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Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] peru by squier

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  • mike white
    paula baker sten is not a member here. i see that her home was listed atlantic mine michigan. a up newspaper might know if she has passed. her work finding
    Message 1 of 27 , Mar 7, 2007
       
          paula baker sten is not a member here.  i see that her home was listed atlantic mine michigan.  a up newspaper might know if she has passed.  her work finding a connection of native languages to basque sounds interesting, and promising. 
         coricancha temple of the sun at cuzco was oriented northeast by southwest, as were many ancient public buildings in the americas of a remote era. 
         private museums in cuzco had some of the goldern plates that covered the sun temple, 'not thicker than fine note paper'.   the chroniclers reported that the golder nails that held the plates were themselves worth a fortune. 
         btw, author reports serpents were a royal symbol of the incas inferring the sun, where it seems more likely they were connected to the kundalini force within. 
         when speaking of gables, squier had indicated humboldt was in error because he had not visited the sierra of peru, yet later he quotes him on the masonry of cuzco.  going to cuzco and failing to see tiwanaku, is like visiting cairo and neglecting giza. 
         at cuzco, 'there do not remain traces of more than fourteen palaces.'  he uses this to support the shorter king list.  there were other capitols.   
          he thinks the reports of 200,000 at cuzco was wrong, never over 50,000.  he also considers the moorish additions well-built. 
         [  it looks like the zigzag walls of sacsahuaman were used to protect the accessible portion of a promonitory, used as a citadel by the pre-incan builders.  one might expect that the builders had works in the valley below where is cuzco.  its possible that the great cyclopean works seen in cuzco were adopted from previous ruins, and the inca only layered his smaller stones atop existing walls, like done at the fortress.   often is seen adobe blocks atop massive stones.   why else would the last viracocha clear a lava bed to build atop massive stone foundations in an area unconnected with his vision, at cacha instead of chita?  a modern engineer could turn out all the men of cuzco, and still be unable to cut, transport 22 miles, and fit such stones.  ] 
         squier found a subterranean passage, but doubts that it reached to cuzco.  [the cliff face toward cuzco looks much eroded, so was once a larger area contained above. ] 
         the tired stone of about 1000 tons may have a model plan of the works carved atop it. 
         moderns have removed the terraces and retaining walls of stone from the cliff face of sacsahuaman, which will lead to its rapid erosion until its all fell down the slope. 
         squier says much of the stones used are of blue limestone quarried on site. 
       
      mike
       
        
    • mike white
      chingana is the tunnels below sacsahuaman, called a labyrinth. the chairs of the inca would easily fit 25 ft giants. squier s party had stones rolled down upon
      Message 2 of 27 , Mar 7, 2007
         
           chingana is the tunnels below sacsahuaman, called a labyrinth. 
           the chairs of the inca would easily fit 25 ft giants. 
           squier's party had stones rolled down upon them when they returned to the coast, thru the defiles they passed.  treasure hunters failed to loot them of supposed tapadas. 
           the valley of yucay was the tropical resort of the inca. 
           ruins are shown on the map at calca, which must be near machu picchu. 
           [ im of the opinion that the term glacier should not be used for the permanent snow-pack on high mountains, unless its in movement.  they move if their residual magnetism is at variance with current location. ]  
           invaders coming from the plains of the amazon must pass thru the defile of ollantaytambo. 
         
         
           this fortress like tiwanaku has cyclopean blocks secured with t clamps of alloy.  as elsewhere, it looks like the masons stopped, and never finished the works.  blocks lay along the inclined plane, one 21.5 ft x 15 ft x  5 ft thick above ground.  slopes are fully terraced for cultivation.  greed cheated science on the content of the alloy.  its certain that the mountains were in place before the fortress was built, but unclear what elevation existed then for the valley.  
           this book is fully illustrated with drawings, unfortunate that the photographer died so early.  i spent a few hours using google earth to study peru, many remote signs of constructions, but unable to tell if ancient or modern at the resolution.  several corrals noted at high places for gathering vicuna for shearing remain intact. 
           the crude suspension bridges called mimbres still existed by the thousands in peru at squier's visit. 
           the natives assumed all foreigners were treasure hunters, or french jewelry peddlers. 
          
        mike
         
         
      • mike white
        Fray Marcos de Niza: In Pursuit of Franciscan Utopia in Americas http://home.tele2.fr/mnallino/Utopia/ the terraces of limatambo are cyclopean and well-fitted.
        Message 3 of 27 , Mar 7, 2007
           

