe it's because we don't really have
      an equivilent level of sport over here.<<
       
      We have Western Michigan University here in Kalamazoo and they draw very well for Hockey (they play in the CCHA), but I must admit I have not attended that many games.  Hockey is one game where you can really see a difference between the pros (even minor league level) and the college level.  The college game is much slower and more sloppy.  That is not to say that it is not good and can't be enjoyed, but I love college Football and Basketball, but have always had a difficult time getting into college hockey.
       
      >>The big hockey hotbeds like Detroit and Toronto will
      be fine, they'd sell out to watch the ice melt in those cities, but it could
      be a tough ask in some of the smaller or less traditional hockey cities.<<
       
      I agree, there are some cities where it will die, I have no doubt.
       
      >>Any sign of this whole sorry mess ending yet?<<
       
      They get together to talk on occasion, but so far there is not much (if any) progress.
       
      >>teams here-Eric Cairns finished up (allegedly) punching  a linesman's lights
      out in his last game here, though on the other hand, you heard how well
      players like Wade Belak did at their clubs in helping to promote the sport
      in their local area as well asputting in a lot of effort on the ice for his
      team who finished up as unexpected champions<<
       
      Yea, there were NHL'ers playing all over Europe this year.  Several of the Red Wings even signed on with Detroit's minor league UHL franchise which was fun when they came to town. 
       
      Steve Sly
      Progday XI
      (NP - IQ - Ever)

    • biceeichler
      ... I dunno, I went to see Penn State s hockey team play several times over the last year and it was pretty entertaining. They re not even in the top league
      Message 2 of 15 , Jun 10, 2005
        --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, stevesly@a... wrote:
        >
        > Andy wrote:
        >
        >> but I just can't get into college sports-maybe it's because we
        >> don't really have an equivilent level of sport over here.
        >
        > Hockey is one game where you can really see a difference between
        > the pros (even minor league level) and the college level. The
        > college game is much slower and more sloppy.

        I dunno, I went to see Penn State's hockey team play several times
        over the last year and it was pretty entertaining. They're not
        even in the top league of college hockey teams and I was surprised
        at how good they (and most of the teams they played) were. On the
        other hand there were a couple teams that looked like they shouldn't
        have been on the same ice, which lead to an 11-0 blowout in one game.


        >>Any sign of this whole sorry mess ending yet?<<
        >
        > They get together to talk on occasion, but so far there is not
        > much (if any) progress.

        Big rumor yesterday was that both sides (players and owners) have
        agreed to specific salary cap floor/ceiling numbers, which was
        the major roadblock. They still have to work out a ton of other
        details like arbitration, free agency, etc, so the whole thing
        could still fall apart at any time, but for the first time I get
        the feeling that there might actually be light at the end of the
        tunnel.

        -- Bob "Bice" Eichler, who promises that his next post will be
        about music
      • barnestoneworth
        ... From: biceeichler ... Well, being used to a lower level of pro hockey over here, the college game over there seemed pretty similar
        Message 3 of 15 , Jun 10, 2005
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "biceeichler" <eichler@...>

          > --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, stevesly@a... wrote:
          >>
          >> Andy wrote:
          >>
          >>> but I just can't get into college sports-maybe it's because we
          >>> don't really have an equivilent level of sport over here.
          >>
          >> Hockey is one game where you can really see a difference between
          >> the pros (even minor league level) and the college level. The
          >> college game is much slower and more sloppy.
          >
          > I dunno, I went to see Penn State's hockey team play several times
          > over the last year and it was pretty entertaining. They're not
          > even in the top league of college hockey teams and I was surprised
          > at how good they (and most of the teams they played) were. On the
          > other hand there were a couple teams that looked like they shouldn't
          > have been on the same ice, which lead to an 11-0 blowout in one game.

          Well, being used to a lower level of 'pro' hockey over here, the college
          game over there seemed pretty similar to what we get to see week in, week
          out. A few years ago, there was quit a bit of money sloshing around in our
          pro game, and we started seeing a lot of AHL/IHL guys-even some NHL-ers who
          were out of contract-coming here as a 'shop window' for the major European
          leagues in Sweden/Finland/Germany/Switzerland. We seemed to have half the
          last Pittsburgh Penguins Stanley Cup winning team here at one stage, in fact
          Frank Pietrangelo virtually won a championship and a cup single handedly!!
          Sadly, the money men got cold feet, the 'big name' players left, and now the
          level of the game is somewhere around he ECHL or college game. It's still
          entertaining-possibly more entertaining than it was when the actual quality
          of player was higher. I do hope the NHL get rid of the centre line-We've not
          had it here for several years now, and it really does open the game up more
          than any of the other rule 'tweaks' they've tried over the years.

