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  • bigalemc2
    This thread dates back a long time. I just ran across the Las Lunas Mystery Stone the other day. For a good look at it, go on Google Images and type in Las
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      This thread dates back a long time.

      I just ran across the Las Lunas Mystery Stone the other day.

      For a good look at it, go on Google Images and type in 'Las Lunas
      stone'. Lots of images of it.

      I thought it looked a lot like Berber, but when I did 'Berber alphabet'
      on Google Images, that didn't work.

      So since the Berbers were more or less contiguous with the
      Carthaginians, and the Carthaginians I've always understood to be
      Phoenicians, I then looked up 'Phoenician alphabet' on Google Images.

      Bingo!

      Almost all characters are Phoenician. The one that looks Hebrew has a
      Phoenician reasonable look-alike.

      The translation mythisis posted sounds entirely plausible to me, for
      what that is worth.

      The existence of this stone argues strongly for a Phoenician presence in
      the contiguous U.S. in the 1st millennium B.C.E., no matter that arkies
      are ignoring it for the most part.

      Arkies in the U.S. don't go out and find things on their own, and when
      an amateur finds anything they don't like, they label it a fraud and go
      on their merry way.

      On the other hand, I just read about how in the U.K. when a new
      development is having initial excavating done, an arkie actually walks
      behind the caterpillar looking for artifacts. It is just the way they
      do it. Kudos to them.

      Steve Garcia


      --- In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com, mythisis@... wrote:
      >
      >
      > _Towns & Tales_ (http://www.hometowntales.com/towns)
      > The Mystery Rock
      > Los Lunas, NM
      >
      > In the desert outside of Los Lunas, sits a rock with a cryptic
      message
      > chiseled into it. The message is old. It’s also in an unknown
      language. Who did
      > it? When? What does it mean? These questions came together to create
      the legend
      > on New Mexico's Mystery Rock.
      > Los Lunas residents say they can remember being shown the rock from
      their
      > grandfathers, who in turn remember their grandfathers showing them.
      Encounters
      > with the stone go back as far as 1800. There are even tales among the
      Pueblo
      > Indians that the rock has been around for several dozen generations.
      Yet,
      > the inscription is remarkably deep and clear. Carved into a flat rock
      embedded
      > deep in the basalt face of the mountain is an inscription so strange
      that it
      > has puzzled archeologists, anthropologists and researchers for
      decades. A
      > close examination reveals there are nine lines of writing comprised
      of 214
      > letters. Some argued the writing resembled ancient Navajo. Experts
      say the letters
      > represent a combination of different alphabets: most are
      > Canaanite-Phoenician, though some say there are also Hebrew letters
      and a few characters that
      > resemble Russian Cyrillic, and at least one Egyptian symbol. In Los
      Lunas? What’
      > s up with that?
      >
      >
      > In 1949 a photograph of the inscription was sent to Harvard
      University. A
      > study described the writing as Old Phoenician that had not been used
      in over
      > two thousand years. For years, everybody had tried to break the
      mystery. In the
      > early 70s, Dixie Perkins from Albuquerque, who with experience in
      > deciphering ancient texts, solved broke the code. She identified the
      writing as being
      > early Greek, a form of the Phoenician alphabet. She interpreted the
      > inscription and discovered even the name of the author. To decode the
      ancient message,
      > it was necessary to add the vowels to the text, as it was the custom
      in
      > ancient Greek to eliminate them to save time in chiseling hard rock
      surfaces.
      > "I have come to this place to stay. The other one met with an
      untimely death
      > in battle, dishonored, insulted and stripped of flesh. The men
      thought him
      > to be an object of care whom I looked after, considered crazed, to be
      tossed
      > about as if in a wind, to perish in poverty and need. By my kinsmen I
      was
      > respected and honored, of blessed lot, with a body of slaves and so
      many olive
      > trees, a peg to hand anything upon. Men punished me with exile to
      exact a
      > retribution for a debt; meanwhile, I remain here as a rabbit. I,
      Zakyneros, just
      > as a prophet, out of reach of mortal man, I am fleeing and very
      afraid. I am
      > dross, refuse, scum, just as aboard ship a soft, effeminate sailor is
      flayed
      > with an animal hide, all who speak offensively are lashed or beaten
      with a
      > cane; but after a short time, the hurtful ones may be sated; at an
      unseasonable
      > time, I remain to protect from the rainy southwest winds the hollow
      or the
      > ravine. Very much harvest is gathered in, very much is in the woody
      dell and
      > glen; very many bags of young deer. Very many hides with luxuriant
      hair; by
      > the channel of a river, swift flowing. Very much is given by the
      gods, the
      > choicest kind of gift, to call upon the gods for again and again, at
      the
      > unseasonable time I become gaunt from hunger."
      > New Mexico has a history of odd visitations: Aliens, Conquistadors,
      Shirley
      > MacClean and now, it seems, we can add the ancient Greeks. Now the
      mystery
      > inscription is known, it’s raised more questions than answers.
      > Sources:
      > Mysteries & Miracles of New Mexico, Jack Kutz
      > Rhombus Publishing Co., Corrales NM , ©1988
      > _http://www.hometowntales.com/mysteryrock.html_
      > (http://www.hometowntales.com/mysteryrock.html)
      >
      > People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when
      the sun's
      > out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only
      if th
      > ere is light within.
      > - Elizabeth Kubler-Ross
      >
      >
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExploringAncientMysteries
      > PsychicAnimalCommunication@yahoogroups.com
      >
    • aumsparky@earthlink.net
      prior to 3000 bce square hebrew script was used by the jews. that date was the first diaspora of the jews, they were displaced by those using proto phoenician
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           prior to 3000 bce square hebrew script was used by the jews.  that date was the first diaspora of the jews, they were displaced by those using proto phoenician script.  the latter script remained in use in israel until about 1000 bce, when jews trickled back into their homeland, and reverted back to use of the square script.  the mainstream has other ideas on this. 
           the jews of los lunas came later than those who left the dacalogue stone of ohio.  other relics in nm suggest a visit during roman times. 
           cayce spoke of the early jews in ohio, and those of the nw who were known as the nez perce. 
           frank hibben was the man who first told of the los lunas inscription.  his maverick ideas later upset the mainstream, who until this day are busy discrediting him. 
         
