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  • awendawn
    ... Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples originating in Bolivia. If the theory that
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 10, 2002
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      ---My main reason for pointing this out is in lieu of Bernardos
      Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a
      relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples originating in
      Bolivia. If the theory that the lines get more
      intricate as the civilization advances then
      the beginings of this practice point to
      Bolivia Awen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In
      Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
      wrote:
      >
      > hi friends
      >
      > crazy passionate purple bg! its quite a coincidence that these
      large geoglyphs and earthworks, that require they be seen from the air
      to appreciate them, are found in peru/chile, and ohio - both places
      cayce said were given the high sciences, including flight, by the
      great atlantean teacher named Alta. i will go on the record and
      predict similar large figures may yet be found in the luzon in the
      philipines.
      >
      > regards
      > mike
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Moby Doc
      > To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y...
      > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:21 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images
      Found Carved Into Peru Desert
      >
      >
      > Nice post ...Awen D ;
      > Is there a chance of any photos ...as I still adhere to
      the early Spanish
      > dictum ...that the Natives or neo Ethnic Indians did not
      build their complicated
      > Stone living quarters ...they found the them empty and moved
      in ;
      > There is evidence of add-ons to existing buildings some are
      below ground level
      > and the difference can be easily seen ....even Pyramids that
      have been over
      > clad to claim that this or that tribe built the original ;
      > It is a pity Awen ...that more commonsense cannot be used by
      some of our
      > modern academics when it comes to making enlightening
      statements ...on things
      > found ..The large (Sundial) could it have been a Compass ;
      >
      > This statement does not detract from what was found ...
      only to make the
      > knowledge more credible ...Just like those statues on Easter
      Island ...yet
      > look at the amazing statements made on that same subject ...by
      lettered people
      > with doubtful diplomas ;
      > Sawry :) if this post offends anyone ; But history is full of
      distortions of the facts:
      >
      > Pat / Moby
      >
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      --------
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: AwenDawn
      > To: Cultural_Diffusion
      > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:32 PM
      > Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images Found
      Carved Into Peru Desert
      >
      >
      > Ancient, Giant Images
      > Found Carved Into Peru
      > Desert
      >
      > Gonzalo Castillero
      > Efe
      > October 8, 2002
      >
      > Human and animal likenesses, a knife, and a
      > sundial are among the "geoglyphs," or giant
      > figures etched into the earth and discernible
      from
      > the sky, most recently discovered in the
      Peruvian
      > desert.
      >
      > Peruvian archaeologist Johny Islas and German
      > colleague Markus Reindel have identified new
      > etchings made by the ancient Nasca people in the
      > desert valleys of Palpa, about 460 kilometers
      (290
      > miles) south of Lima.
      >
      > After five years of work, the scientists were
      able to
      > identify more than 1,000 new geoglyphs.
      >
      >
      >
      > An
      aerial view of this
      >
      previously-identified Nazca
      > geoglyph
      depicts tail feathers of
      > a bird or a
      representation of a
      >
      god.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The Nasca, whose culture flourished from around
      200
      > B.C. to the middle of the seventh century A.D.,
      made
      > many of their etchings near the city of Nazca.
      >
      > But the glyphs identified by the two
      archaeologists in
      > Palpa, 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the
      city,
      > predate the geoglyphs previously discovered and
      > appear to mark the beginning of that
      civilization.
      >
      > Thanks to aerial photographs, the researchers
      were
      > able to identify 650 archaeological sites as
      well as
      > thousands of geoglyphs, petroglyphs, and
      cemeteries
      > left by the Nasca people.
      >
      > Islas and Reindel also found planks with
      etchings
      > similar to the enormous drawings previously
      > discovered in the desert sands.
      >
      > "The technique is simple," Islas said. "The
      straight
      > lines are traced with stakes attached with a
      string.
      > The difficult part is translating the figures to
      the large
      > scale while maintaining the correct
      proportions." The
      > Nasca people created more than 1,000 figures of
      > varying sizes, from a sundial 150 meters (500
      feet)
      > long to whales, foxes, and pelicans of 40 meters