          >
          >
          >>>Any sign of this whole sorry mess ending yet?<<
          >>
          >> They get together to talk on occasion, but so far there is not
          >> much (if any) progress.
          >
          > Big rumor yesterday was that both sides (players and owners) have
          > agreed to specific salary cap floor/ceiling numbers, which was
          > the major roadblock. They still have to work out a ton of other
          > details like arbitration, free agency, etc, so the whole thing
          > could still fall apart at any time, but for the first time I get
          > the feeling that there might actually be light at the end of the
          > tunnel.

          I heard that too-I just hope it's not a train coming the other way!!!


          Andy
        • jeffoaster
          ... One thing I wonder about the NHL if it returns: Will they still have the same amount of teams, or will it come back in a reduced state? I think part of the
          Message 4 of 15 , Jun 10, 2005
            --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, "barnestoneworth" <deadwing@n...>
            wrote:
            >
            > - I get
            > > the feeling that there might actually be light at the end of the
            > > tunnel.
            >
            > I heard that too-I just hope it's not a train coming the other way!!!
            >
            >


            One thing I wonder about the NHL if it returns: Will they still have
            the same amount of teams, or will it come back in a reduced state? I
            think part of the NHL's problem was that they overexpanded (especially
            into "non-Hockey" cities like Nashville), thus diluting the talent
            pool and causing the game to become very boring - instead of exciting
            5-3 games, every game became a 2-2 tie. I'm sure the players would be
            strongly against that, considering that every team that folds would
            mean that 20+ players would be out of work.

            Jeez, now I need to think of something musical to get back on topic.

            ....

            ....

            Ah hell, I can't think of anything so I'll just randomly fire off some
            thoughts:

            - I find it odd that Van der Graaf Generator has stated that they
            won't come to the U.S.A. I'm sure they could come over for a week,
            play three gigs (Philly, New York, Chicago?) in +/- 600 seat theaters,
            and not take a bath financially.

            - Nice Prog Day line-up so far. I just hope Nektar doesn't hijack the
            festival like they did at NearFest. I doubt I'll be able to afford to
            go, unless there is a "Holy Sh**!" band booked.

            - Is it just me or is there a general feeling of prog burnout/malaise
            going around the prog community? While this list has been slow for a
            few months, my guess is that it is just me - I just find myself not as
            interested in good ole' proggy prog. Odd that this would happen at the
            time when there is a definite prog resurgence in the mainstream - punk
            bands are releasing concept albums with 9 minute songs, the Mars Volta
            are selling out wherever they play, etc. Hell, I was really surprised
            to hear the opening track off of a Good Charlotte album that sounded
            like a poor man's Dream Theater.


            I guess that's enough for now.

            - Jeff, whose boss is away on a business trip in Vegas.

            NP: Tarentel, Latency
          • stevesly@aol.com
            ... won t come to the U.S.A. I m sure they could come over for a week, play three gigs (Philly, New York, Chicago?) in +/- 600 seat theaters, and not take a
            Message 5 of 15 , Jun 10, 2005
               
              >>- I find it odd that Van der Graaf Generator has stated that they
              won't come to the U.S.A. I'm sure they could come over for a week,
              play three gigs (Philly, New York, Chicago?) in +/- 600 seat theaters,
               and not take a bath financially.<<
              It would be cool if Rob and Chad could get them to do NEARfest 06.  I have no idea what 
              the chances of that would be though.  I doubt that Progday could afford them.
              
              
              >>- Nice Prog Day line-up so far. I just hope Nektar doesn't hijack the
              festival like they did at NearFest. I doubt I'll be able to afford to go, unless there is a "Holy Sh**!" band booked.<<
              Not sure what you mean by "hijack the festival" but they will be the last band playing
              on Sunday night.  So what would be a "holy shit" band for you?  We still have 3 slots to
              announce........
              Steve Sly
              Progday XI
              (NP - Peter Gabriel - II)
              
              
              
              
              
              
            • jeffoaster
              ... last band playing ... To me (and a few others), at NF they seemed to think it was the NEktARfest - even their shirts proclaiming it as the Nektar Reunion
              Message 6 of 15 , Jun 11, 2005
                --- In ProgAndOther@yahoogroups.com, stevesly@a... wrote:
                >

                > Not sure what you mean by "hijack the festival" but they will be the
                last band playing
                > on Sunday night.