         
           there is little doubt among reasonable investigators, that there were several precolumbian visits from the jews and the phoenicians.  the jews had maintained good relations with the marine traders at tyre since the days of solomon. 
           instead of learning from what is found, our lads are fast to reject relics found if they dont conform to their preconceived notions.  i guess the ancient mariners were not good enough scribes. 
         
        mike
         
         
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: bigalemc2
        Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:47 PM
        Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] Re: The Mystery Rock Los Lunas, NM

         

        This thread dates back a long time.

        I just ran across the Las Lunas Mystery Stone the other day.

        For a good look at it, go on Google Images and type in 'Las Lunas
        stone'. Lots of images of it.

        I thought it looked a lot like Berber, but when I did 'Berber alphabet'
        on Google Images, that didn't work.

        So since the Berbers were more or less contiguous with the
        Carthaginians, and the Carthaginians I've always understood to be
        Phoenicians, I then looked up 'Phoenician alphabet' on Google Images.

        Bingo!

        Almost all characters are Phoenician. The one that looks Hebrew has a
        Phoenician reasonable look-alike.

        The translation mythisis posted sounds entirely plausible to me, for
        what that is worth.

        The existence of this stone argues strongly for a Phoenician presence in
        the contiguous U.S. in the 1st millennium B.C.E., no matter that arkies
        are ignoring it for the most part.

        Arkies in the U.S. don't go out and find things on their own, and when
        an amateur finds anything they don't like, they label it a fraud and go
        on their merry way.

        On the other hand, I just read about how in the U.K. when a new
        development is having initial excavating done, an arkie actually walks
        behind the caterpillar looking for artifacts. It is just the way they
        do it. Kudos to them.