      (130
      > feet) in length. They also etched human figures,
      > apparently representing a family, each measuring
      30
      > meters (100 feet) long.
      >
      > The Nasca created these immense figures in an
      effort
      > to differentiate themselves from their
      predecessors,
      > the Paracas, whose art was on a much smaller
      scale.
      >
      > The geoglyphs in the Palpa valley provide
      evidence
      > that a new culture emerged in the region near
      the
      > start of the Christian era, bringing with it new
      > methods of building settlements and a new
      ideology.
      >
      > The etchings in the desert make up a sacred
      > landscape honoring water and fertility.
      >
      > The cultural changes evident from the geoglyphs
      have
      > also been noted by scientists studying the more
      than
      > 600 archaeological sites in the region.
      >
      > "We searched some tombs and in each we found
      > funeral shrouds, vessels, shells, and necklaces
      made of
      > semi-precious stones, but more importantly we
      found
      > gold objects" similar to the giant whale figures
      etched
      > in the desert, Islas said.
      >
      > "The valleys of the south are not like those in
      the
      > north. The south was a very dry region, almost
      an
      > oasis. They only had water in the summer, and
      the
      > accumulation of wealth was difficult," he
      explained.
      >
      > "But the Nasca managed to organize a society and
      > take advantage of resources from the ocean and
      the
      > mountains. They were truly an advanced society,"
      he
      > added.
      >
      > The tombs, located in two sites that were large
      > administrative centers during the first four
      centuries
      > of the Christian era, have revealed important
      > information about the environment, lifestyle,
      and
      > religion of the Nasca.
      >
      > Each tomb is composed of several rectangular
      > chambers with a labyrinthine structure of walls
      and
      > passageways dedicated to the cult of the dead,
      where
      > people left offerings and prepared food to
      sustain the
      > deceased in the afterlife.
      >
      > The buildings were adapted to the topography of
      the
      > region, creating a large complex of terraces.
      >
      >
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    • awendawn
      ... but that is not surprising considering the source!!!. Awen In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white ... large geoglyphs and earthworks,
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 10, 2002
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        ---As of last night National geographic had not posted the new images
        but that is not surprising considering the source!!!. Awen In
        Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
        wrote:
        >
        > hi friends
        >
        > crazy passionate purple bg! its quite a coincidence that these
        large geoglyphs and earthworks, that require they be seen from the air
        to appreciate them, are found in peru/chile, and ohio - both places
        cayce said were given the high sciences, including flight, by the
        great atlantean teacher named Alta. i will go on the record and
        predict similar large figures may yet be found in the luzon in the
        philipines.
        >
        > regards
        > mike
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Moby Doc
        > To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y...
        > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:21 PM
        > Subject: Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images
        Found Carved Into Peru Desert
        >
        >
        > Nice post ...Awen D ;
        > Is there a chance of any photos ...as I still adhere to
        the early Spanish
        > dictum ...that the Natives or neo Ethnic Indians did not
        build their complicated
        > Stone living quarters ...they found the them empty and moved
        in ;
        > There is evidence of add-ons to existing buildings some are
        below ground level
        > and the difference can be easily seen ....even Pyramids that
        have been over
        > clad to claim that this or that tribe built the original ;
        > It is a pity Awen ...that more commonsense cannot be used by
        some of our
        > modern academics when it comes to making enlightening
        statements ...on things
        > found ..The large (Sundial) could it have been a Compass ;
        >
        > This statement does not detract from what was found ...
        only to make the
        > knowledge more credible ...Just like those statues on Easter
        Island ...yet
        > look at the amazing statements made on that same subject ...by
        lettered people
        > with doubtful diplomas ;
        > Sawry :) if this post offends anyone ; But history is full of
        distortions of the facts:
        >
        > Pat / Moby
        >
        ----------------------------------------------------------------------
        --------
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: AwenDawn
        > To: Cultural_Diffusion
        > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:32 PM
        > Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images Found
        Carved Into Peru Desert
        >
        >
        > Ancient, Giant Images
