Re: Fw: [Ancient-Mysteries] andes
- Hi, Sparky,
Don't feel bad; I wasn't able to see a fraction of what I wanted to see in Egypt and the mountains of Germany due to health issues. To tell the truth, I might not have been able to see everything if I'd been 25 and in great shape. Those altitudes put a strain on even the young and the spry like my niece and her husband who hiked around the mountains around Machu Picchu and the Himalayas last year. You're doing great with what you're able. That site I think my friend was searching for I think is Iquique and other geoglyphs of the Atacama Desert in Northern Chile. The only terraced mountains I could locate in a quick search were those on the eastern slopes of the Andes, particularly Bolivia, where terraced farming is still in practice (I think they incorporate many of the ancient terraces in their contemporary farming.) I don't remember if there are sites where both terraced mountains and geoglyphs occur but it's been a long time since I reviewed this subject and my friend may have gotten separate sites mixed up. I can't recall any of the forested plateaus and buttes of Venezuela being artificially flattened offhand. The long flattened mountain that I saw recently was in a program devoted to Nazca but that does not necessarily mean that it was all that near to Nazca. Continue to enjoy your journeys and Don't Fall Off the Mountain!
--- In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com, "mike white" <michael.white511@...> wrote:
> hi david, all
> i waited too long, im having to miss sites that are too strenuous. no notes yet, but took pics. had some health issues get in the way.
> flatten mt tops reminds me of venezuela. im not aware of the places you seek.
> it was great to examine the huge blocks of sacsayhuaman close-up.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dcampbell75479
> To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:21 AM
> Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: Fw: [Ancient-Mysteries] andes
> Hi, Mike!
> Great to read notes from you on your fabulous itinerary! Congratulations on finally getting to see all these ancient sites first hand. Keep copious notes.
> By the way, an acquaintence was recently asking me about flattened mountain tops and terraces in South America. He had seen something on them but could not find the site on the web again. I'm fairly certain he was not talking about Machu Picchu, since it is so widely known, and I do recall something recent about this but I cannot remember where I saw it either. Do you know anything off hand about these and where they are located? I know Gene Savoy wrote about similar phenomena in Antisuyo but this was something that came to light fairly recently. I'm thinking it probably was in Peru or Bolivia. Any suggestions from you or other members would be appreciated. Enjoy your tour!
> Yours truly,
> David Campbell
> --- In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com, "mike white" <michael.white511@> wrote:
> > hi folks
> > im currently at machu picchu, after seeing cuzco, ica, and lima. i was lucky enough to have a long chat with the son of dr cabrera. a real gentleman, and trying to do the right thing for the ica stones collection. unfortunately, his warehouses and museum, are housed in a colonial building over 400 years old, and very subject to fall during an earthquake. many ica stones were destroyed during the quake of 2007. they are hard, but brittle, and smash easily. perhaps the greatest find, made by this generation, will be lost.
> > the andes are not for the weak or disabled. the thin air makes everything harder. much huffing up hills and stairs. time i climbed to the room, i was too tired to go back out. luckily, i scheduled my entrance to the ruins above for tomorrow. i wont be able to walk to every corner of the ruins. i hope to see the oldest structures, based on patina, and samples of the rest. the site is just before the jungle starts. im not ready to say it was built for defence, until ive looked over the approaches. it was in a good spot for trade with the amazon. some nasty bugs here. the assassin bug could be among them, so i limit opening my screen-less windows during the night with the light on.
> > too much info coming in at once on this trip. after my return i can try to give the highlights, maybe some pics. its a way different world here. many hold to the old traditions. they still have a witches market. you see lots of women in hooped skirts, and bowler hats.
> > its not as cold at aqua calientes as an cuzco, being lower. be sure that you rent a heated room at the higher elevations. it gets down to near freezing year round when the sun goes down. i see lots of sunburnt gringo faces in the crowd. i was happy to be wearing a wide brim hat. take a jacket if the tour may run late.
> > north of ica sand can be seen carried high up the coastal slopes, as if by a former tsunami of large proportions. there is a surprising amount of trees and greenery between lima and ica. even untended bushes, etc, were doing fine. water probably runs down in a sheet, upon the hardpan under the sand. its a smart way of irrigating in near desert conditions. less evaporation thru a few feet of sand cover.
> > its difficult to find ones way around in peru. road names are painted on building corners. the name may have been changed. i needed alot of help, sometimes hard to find.
> > i will be reducing the trip to 3 weeks, and must leave the north coastal sites for another time. so far i made it ok, but it was difficult. there are still plans to visit puno, copacabana, tiwanaku, puma punko, and la paz. there will be a boat tour on the upper and lower shore of titicaca. my time for la paz is slim, unless tours of tiwanaku are not offered at copacabana. there are objects in the museums of la paz that i would truly like to see, the cabeza, and fuente magma. last i heard, the bowl was in the basement of the museum. what could they be thinking, its their most important relic! it has cuneiform assyrian writng, and a vignette of baby heracles, both pointing to tyre.
> > mike
- ----- Original Message -----From: michaelSent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:44 AMSubject: [Ancient-Mysteries] andes
my vacation in the andes is winding down, just 4 days to go.
i saw something interesting between puno and cuzco. it was a inactive volcano, i was over 13,000 ft, so it may have been 15,000 ft tall. the sides were covered with pillow lava! the eruption had begun under the sea, and then uplift occured. based on the material ejected, it appears to have been the last event for that volcano.
it is another physical proof of elevator plate activity in the andes. paleo-magnetic core samples may reveal the approximate date of the event.
other: from my room in puno, between the regular protests and demonstrations, religious parades, and mobile loudspeakers hawking goods, i heard a beautiful tune, as if from a pipe organ. imagine my surprise to see it was a garbage truck!
we normally consider that the incas built the terraces, but strangely the slopes around cuzco are not terraced. they are more prevalent in the regions formerly occupied by the aymara. it could be that most of the terraces pre-date the incas, and could be over 12,000 years old.
the aymara are said to be the offspring of the lemurians. they had an advanced culture over 50,000 years ago, and have degraded. according to dr tschudi, the aymara shared the antediluvian anatomy, having dolichocephalic skulls. they have mixed less with other races, but their anatomy has become more modern over time. it would be interesting to know more of their lost history. since the aymara are indigenous to peru, we might expect that much of the terraces and aquaducts were their work.
its possible that the altiplano fell below the sea and was uplifted as recently as 3100 bce. titicaca then covered much of their cultivated lands, and the new elevation could not support a dense population. cayce has peruvians going to the yucatan at that time to begin the mayan culture. de la vega confirms that yucatan was an inca province. this recent date for the uplift is contrary to mainstream dogma, but seems to fit the physical terrain, the mystic reports, and andean legends. their proofs are not compelling. they measure the small current uplift, and assume that the rate was always constant. we have nazca lines on the bed of salt lakes.