          Fray Marcos de Niza:

          In Pursuit of Franciscan Utopia in Americas

           
              the terraces of limatambo are cyclopean and well-fitted. 
              town of mollepata had many drunks and thieves. 
             bears are sometimes found along the rio de la banca.  la banca has an adobe tambo and grand aquaduct shaded by arches, the hacienda bellavista owner had restored and improved.  many have goitre in this area.  thought to be caused by using snow water, but i think maybe lack of salt with iodine.  nearby was a cliff of various colored salt. 
             he found only small sections of inca roads in central and southern peru.  mule paths are marked by cairns of rock piles. 
             ' the civilization of the country was far higher before the conquest than now.' 
          mike
           
           
        • mike white
          the descent to ayacucho was their most miserable day. formerly called guamanga. in 1637 near guinoa, 2 leagues from ayacocha, was found an underground palace
          Message 4 of 27 , Mar 8, 2007
             
               the descent to ayacucho was their most miserable day.  formerly called guamanga. 
               in 1637 near guinoa, 2 leagues from ayacocha, was found an underground palace with statues.  one mounted on horse.  squier never verified this story.  tablet with inscription.  told by senor pinelo.  elevation 14,000-18,000 ft.  im surprisd so high, i had considered a visit there on the ascent to acclimatize.  has a train depot i think.  i wonder if the giant oysters are nearby? 
               journey from cuzco to pisco took 30 days. 
               garcilaso gives 14 inca emperors, while montesinos records 101.  the former an aymara, the latter a quichua.  could well be the quichua had learning and letters before the aymara.  the quichua might consider inca rule a continuation of the kings of quito, where the inca may have began. 
               conclusion chapter ...
               [ it seems certain that sacsahuaman was built as a fortress long ago.  since then the river valleys on either side have widened, making it worthless.  the area within the walls must have been larger, but erosion has reduced it significantly.  during inca times it was indefensible to flanking movements, which proves it was not built by the inca, but thousands of years before, if not tens of thousands. 
               the other major fortresses were ollantaytambo, began in pre-inca time, and protects from the north and east.  that of pisac defends the inca from the east.  other routes of attack were defended from ridge tops in the passes.  one might expect a fortress to defend the empire from the south and southeast, but it was not mentioned. 
               peru should be viewed as several epochs overlaying one another.  their monuments should be viewed separately, as they were in the different eras.  its made difficult by later cultures adopting the ruins of those before, and adding to them. 
               if i can tour peru, i will see the inca ruins, but more interesting to me are the monuments that existed before the inca, the megalithic and cyclopean works.  next in importance are the coastal cultures, and ruins uplifted in the western cordilleras, which show evidence of a major climate change since their occupation. 
               the ica stones are in a class by themselves for the most archaic antiquity.  there may be many other sites in the atacama that extend back to these remote times, that will remove all doubt as to the distant period when thinking man existed on earth.  note that ica stones were found in tombs of the inca.  ] 
             
            mike
             
             
          • mike white
            huanuco de viejo is full of inca ruins. solitary travellers on the puna are often murdered by their indian hosts. some sink in marshes and perish. experience
            Message 5 of 27 , Mar 12, 2007
               
                 huanuco de viejo is full of inca ruins. 
                 solitary travellers on the puna are often murdered by their indian hosts. 
                 some sink in marshes and perish. 
                 experience allows one to shape his course by the flight of birds. 
                 tschudi had an attack of soroche while alone with a snow storm upon him, and would have perished had the symptoms not passed quickly.  his mind was dulled getting him lost, regaining the trail from bones of mules seen in the snow, then having an attack of surumpe.  he luckily sheltered in a cave, falling asleep, with dawn he was startled to find he was using a corpse for a pillow.  he tried to flee but found his mule died during the night.  he was saved by two shepherds from the folly of travelling alone. 
                 the level highlands are the puna, while the valleys below them are termed sierra.  the nights in summer are colder than in winter. 
                  indians prefer blue color.  eggs are used as money.  they love gambling.  when frost takes their crop they eat grass like cattle. 
                 when first introduced in europe, potatoes and tea were not  liked. 
               
                 lara be sure to see aguacu falls.  higher than niagara at 269 ft.  might get a good deal on a leather coat.  do you speak portuguese? 
               
               
              mike  
                
                
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