        > Found Carved Into Peru
        > Desert
        >
        > Gonzalo Castillero
        > Efe
        > October 8, 2002
        >
        > Human and animal likenesses, a knife, and a
        > sundial are among the "geoglyphs," or giant
        > figures etched into the earth and discernible
        from
        > the sky, most recently discovered in the
        Peruvian
        > desert.
        >
        > Peruvian archaeologist Johny Islas and German
        > colleague Markus Reindel have identified new
        > etchings made by the ancient Nasca people in the
        > desert valleys of Palpa, about 460 kilometers
        (290
        > miles) south of Lima.
        >
        > After five years of work, the scientists were
        able to
        > identify more than 1,000 new geoglyphs.
        >
        >
        >
        > An
        aerial view of this
        >
        previously-identified Nazca
        > geoglyph
        depicts tail feathers of
        > a bird or a
        representation of a
        >
        god.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > The Nasca, whose culture flourished from around
        200
        > B.C. to the middle of the seventh century A.D.,
        made
        > many of their etchings near the city of Nazca.
        >
        > But the glyphs identified by the two
        archaeologists in
        > Palpa, 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the
        city,
        > predate the geoglyphs previously discovered and
        > appear to mark the beginning of that
        civilization.
        >
        > Thanks to aerial photographs, the researchers
        were
        > able to identify 650 archaeological sites as
        well as
        > thousands of geoglyphs, petroglyphs, and
        cemeteries
        > left by the Nasca people.
        >
        > Islas and Reindel also found planks with
        etchings
        > similar to the enormous drawings previously
        > discovered in the desert sands.
        >
        > "The technique is simple," Islas said. "The
        straight
        > lines are traced with stakes attached with a
        string.
        > The difficult part is translating the figures to
        the large
        > scale while maintaining the correct
        proportions." The
        > Nasca people created more than 1,000 figures of
        > varying sizes, from a sundial 150 meters (500
        feet)
        > long to whales, foxes, and pelicans of 40 meters
        (130
        > feet) in length. They also etched human figures,
        > apparently representing a family, each measuring
        30
        > meters (100 feet) long.
        >
        > The Nasca created these immense figures in an
        effort
        > to differentiate themselves from their
        predecessors,
        > the Paracas, whose art was on a much smaller
        scale.
        >
        > The geoglyphs in the Palpa valley provide
        evidence
        > that a new culture emerged in the region near
        the
        > start of the Christian era, bringing with it new
        > methods of building settlements and a new
        ideology.
        >
        > The etchings in the desert make up a sacred
        > landscape honoring water and fertility.
        >
        > The cultural changes evident from the geoglyphs
        have
        > also been noted by scientists studying the more
        than
        > 600 archaeological sites in the region.
        >
        > "We searched some tombs and in each we found
        > funeral shrouds, vessels, shells, and necklaces
        made of
        > semi-precious stones, but more importantly we
        found
        > gold objects" similar to the giant whale figures
        etched
        > in the desert, Islas said.
        >
        > "The valleys of the south are not like those in
        the
        > north. The south was a very dry region, almost
        an
        > oasis. They only had water in the summer, and
        the
        > accumulation of wealth was difficult," he
        explained.
        >
        > "But the Nasca managed to organize a society and
        > take advantage of resources from the ocean and
        the
        > mountains. They were truly an advanced society,"
        he
        > added.
        >
        > The tombs, located in two sites that were large
        > administrative centers during the first four
        centuries
        > of the Christian era, have revealed important
        > information about the environment, lifestyle,
        and
        > religion of the Nasca.
        >
        > Each tomb is composed of several rectangular
        > chambers with a labyrinthine structure of walls
        and
        > passageways dedicated to the cult of the dead,
        where
        > people left offerings and prepared food to
        sustain the
        > deceased in the afterlife.
        >
        > The buildings were adapted to the topography of
        the
        > region, creating a large complex of terraces.
        >
        >
        > Hosted by http://all-ez.com/epigraphy.htm
        > Group Site : http://www.epigraphyusa.com
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      • mike white
        hi awen, all you are quite right, i should have included bolivia in the equation. i think the entire area was enclosed by that much earlier nation who viewed
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 10, 2002
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          hi awen, all
           
