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      From: <AwenDawn@...>
      To: <AwenDawn@...>
      Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:50 AM
      Subject: Fwd: Re: The Eyes of Baal atten David


      > --- In epigraphy@y..., AwenDawn@a... wrote:
      > ---Dear David please read Miami Circle post. I have spent the lats
      two
      > years studying the Eye of Bel aka Balor Baal or Baal. When I first
      saw
      > the Circle the discription of it being a possible hinge facinated me
      > The circle has a zodiac of unknown origin around it and in the
      middle
      > of the east west axis is what i see as an eyeof bel. In one of Fells
      > eyes I got out of the translation the stance of the eye of the
      > watchman. The eye on the axis lines up with with outerprimiter
      > indentation that some would consider the heel stone position. In
      Good
      > Faith, AwenDawn In epigraphy@y..., David Raleigh Arnold <dra@o...>
      > wrote:
      > > The objects are large. The one I saw in Arlington was carved on a
      > > light colored stone. One in ABC was on light colored stone. Ones
      > > on dark colored stone, if any, could have had the grooves filled
      > > with plaster or blackened and the rest of it whitewashed or
      > > covered with light colored ash. I don't know how many have been
      > > found, but they will all be large. I subscribe totally to Dr.
      > > Barry Fell's interpretation of the epigraphic symbolism and
      > > meaning, but I think that they were not used for a religious
      > > purpose.
      > >
      > > A bit of background is called for. Some time well before 400 BC a
      > > leading personage named Mil in the city of Tars Hesh, or Sun City,
      > > which was located on the southern coast of Iberia, decided that it
      > > would be better for him if the urnfield Celts moving into Iberia
      > > from the north went somewhere else instead of continuing their
      > > southern migration. He persuaded their chief men that they would
      > > be better off going west to Ireland rather than tangling with
      > > whatever mercenaries the Tartessians could hire to kill them all
      > > and sell their wives and children. Ireland is a long swim from
      > > what is now Galicia (Galicias are named for the Gauls=Celts) in
      > > Spain, but Mil had the whales (large Tartessian oceangoing ships)
      > > to take the Celts there.
      > >
      > > The inhabitants of Ireland, which wasn't Ireland then of course,
      > > were the Tuatha De Danaan. Some have thought that Danaan referred
      > > to a "lost" tribe of Israel, but there is no reason to think that
      > > they were Semites, and their use of the owl as symbolic of
      > > something or other suggests a Greek connection, as does the Celtic
      > > tradition that these people were more civilized than the Celts
      > > themselves. The Celts, while they spoke an Indo-European tongue,
      > > were worshippers of Baal and Easter, (or Eoster, or Astarte, or
      > > Astaroth) worshippers from way back east before they had been
      > > fighting the Greeks, so they shared much of the religion of the
      > > Tartessians. The Celts invaded, the Tuatha De Danaan (creampuffs
      > > no doubt) were slaughtered and enslaved, and Ireland (which name
      > > derives from Iberia) belonged to the Irish for a while.
      > >
      > > But the Celts just kept coming. So the whales started shipping
      > > Celts to the east coast of North America. (They had probably been
      > > trading with some of the locals for a long time, and also
      > > *certainly* found it much cheaper to have ships built in what is
      > > now New England than in Iberia, so they had already mapped and
      > > explored some parts of the east coast thoroughly.) Of course they
      > > could have shipped Celts to America first, but how efficient is
      > > that?
      > >
      > > Like all Phoenicians (a Greek name--their name for themselves was
      > > Cananiti) the Tartessians were inveterate businessmen, so part of
      > > the plan to plant colonies of Celts overseas was reaping a profit
      > > from the exploitation of the local resources. Planting colonies
      > > well inland was sensible because it offered the colonists access
      > > to the land in all directions, shortening the distance that metals
      > > and skins had to be transported before loading them on a whale,
      > > and it was also more convenient for shipbuilding. Defending a
      > > port on the Atlantic against all comers would be a formidable
      > > task, with an already proven historical record of failure, so I
      > > doubt if port sites on the ocean were even considered. So the
      > > desirable sites for settlement were up a river of a size to permit
      > > their whales easy passage.