                To me (and a few others), at NF they seemed to think it was the
                NEktARfest - even their shirts proclaiming it as the "Nektar Reunion"
                concert or something. And the fact that they scheduled an autograph
                session during another band's performance was a bit of a low class
                move. And it was pretty obvious that a significant portion of fans
                showed up just for Nektar - I was sitting in the nosebleed section and
                me and my buddy Steve were stretched out over about five seats for
                pretty much every act except for Nektar



                So what would be a "holy shit" band for you? We still have 3 slots to
                > announce........
                >

                Ellerbee Percussion Quartet, if you could afford them. Their leader is
                quite a tightwad. 8^)

                Seriously though, my list of "holy shitters" would probaly be bands
                that are quite unlikely to get booked. Pulsar would definitely be one
                (they have been doing some shows in France, and someone close to band
                gave a vague announcement over at Progressive Ears about 2005 being a
                "big year" for Pulsar.) Nebelnest is another, and I believe they are
                broken up. Magma is too expensive (although One Shot would be a nice
                alternative. I think Team Vander has been keeping them quite busy
                though). I'd probably make the trip if Explosions in the Sky were
                booked - somehow I envision them being perfect opening up on Sunday
                morning, with the dew on the grass, the sun coming over the trees, and
                a hungover Bice smoking a cigar and reading Doonsbury.

                There's probably a few others as well - a band from the Nil (Nil,
                Thork or Syrinx) Family or a Zuffanti related band (Finisterre, MdC)
                would certainly get my attention. I still haven't ruled out going,
                especially since I think that my older daughter would probably really
                enjoy herself.

                Hope that helps.

                - Jeff
              • RapIsEvilCulture@aol.com
                I am not much of a Hockey fan so not to upset that the season was cancelled, plus we have minor league hockey here in Las Vegas, but i have never gone, minor
                Message 7 of 15 , Jun 11, 2005
                  I am not much of a Hockey fan so not to upset that the season was cancelled, plus we have minor league hockey here in Las Vegas, but i have never gone, minor league baseball yes, hockey no. But i do like hockey when it comes to being in a movie. Any of you have a favorite themed hockey movie? I have always liked Mystry, Alaska and of course i thought Miracle from a few years ago was real good too.
                   
                  Russell
                • stevesly@aol.com
                  ... cancelled, plus we have minor league hockey here in Las Vegas, but i have never gone,
                  Message 8 of 15 , Jun 11, 2005
                    Russell wrote:
                     
                    >>I am not much of a Hockey fan so not to upset that the season was cancelled, plus we have minor league hockey here in Las Vegas, but i have never gone,<<
                     
                    That's interesting, I live in Michigan, and have been to a hockey game in  Vegas.  Back when Vegas had an IHL franchise we happened to be out there on vacation when Kalamazoo was playing.  They even put me up on the big jumbo tron TV until they realized I had a Kalamazoo Wings shirt on.  Then the whole arena started booing me.  A few minutes later the Vegas mascot (I think it was a polar bear or something) came up to our seats and started pretending to beat me up.  This was also shown on the jumbo tron to a volley of cheers from the crowd.  My 15 minutes of fame in Vegas :-).  
                     
                     >>minor league baseball yes,<<
                     
                    If we are ever out in Vegas during the season we usually try to catch a 51's game.  It is a nice little stadium with a cool view of the mountains.  We have been to quite a few games there.  It always amazes me the people who vacation in Vegas and never check out all of the non-casino things there are to do there.
                     
                    >> But i do like hockey when it comes to being in a movie. Any of you have a favorite themed hockey movie? I have always liked Mystry, Alaska and of course i thought Miracle from a few years ago was real good too.<<
                     
                    I think to most hockey fans the ultimate hockey movie is "Slap Shot" with Paul Newman.  It remains a classic.  "Mystry Alaska" was pretty good too.  A bit clinched, but overall a decent flick.  "Miracle" was a lot better than I expected it to be.  I really enjoyed it.  I can still remember when the events in that film actually happened.  It was probably one of the biggest moment in American sports in it's entire history.
                     
                    Steve Sly
                    Progday XI
                    (NP - Le Orme - Florian)
                  • RapIsEvilCulture@aol.com
                    In a message dated 6/13/2005 4:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stevesly@aol.com writes: That s interesting, I live in Michigan, and have been to a hockey
                    Message 9 of 15 , Jun 13, 2005
                      In a message dated 6/13/2005 4:58:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stevesly@... writes:
                      That's interesting, I live in Michigan, and have been to a hockey game in  Vegas.  Back when Vegas had an IHL franchise we happened to be out there on vacation when Kalamazoo was playing. 
                      Today Las Vegas has a team in the ECHL East Coast Hockey League, which has really expanded west, and the games are at The Orleans Arena and not the Thomas and Mack center where the IHL games were played. I go to see a minor league baseball game here once in awhile at Cashman Field and when i do go, i root against the home team, the reason, they are a Dodgers farm team and i grew up in Northern California as a SF Giants fan.
                       
                      Russell
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