              you are quite right, i should have included bolivia in the equation.   i think the entire area was enclosed by that much earlier nation who viewed these figures from aircraft.  i would venture to date these people from 12,000bce to 5,000bce.  i wouldnt say any earlier than that until we find some evidence that the outlines were laid before the antiplano uplift occurred.  thats why its important for them to determine if the lines in the salt flats were made before the salt settled or after. 
             by todays standards this seems long ago, but is nothing compared to the figures near blythe california.   there are few clues to who laid those gigantic figures.  cayce said, if i recall correctly, they were designed by people over 120,000 years ago.  my own impression is that the main figure represents heracles, with only a faint outline of his club and draped skin still visible.   the early date for his depiction, and its location on our west coast is very puzzling.   they may be connected with the nation now lying on the seabed off our west coast, that so little is known of today. 
              i will try to find images of the shoto clay figurines. 
           
           
          regards
          mike
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: awendawn
          Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:42 PM
          Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images Found Carved Into Peru Desert

          ---My main reason for pointing this out is in lieu of Bernardos
          Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a
          relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples originating in
          Bolivia. If the theory that the lines get more
          intricate as the civilization advances then
          the beginings of this practice point to
          Bolivia         Awen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In
          Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
          wrote:
        • awendawn
          ... turning into ; ... matches my own ... can only ... time wise ... of that also :) ... of [Dr I ... without fear of abuse ... Found Carved Into Peru Desert
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 10, 2002
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            ---I love Veleskosky :-) Awen In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y...,
            "Moby Doc" <patcobb@x> wrote:
            > Hi Mike and Awen and all the rest of the searchers ;
            > What a Smorgasbord of 'finds' and 'knowledge' this group is
            turning into ;
            > (love it - love it - love it ) ...Your theory on the 'Up-lift'
            matches my own
            > findings ....Where the 'Original's stone workers came from...we
            can only
            > guess....Have got a pre-Egyptian Star-map and some Star from the
            > Hubble Scope which I think ties up with the 'Antiplano-uplift'
            time wise
            > On the subject of who or what we are ...I have a personal viewed
            of that also :)
            > The printed findings of [ Hans Schindler Bellamy ] and the works
            of [Dr I
            > Veleskosky] point us in this direction ...to use our minds
            without fear of abuse
            > ...verbal ...or physical ;
            >
            > All those little Peaces :) Pat/Moby
            > -----------------------------------------------------------
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: mike white
            > Subject: Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images
            Found Carved Into Peru Desert
            >
            >
            >
            > hi awen, all
            >
            > you are quite right, i should have included bolivia in the
            equation. i think the entire area was enclosed by that much earlier
            nation who viewed these figures from aircraft. i would venture to
            date these people from 12,000bce to 5,000bce. i wouldnt say any
            earlier than that until we find some evidence that the outlines were
            laid before the antiplano uplift occurred. thats why its important
            for them to determine if the lines in the salt flats were made before
            the salt settled or after.
            > by todays standards this seems long ago, but is nothing
            compared to the figures near blythe california. there are few clues
            to who laid those gigantic figures. cayce said, if i recall
            correctly, they were designed by people over 120,000 years ago. my
            own impression is that the main figure represents heracles, with only
            a faint outline of his club and draped skin still visible. the early
            date for his depiction, and its location on our west coast is very
            puzzling. they may be connected with the nation now lying on the
            seabed off our west coast, that so little is known of today.
            > i will try to find images of the shoto clay figurines.
            >
            >
            > regards
            > mike
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: awendawn
            > To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y...
            > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:42 PM
            > Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images
            Found Carved Into Peru Desert
            >
            >
            > ---My main reason for pointing this out is in lieu of Bernardos
            > Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a
            > relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples
            originating in
            > Bolivia. If the theory that the lines get more
            > intricate as the civilization advances then
            > the beginings of this practice point to
            > Bolivia Awen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In
            > Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
            > wrote:
            >
            >
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          • Moby Doc
            Hi Awen D and Mike ; You mind set is correct again ...we all have to rethink the so-called Historical dates and Carbon... at times can be a little ironic ..
            Message 5 of 9 , Oct 11, 2002
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                 Hi Awen D  and Mike ;
                   You mind set is correct again ...we all have to rethink the so-called
                 Historical dates and Carbon... at times can be a little ironic  ..
                 could it be that like DNA... it needs far more study than they give it ..
                  then I could be wrong :)
                  But the chace is only half the fun ...don't you think :)
               
                             Pat/Moby
              -----------------------------------------
               
                    ----- Original Message -----
              From: awendawn
              Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images Found Carved Into Peru Desert

