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  • Heidi
    Fascinating!  Thank you for sharing! ... From: mike white Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] andes To:
    Message 1 of 39 , Oct 27, 2012
      Fascinating!  Thank you for sharing!

      --- On Fri, 10/26/12, mike white <michael.white511@...> wrote:

      From: mike white <michael.white511@...>
      Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] andes
      To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 2:17 PM


         there is a discussion of fuente magna going on in the ancient-mysteries group that i also host.  a member claiming to be a 'real archaeologist' has put forth that the bowl is a hoax, a 'candy dish' worked with a screwdriver. 
         other:  i interviewed the son of dr cabrera at ica.  he was kind enough to give me a few hours of his time, and gave me access to both storerooms housing the ica stones. 
         he says that real ica stones are etched with continous lines, like the figures at nazca.  such a unique method may point to a common origin. 
         i never determined whether the ica stones have been accepted as real relics by the peruvian authorities, and are illegal to remove from the country.  im told that at least one museum has ica stones on display, but they were not seen at the major museums that i visited in lima or ica. 
         as said before, the ica stones are housed in a colonial building, over 400 years old, which is very subject to earthquake destruction.  the stones shatter if dropped.  many were lost during the quake of 2007. 
         the curator sr cabrera will not allow even a single stone to leave the country for study.  i hate to say it, but it may be better if he placed the ica stones back in the hills where they were found, since they survived long ages at that location. 
    • mike white
      first, tiwanaku, the mystics were silent on whether the city was first built at sealevel. the entire altiplano has the look of having been under the sea, then
      Message 39 of 39 , Oct 30, 2012
           first, tiwanaku, the mystics were silent on whether the city was first built at sealevel.  the entire altiplano has the look of having been under the sea, then uplifted.  pillow lava on the side of a volcano, marine sediments, and a line of salt lakes to the south by southwest.  imho, during a severe quake, the land could have fallen below the sea, only to be uplifted two miles into the clouds. 
            it was reported that some of the carved stones had a veneer of limestone.  twenty-two different depictions of toxodons were identified.  this creature, who loved tropical swamps, near sealevel, was found all over tiwanaku, but went extinct over 10,000 years ago.  some of the human bones found were fossilized.  all indicative of great age. 
           some say tiwanaku was once a seaport.  currently, we only can see the ruins of a high temple area, and within a mile or so, the colossal works in a jumble at puma punku. 
           the altiplano, called the puno, is a vast basin, the drain apparently had been at la paz, a deep gulley, having been eroded by floods.  after the submersion, the basin was likely quite full of seawater, but the uplift, not being level, gave enough tilt to drain most of the water away.  the old shelf of the lake is not parallel to the current surface of titicaca.  when the land was seabed, the people terraced the tops of mountains.  the experts admit that the oldest terraces were near the top.  this is opposite to common sense ordinarily. 
           its my opinion, that the altiplano, had been uplifted by a peak wave of magma, that soon subsided, leaving a void under the land.  the rumbles heard during quakes suggests that the vast caverns are full of air, and maybe water.  some volcanoes erupt water with fish in it.  incredibly, the altiplano, could fall rapidly, by thousands of feet, if the air and water escape during an eruption or quake. 
           tiwanaku, could have been an earlier troy, controlling the gate between the east and the west.  canals there can still be identified.  old world contacts with the andes appear to be prior to 3000 bce.  it would seem that earth-changes about that time cut-off the sea trade with the amazon and old world.   the ancient principle sea trade route could have been thru the center of south america, terminating at tiwanaku.   the river platte may have been part of the route.  a river runs mainly north-south at the eastern foot of the andes, connecting with the platte and other rivers running east. 
           darwin confirmed the eastern andes were uplifted last.  that uplift may have raised the altiplano with it, but not near as long ago as most accept.  many cultures to the west exhibit too many tropical jungle relics, for it to have come from distant trade.  their cultivated lands become desert.  these ruins can be found from ica south thru the atacama desert, along dried up riverbeds.  it seems clear that the great geological event occurred during the time of cultured man. 
           like a glass of saltwater, over time the salt settles to the bottom of a basin.  i expect that titicaca gets more saline with greater depth.  the inca could only draw off the water near the surface, to be more fresh for crops, etc.  directing the flow thru sand or limestone would further remove salt. 
           i wonder if the inca had found a way to release water from the uplifted lakes to the coastal dry lands?  we wait for more field surveys to trace the source of aquaducts and channels.  from the remains seen, its certain that those folks were expert on hydraulics, and water management.  most of the old water works have failed from lack of maintenance. 
            the bottom of titicaca likely covers old cities.  these have been seen already.  since the lake is shrinking, the old cities must have been built before the submersion in the sea.  the former surface of the altiplano is now covered by mud and sediments to a great depth in parts.  most of the older structures must be buried under the mud and sediments.  we are merely seeing the tip of the iceberg.  
           i continue to hope that one day bolivia will see the advantages of buildng a gate at tiquina, so that the water level could be lowered in the southern section of titicaca.  they would continue to have a long portion of shoreline.  it may yield lots of land, plus maybe uncover some secrets of its long history.  if done gradually, the impact upon the biosphere would be minimal.  a process may be found to remove the salts, to be sold, and use the water for crops.  [its done in israel.] 
           it should be added, that its easier for the altiplano to drop, than it was to be uplifted.  one day, it could suddenly drop during a quake!  its resting upon fluids, that could move quickly. 
           of course, the text books say otherwise.  let the reader decide. 
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