      > >
      > > History abounds with examples of enemies frustrating shore to ship
      > > communications by lighting signal fires to confuse ships at sea or
      > > lure them to rocks to break and loot them. When sailing, or being
      > > towed by the whale's longboats, upriver at night false beacons
      > > could be a serious problem. Mil or his minions developed a clever
      > > solution.
      > >
      > > The Indian name for Minor hill in Arlington was Minideg, according
      > > to a US Army civil war map. Father Dineen's Irish dictionary
      > > defines a minie as "a sort of clearing". Deg, according to Dr.
      > > Fell, means "temple" in this context. So, temple clearing. This
      > > implies that the hill was cleared of all material which might
      > > obstruct one's view of the top. For religious reasons, their
      > > temples and other religious objects (or abominations, if you like)
      > > were placed on hilltops. Minor hill commands (is the highest hill
      > > near) the Potomac just as Ft. Putnam commands the Hudson.
      > >
      > > The Eye of Baal was placed near or at the top of the hill, facing
      > > the most useful direction. A fire was built near the foot of it
      > > or its supports to illuminate it. Then two more fires were lit,
      > > forming an equilateral triangle with sides of a standard
      > > horizontal distance. The eye ensured the authenticity of the
      > > beacon to viewers from a great distance. Also, by tying three
      > > sharpened sticks together so that the points formed an equilateral
      > > triangle, tying a long string to it and attaching the other end to
      > > a flat reel made of four sticks tied together, two at a calibrated
      > > distance from each other, one could make a simple instrument that
      > > could easily and quite accurately calculate the linear distance to
      > > the hill from anywhere that you could see the fires, in almost
      > > total darkness if need be. A pointer attached to the triangle
      > > could give excellent orientation as well, because you could see
      > > which fire was illuminating the Eye. (The magnetic compass of the
      > > time involved floating a lodestone on liquid. Using a light to
      > > see it at night might not be a good idea.)
      > >
      > > So, were there Eyes of Baal in Ireland? I don't know whether or
      > > not the topography or other conditions were suitable, but it may
      > > be that Eyes of Baal there were too big to break up. Also, they
      > > may have been tipped over by the Irish themselves and even slid
      > > downhill when they were deemed of no more use or
      > > counterproductive. It may be that natural forces tipped them over
      > > also. All kinds of things could have happened so that the
      > > Christian vandals would not ever see them or recognize them to
      > > vandalize them, and, especially if they are very large, there may
      > > be a few still there lying face down and pehaps even a few more
      > > here in decent condition, inland near heights near rivers.
      > >
      > > BTW, Predicting what is to be found and where, and then having it
      > > found there, is called *science*.
      > >
      > > A few marginal perspectives:
      > >
      > > The Biblical story of Jonah probably relates to the time preceding
      > > this colonization. He may have been involved with shipbuilding in
      > > America if he had marketable skills along those lines. When he
      > > went "down" to Tarshish, "down" meant west. To Egyptians "down"
      > > was north, to everyone else, west. There was an earlier
      > > Tarshish, in the Levant, but there are lots of "Sun Cities"
      > > including Tours in France.
      > > The one in Iberia was the big deal in its day, which ended with
      > > its annihilation in 400 BC. The Carthaginians took over the
      > > shipbuilding business in New England, otherwise, where did they
      > > get the wood to build their navy, to say nothing of merchant
      > > marine? North Africa was grassland being overgrazed by sheep and
      > > being turned into the desert it is today. No lumber for
      > > shipbuilding.
      > >
      > > In the 18th century it cost *one tenth* as much to build a ship in
      > > New England than it cost in England. Having suitable lumber close
      > > at hand was *the* most important factor.