              ---My main reason for pointing this out is in lieu of Bernardos
              Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a
              relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples originating in
              Bolivia. If the theory that the lines get more
              intricate as the civilization advances then
              the beginings of this practice point to
              Bolivia         Awen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In
              Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
              wrote:
              >
              > hi friends
              >
              >    crazy passionate purple bg!   its quite a coincidence that these
              large geoglyphs and earthworks, that require they be seen from the air
              to appreciate them, are found in peru/chile, and ohio - both places
              cayce said were given the high sciences, including flight, by the
              great atlantean teacher named Alta.   i will go on the record and
              predict similar large figures may yet be found in the luzon in the
              philipines.  
              >
              > regards
              > mike
              >
              >
              >   ----- Original Message -----
              >   From: Moby Doc
              >   To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y...
              >   Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:21 PM
              >   Subject: Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images
              Found Carved Into Peru Desert
              >
              >
              >           Nice post ...Awen D ;
              >             Is there a chance of any photos ...as I still adhere to
              the early Spanish
              >        dictum ...that the Natives or neo Ethnic Indians did not
              build their complicated
              >        Stone living quarters ...they found the them empty and moved
              in ;
              >        There is evidence of add-ons to existing buildings some are
              below ground level
              >         and the difference can be easily seen ....even Pyramids that
              have been over
              >       clad to claim that this or that tribe built the original ;
              >        It is a pity Awen ...that more commonsense cannot be used by
              some of our
              >        modern academics when it comes to making enlightening
              statements ...on things
              >        found ..The large (Sundial) could it have been a Compass ;
              >
              >        This statement does not detract from   what was found ...
              only to make the
              >        knowledge more credible ...Just like those statues on Easter
              Island ...yet
              >       look at the amazing statements made on that same subject ...by
              lettered people
              >       with doubtful diplomas ;
              >      Sawry :) if this post offends anyone ; But history is full of
              distortions of the facts:
              >
              >                    Pat / Moby
              >  
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------
              --------
              >   ----- Original Message -----
              >     From: AwenDawn
              >     To: Cultural_Diffusion
              >     Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:32 PM
              >     Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Ancient, Giant Images Found
              Carved Into Peru Desert
              >
              >
              >     Ancient, Giant Images
              >                     Found Carved Into Peru
              >                     Desert
              >
              >                     Gonzalo Castillero
              >                     Efe
              >                     October 8, 2002
              >
              >                     Human and animal likenesses, a knife, and a
              >                     sundial are among the "geoglyphs," or giant
              >                     figures etched into the earth and discernible
              from
              >                     the sky, most recently discovered in the
              Peruvian
              >                     desert.
              >
              >                     Peruvian archaeologist Johny Islas and German
              >                     colleague Markus Reindel have identified new
              >                     etchings made by the ancient Nasca people in the
              >                     desert valleys of Palpa, about 460 kilometers
              (290
              >                     miles) south of Lima.
              >
              >                     After five years of work, the scientists were
              able to
              >                     identify more than 1,000 new geoglyphs.
              >
              >
              >
              >                                                               An
              aerial view of this
              >                                                           
              previously-identified Nazca
              >                                                         geoglyph
              depicts tail feathers of
              >                                                          a bird or a
              representation of a
              >                                                                    
                god.
              >
              >                                                               
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >                     The Nasca, whose culture flourished from around
              200
              >                     B.C. to the middle of the seventh century A.D.,
              made
              >                     many of their etchings near the city of Nazca.
              >
              >                     But the glyphs identified by the two
              archaeologists in
              >                     Palpa, 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the
              city,
              >                     predate the geoglyphs previously discovered and
              >                     appear to mark the beginning of that
              civilization.
              >
              >                     Thanks to aerial photographs, the researchers
              were
              >                     able to identify 650 archaeological sites as
              well as
              >                     thousands of geoglyphs, petroglyphs, and
              cemeteries
              >                     left by the Nasca people.
              >
              >                     Islas and Reindel also found planks with
              etchings
              >                     similar to the enormous drawings previously
              >                     discovered in the desert sands.
              >
              >                     "The technique is simple," Islas said. "The
              straight
              >                     lines are traced with stakes attached with a
              string.
              >                     The difficult part is translating the figures to
              the large
              >                     scale while maintaining the correct
              proportions." The
              >                     Nasca people created more than 1,000 figures of
              >                     varying sizes, from a sundial 150 meters (500
              feet)
              >                     long to whales, foxes, and pelicans of 40 meters
              (130
              >                     feet) in length. They also etched human figures,
              >                     apparently representing a family, each measuring
              30
              >                     meters (100 feet) long.
              >
              >                     The Nasca created these immense figures in an
              effort
              >                     to differentiate themselves from their
              predecessors,
              >                     the Paracas, whose art was on a much smaller
              scale.
              >
              >                     The geoglyphs in the Palpa valley provide
              evidence
              >                     that a new culture emerged in the region near
              the
              >                     start of the Christian era, bringing with it new
              >                     methods of building settlements and a new
              ideology.
              >
              >                     The etchings in the desert make up a sacred
              >                     landscape honoring water and fertility.
              >
              >                     The cultural changes evident from the geoglyphs
              have
              >                     also been noted by scientists studying the more
              than
              >                     600 archaeological sites in the region.
              >
              >                     "We searched some tombs and in each we found
              >                     funeral shrouds, vessels, shells, and necklaces
              made of
              >                     semi-precious stones, but more importantly we
              found
              >                     gold objects" similar to the giant whale figures
              etched
              >                     in the desert, Islas said.
              >
              >                     "The valleys of the south are not like those in
              the
              >                     north. The south was a very dry region, almost
              an
              >                     oasis. They only had water in the summer, and
              the
              >                     accumulation of wealth was difficult," he
              explained.
              >
              >                     "But the Nasca managed to organize a society and
              >                     take advantage of resources from the ocean and
              the
              >                     mountains. They were truly an advanced society,"
              he
              >                     added.
              >
              >                     The tombs, located in two sites that were large
              >                     administrative centers during the first four
              centuries
              >                     of the Christian era, have revealed important
              >                     information about the environment, lifestyle,
              and
              >                     religion of the Nasca.
              >
              >                     Each tomb is composed of several rectangular
              >                     chambers with a labyrinthine structure of walls
              and
              >                     passageways dedicated to the cult of the dead,
              where
              >                     people left offerings and prepared food to
              sustain the
              >                     deceased in the afterlife.
              >
              >                     The buildings were adapted to the topography of
              the
              >                     region, creating a large complex of terraces.
              >
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              Hi Mike and Awen and all the rest of the searchers ; What a Smorgasbord of finds and knowledge this group is turning into ; (love it - love it - love it )
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                  Hi Mike and Awen and all the rest of the searchers ;
                   What a Smorgasbord of 'finds' and 'knowledge' this group is turning into ;
                    (love it - love it - love it ) ...Your theory on the 'Up-lift' matches my own
                    findings ....Where the 'Original's stone workers came from...we can only
                   guess....Have got a pre-Egyptian Star-map and some Star from the
                  Hubble Scope  which I think ties up with the 'Antiplano-uplift' time wise
                   On the subject of who or what we are ...I have a personal viewed of that also :)
                   The printed findings of [ Hans Schindler Bellamy ] and the works of [Dr  I
                   Veleskosky] point us in this direction ...to use our minds without fear of  abuse
                   ...verbal ...or physical ;
                 
