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    Giant figures in Peru pre-date Nazca lines A group of about 50 drawings of giant figures recently discovered in the hills of Peru s southern coastal desert
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      Giant figures in Peru pre-date Nazca lines

      A group of about 50 drawings of giant figures recently discovered in
      the hills of Peru's southern coastal desert near the city of Palpa
      has been said to predate the famous Nazca lines nearby. Mr. Johny
      Isla, director of the Andean Institute of Archaeological Studies,
      said the 'geoglyph' figures appear to have been created by the
      Paracas communities between 500 and 400 BCE, whereas the Nazca
      culture developed after 50 BCE. Mr. Isla and his partner Dr. Markus
      Reindel from the Dutch Institute of Archaeology discovered the
      Paracas figures using aerial photography and land-based surveys. The
      figures of humans, birds, monkeys and cats vary in size from 10m to
      50m across, and are also grouped together in areas up to 60 m to 90 m
      across.
           The Paracas figures were created by removing dark stones in
      order to expose the lighter surface underneath. Some areas were
      cleared and others built up with rock, creating figures in high and
      low relief. With the Nazca lines though, the geoglyphs were only made
      by clearing low-relief areas. Until recently scientists believed that
      the figures in the Palpa and Nazca regions were only from the Nazca
      culture. Mr. Isla says cultural dating and style of the newly found
      Paracas figures sets them apart. "These new figures are definitely
      different and older than those of the Nazca culture. First, the
      Paracas figures were drawn on the slopes of the hills, while the
      Nazca images were drawn in level areas. Second, the Paracas figures
      are smaller and were made in a naturalistic style, while the Nazca
      figures are bigger and stylised. Third, the Paracas figures are
      mostly arranged in groups, while the Nazca figures are arranged
      individually. Finally, it is important to note that not one of the
      Paracas figures were repeated in the Nazca iconography," Mr. Isla
      said.
           Although the existence of some of the Paracas figures was
      previously known, most were undiscovered due to their remote
      location, and their visibility is highly affected by the position of
      the sun. One set of figures is known as the 'Temple of Fertility' as
      one image represents a man, another a woman and the center image
      seems to represent a divine figure with a head from which emanates a
      series of rays that end in human heads. Mr. Isla said: "The principal
      idea is that together the three figures represent the reproduction of
      the human species, the continuity of life. We can suggest that the
      Paracas geoglyphs were made also in the context of a religious
      culture related to water. The Palpa and Nazca valleys are in the
      middle of one of the most arid deserts of the world, where the
      surface water is a vital resource to develop life," said Mr. Isla.

      Source: The Epoch Times (24 May 2005)
      http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-5-24/29015.html
       
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    • mike white
      my comments between text below ... From: mythisis@aol.com To: Ancient-Mysteries@yahoogroups.com ; Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
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        Giant figures in Peru pre-date Nazca lines

        A group of about 50 drawings of giant figures recently discovered in
        the hills of Peru's southern coastal desert near the city of Palpa
        has been said to predate the famous Nazca lines nearby. Mr. Johny
        Isla, director of the Andean Institute of Archaeological Studies,
        said the 'geoglyph' figures appear to have been created by the
        Paracas communities between 500 and 400 BCE, whereas the Nazca
        culture developed after 50 BCE. Mr. Isla and his partner Dr. Markus
        Reindel from the Dutch Institute of Archaeology discovered the
        Paracas figures using aerial photography and land-based surveys. The
        figures of humans, birds, monkeys and cats vary in size from 10m to
        50m across, and are also grouped together in areas up to 60 m to 90 m
        across.
         
           i truly wish that i found more to agree with in convention history and dating, but sadly this is often not the case.  as usual, i have another opinion on paracas.  this is one of the places that i want to explore in future.  this article totes the mainstream thought that the paracas culture flourished ca 500 to 400 bce.  what compelling facts or evidence do they base this upon?   so far i have not found justification for the certainty of that date.  join me in looking deeper into this interesting culture. 
           most men have always buried the dead about 6 ft deep.  on the paracas peninsula they find graves 20 to 25 ft deep.   this may indicate a long period.  add to this the climate, and flora and fauna, at the time of the early culture was tropical jungle, like the amazon.  now its an arid, windswept wasteland.  such a drastic climate change is thought to take a great length of time.  when a cause for this extreme change is considered, it is more clear, that this culture thrived before the nearby range of the andes uplifted.  its this alone that prevents the coast from becoming humid jungle.  i would guess the paracas presence between ca 3,000 bce to 10,000 bce.  thats being conservative.  imho   

             The Paracas figures were created by removing dark stones in
        order to expose the lighter surface underneath. Some areas were
        cleared and others built up with rock, creating figures in high and
        low relief. With the Nazca lines though, the geoglyphs were only made
        by clearing low-relief areas. Until recently scientists believed that
        the figures in the Palpa and Nazca regions were only from the Nazca
        culture. Mr. Isla says cultural dating and style of the newly found
        Paracas figures sets them apart. "These new figures are definitely
        different and older than those of the Nazca culture. First, the
        Paracas figures were drawn on the slopes of the hills, while the
        Nazca images were drawn in level areas.
         
           one, choosing hillsides versus those who placed geoglyphs on the plains, really doesnt prove which is older.  one might assume that the oldest culture chose the best sites.  unless the older culture had flight, and preferred the level.  many are led astray assuming the more ancient the culture, the more primitive it was.   
         
        Second, the Paracas figures
        are smaller and were made in a naturalistic style, while the Nazca
        figures are bigger and stylised. Third, the Paracas figures are
        mostly arranged in groups, while the Nazca figures are arranged
        individually. Finally, it is important to note that not one of the
        Paracas figures were repeated in the Nazca iconography," Mr. Isla
        said.
         
           this is very strange, two ancient cultures, that are likely to have over-lapped in time, so close together, yet borrowing so little from each other. 

             Although the existence of some of the Paracas figures was
        previously known, most were undiscovered due to their remote
        location, and their visibility is highly affected by the position of
        the sun. One set of figures is known as the 'Temple of Fertility' as
        one image represents a man, another a woman and the center image
        seems to represent a divine figure with a head from which emanates a
        series of rays that end in human heads. Mr. Isla said: "The principal
        idea is that together the three figures represent the reproduction of
        the human species, the continuity of life. We can suggest that the
        Paracas geoglyphs were made also in the context of a religious
        culture related to water. The Palpa and Nazca valleys are in the
        middle of one of the most arid deserts of the world, where the
        surface water is a vital resource to develop life," said Mr. Isla.

        Source: The Epoch Times (24 May 2005)
        http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-5-24/29015.html
         
          i personally think that relics of the most ancient civilized man can be found along the south coast of peru, ica, paracas, and nazca.   
           there are geoglyphs under the salar lakes on the slopes of the andes.  if these are studied, we may determine that they were constructed before the salt was deposited over them, or on a more level surface then.  this may be the proof that cultured man lived there before this range of the andes arose.  everything else points to this conclusion.  the lands were submerged, basins filled with the sea, then it was uplifted, and evaporation deposits salt. 
           ica could well be the oldest habitation of hi-tech ancients. 
         
         
        Kind regards,
        Mike White
        http://all-ez.com/yahoo-groups.htm
         

         
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