      > >
      > > Stone structures possibly relating to shipbuilding abound in New
      > > England. I do not think that the Tartessians were the first, or
      > > even close to the first. See Daniel Trento.
      > >
      > > --
      > > ||/ Peace, understanding, health and happiness to all beings! ||
      > > |-K ars sine scientia nihil dra@o... ||
      > > ||\ David Raleigh Arnold \\ Falls Church, Virginia \\ USA ||
      > --- End forwarded message ---
      >
      >
      >
    • AwenDawn
      ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: The Eyes of Baal atten David ... two ... saw ...
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <AwenDawn@...>
        To: <AwenDawn@...>
        Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:50 AM
        Subject: Fwd: Re: The Eyes of Baal atten David


        > --- In epigraphy@y..., AwenDawn@a... wrote:
        > ---Dear David please read Miami Circle post. I have spent the lats
        two
        > years studying the Eye of Bel aka Balor Baal or Baal. When I first
        saw
        > the Circle the discription of it being a possible hinge facinated me
        > The circle has a zodiac of unknown origin around it and in the
        middle
        > of the east west axis is what i see as an eyeof bel. In one of Fells
        > eyes I got out of the translation the stance of the eye of the
        > watchman. The eye on the axis lines up with with outerprimiter
        > indentation that some would consider the heel stone position. In
        Good
        > Faith, AwenDawn In epigraphy@y..., David Raleigh Arnold <dra@o...>
        > wrote:
        > > The objects are large. The one I saw in Arlington was carved on a
        > > light colored stone. One in ABC was on light colored stone. Ones
        > > on dark colored stone, if any, could have had the grooves filled
        > > with plaster or blackened and the rest of it whitewashed or
        > > covered with light colored ash. I don't know how many have been
        > > found, but they will all be large. I subscribe totally to Dr.
        > > Barry Fell's interpretation of the epigraphic symbolism and
        > > meaning, but I think that they were not used for a religious
        > > purpose.
        > >
        > > A bit of background is called for. Some time well before 400 BC a
        > > leading personage named Mil in the city of Tars Hesh, or Sun City,
        > > which was located on the southern coast of Iberia, decided that it
        > > would be better for him if the urnfield Celts moving into Iberia
        > > from the north went somewhere else instead of continuing their
        > > southern migration. He persuaded their chief men that they would
        > > be better off going west to Ireland rather than tangling with
        > > whatever mercenaries the Tartessians could hire to kill them all
        > > and sell their wives and children. Ireland is a long swim from
        > > what is now Galicia (Galicias are named for the Gauls=Celts) in
        > > Spain, but Mil had the whales (large Tartessian oceangoing ships)
        > > to take the Celts there.
        > >
        > > The inhabitants of Ireland, which wasn't Ireland then of course,
        > > were the Tuatha De Danaan. Some have thought that Danaan referred
        > > to a "lost" tribe of Israel, but there is no reason to think that
        > > they were Semites, and their use of the owl as symbolic of
        > > something or other suggests a Greek connection, as does the Celtic
        > > tradition that these people were more civilized than the Celts
        > > themselves. The Celts, while they spoke an Indo-European tongue,
        > > were worshippers of Baal and Easter, (or Eoster, or Astarte, or
        > > Astaroth) worshippers from way back east before they had been
        > > fighting the Greeks, so they shared much of the religion of the
        > > Tartessians. The Celts invaded, the Tuatha De Danaan (creampuffs
        > > no doubt) were slaughtered and enslaved, and Ireland (which name
        > > derives from Iberia) belonged to the Irish for a while.
        > >
        > > But the Celts just kept coming. So the whales started shipping
        > > Celts to the east coast of North America. (They had probably been
        > > trading with some of the locals for a long time, and also
        > > *certainly* found it much cheaper to have ships built in what is
        > > now New England than in Iberia, so they had already mapped and
        > > explored some parts of the east coast thoroughly.) Of course they
        > > could have shipped Celts to America first, but how efficient is
        > > that?