                        All those little Peaces :)     Pat/Moby
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                Subject: Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images Found Carved Into Peru Desert

                 
                hi awen, all
                 
                    you are quite right, i should have included bolivia in the equation.   i think the entire area was enclosed by that much earlier nation who viewed these figures from aircraft.  i would venture to date these people from 12,000bce to 5,000bce.  i wouldnt say any earlier than that until we find some evidence that the outlines were laid before the antiplano uplift occurred.  thats why its important for them to determine if the lines in the salt flats were made before the salt settled or after. 
                   by todays standards this seems long ago, but is nothing compared to the figures near blythe california.   there are few clues to who laid those gigantic figures.  cayce said, if i recall correctly, they were designed by people over 120,000 years ago.  my own impression is that the main figure represents heracles, with only a faint outline of his club and draped skin still visible.   the early date for his depiction, and its location on our west coast is very puzzling.   they may be connected with the nation now lying on the seabed off our west coast, that so little is known of today. 
                    i will try to find images of the shoto clay figurines. 
                 
                 
                regards
                mike
                 
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: awendawn
                Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:42 PM
                Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Ancient, Giant Images Found Carved Into Peru Desert

                ---My main reason for pointing this out is in lieu of Bernardos
                Lines I am begining to suspect the peoples of nasca have a
                relationship with an earlier group of ancient peoples originating in
                Bolivia. If the theory that the lines get more
                intricate as the civilization advances then
                the beginings of this practice point to
                Bolivia         Awen<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<In
                Precolumbian_Inscriptions@y..., mike white <infoplz@c...>
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