        Steve Garcia

        --- In Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com, mythisis@... wrote:
        >
        >
        > _Towns & Tales_ (http://www.hometowntales.com/towns)
        > The Mystery Rock
        > Los Lunas, NM
        >
        > In the desert outside of Los Lunas, sits a rock with a cryptic
        message
        > chiseled into it. The message is old. It’s also in an unknown
        language. Who did
        > it? When? What does it mean? These questions came together to create
        the legend
        > on New Mexico's Mystery Rock.
        > Los Lunas residents say they can remember being shown the rock from
        their
        > grandfathers, who in turn remember their grandfathers showing them.
        Encounters
        > with the stone go back as far as 1800. There are even tales among the
        Pueblo
        > Indians that the rock has been around for several dozen generations.
        Yet,
        > the inscription is remarkably deep and clear. Carved into a flat rock
        embedded
        > deep in the basalt face of the mountain is an inscription so strange
        that it
        > has puzzled archeologists, anthropologists and researchers for
        decades. A
        > close examination reveals there are nine lines of writing comprised
        of 214
        > letters. Some argued the writing resembled ancient Navajo. Experts
        say the letters
        > represent a combination of different alphabets: most are
        > Canaanite-Phoenician, though some say there are also Hebrew letters
        and a few characters that
        > resemble Russian Cyrillic, and at least one Egyptian symbol. In Los
        Lunas? What’
        > s up with that?
        >
        >
        > In 1949 a photograph of the inscription was sent to Harvard
        University. A
        > study described the writing as Old Phoenician that had not been used
        in over
        > two thousand years. For years, everybody had tried to break the
        mystery. In the
        > early 70s, Dixie Perkins from Albuquerque, who with experience in
        > deciphering ancient texts, solved broke the code. She identified the
        writing as being
        > early Greek, a form of the Phoenician alphabet. She interpreted the
        > inscription and discovered even the name of the author. To decode the
        ancient message,
        > it was necessary to add the vowels to the text, as it was the custom
        in
        > ancient Greek to eliminate them to save time in chiseling hard rock
        surfaces.
        > "I have come to this place to stay. The other one met with an
        untimely death
        > in battle, dishonored, insulted and stripped of flesh. The men
        thought him
        > to be an object of care whom I looked after, considered crazed, to be
        tossed
        > about as if in a wind, to perish in poverty and need. By my kinsmen I
        was
        > respected and honored, of blessed lot, with a body of slaves and so
        many olive
        > trees, a peg to hand anything upon. Men punished me with exile to
        exact a
        > retribution for a debt; meanwhile, I remain here as a rabbit. I,
        Zakyneros, just
        > as a prophet, out of reach of mortal man, I am fleeing and very
        afraid. I am
        > dross, refuse, scum, just as aboard ship a soft, effeminate sailor is
        flayed
        > with an animal hide, all who speak offensively are lashed or beaten
        with a
        > cane; but after a short time, the hurtful ones may be sated; at an
        unseasonable
        > time, I remain to protect from the rainy southwest winds the hollow
        or the
        > ravine. Very much harvest is gathered in, very much is in the woody
        dell and
        > glen; very many bags of young deer. Very many hides with luxuriant
        hair; by
        > the channel of a river, swift flowing. Very much is given by the
        gods, the
        > choicest kind of gift, to call upon the gods for again and again, at
        the
        > unseasonable time I become gaunt from hunger."
        > New Mexico has a history of odd visitations: Aliens, Conquistadors,
        Shirley
        > MacClean and now, it seems, we can add the ancient Greeks. Now the
        mystery
        > inscription is known, it’s raised more questions than answers.
        > Sources:
        > Mysteries & Miracles of New Mexico, Jack Kutz
        > Rhombus Publishing Co., Corrales NM , ©1988
        > _http://www.hometowntales.com/mysteryrock.html_
        > (http://www.hometowntales.com/mysteryrock.html)
        >
        > People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when
        the sun's
        > out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only
        if th
        > ere is light within.
        > - Elizabeth Kubler-Ross
        >
        >
        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExploringAncientMysteries
        > PsychicAnimalCommunication@yahoogroups.com
        >

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