        > >
        > > Like all Phoenicians (a Greek name--their name for themselves was
        > > Cananiti) the Tartessians were inveterate businessmen, so part of
        > > the plan to plant colonies of Celts overseas was reaping a profit
        > > from the exploitation of the local resources. Planting colonies
        > > well inland was sensible because it offered the colonists access
        > > to the land in all directions, shortening the distance that metals
        > > and skins had to be transported before loading them on a whale,
        > > and it was also more convenient for shipbuilding. Defending a
        > > port on the Atlantic against all comers would be a formidable
        > > task, with an already proven historical record of failure, so I
        > > doubt if port sites on the ocean were even considered. So the
        > > desirable sites for settlement were up a river of a size to permit
        > > their whales easy passage.
        > >
        > > History abounds with examples of enemies frustrating shore to ship
        > > communications by lighting signal fires to confuse ships at sea or
        > > lure them to rocks to break and loot them. When sailing, or being
        > > towed by the whale's longboats, upriver at night false beacons
        > > could be a serious problem. Mil or his minions developed a clever
        > > solution.
        > >
        > > The Indian name for Minor hill in Arlington was Minideg, according
        > > to a US Army civil war map. Father Dineen's Irish dictionary
        > > defines a minie as "a sort of clearing". Deg, according to Dr.
        > > Fell, means "temple" in this context. So, temple clearing. This
        > > implies that the hill was cleared of all material which might
        > > obstruct one's view of the top. For religious reasons, their
        > > temples and other religious objects (or abominations, if you like)
        > > were placed on hilltops. Minor hill commands (is the highest hill
        > > near) the Potomac just as Ft. Putnam commands the Hudson.
        > >
        > > The Eye of Baal was placed near or at the top of the hill, facing
        > > the most useful direction. A fire was built near the foot of it
        > > or its supports to illuminate it. Then two more fires were lit,
        > > forming an equilateral triangle with sides of a standard
        > > horizontal distance. The eye ensured the authenticity of the
        > > beacon to viewers from a great distance. Also, by tying three
        > > sharpened sticks together so that the points formed an equilateral
        > > triangle, tying a long string to it and attaching the other end to
        > > a flat reel made of four sticks tied together, two at a calibrated
        > > distance from each other, one could make a simple instrument that
        > > could easily and quite accurately calculate the linear distance to
        > > the hill from anywhere that you could see the fires, in almost
        > > total darkness if need be. A pointer attached to the triangle
        > > could give excellent orientation as well, because you could see
        > > which fire was illuminating the Eye. (The magnetic compass of the
        > > time involved floating a lodestone on liquid. Using a light to
        > > see it at night might not be a good idea.)
        > >
        > > So, were there Eyes of Baal in Ireland? I don't know whether or
        > > not the topography or other conditions were suitable, but it may
        > > be that Eyes of Baal there were too big to break up. Also, they
        > > may have been tipped over by the Irish themselves and even slid
        > > downhill when they were deemed of no more use or
        > > counterproductive. It may be that natural forces tipped them over
        > > also. All kinds of things could have happened so that the
        > > Christian vandals would not ever see them or recognize them to
        > > vandalize them, and, especially if they are very large, there may
        > > be a few still there lying face down and pehaps even a few more
        > > here in decent condition, inland near heights near rivers.
        > >
        > > BTW, Predicting what is to be found and where, and then having it
        > > found there, is called *science*.
        > >
        > > A few marginal perspectives:
        > >
        > > The Biblical story of Jonah probably relates to the time preceding
        > > this colonization. He may have been involved with shipbuilding in
        > > America if he had marketable skills along those lines. When he
        > > went "down" to Tarshish, "down" meant west. To Egyptians "down"
        > > was north, to everyone else, west. There was an earlier
        > > Tarshish, in the Levant, but t
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