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7086Re: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] book review : frank hibben's 'the lost americans'

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  • mike white
    Aug 1, 2005
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         'ice age american, or 'paleo-indians' '  author seems to hold that all evidence of mankind at sandia dates to the vacillations of the last ice age.  as if they are more credible by saying, near the end of the last ice age. 
         [i disagree, and find their premise illogical.  they have in sandia cave deposits spanning tens of thousands of years.  authors tells us that the lower sandia men used their own brand of points during a dry spell, that followed a wet, hunting one species of bison and other game.  we are talking about major climate changes happening 4 times.  the slow changing point styles underwent several major changes, indicating a very long time.  the climate changed to wet again, laying a thick layer of yellow ochre, taking thousands of years for drip water to do in a cave.  above that were the folsom people, with their refined points, a different species of bison to hunt.  then after this dry spell, another wet laying down several inches of travertine limestone.  we could be looking at occupations during different ice ages, imho.  the undisturbed yellow ochre layer, and the travertine, each may have taken 10,000 years to lay down.   it indicates more dramatic changes were happening, than the slow advance and retreat of a glacier during the same ice age.  hunters and game were more than inconvenienced, they disappeared from the land, and were replaced much later by others quite different.   i would guess we are looking at 50,000 years of history at sandia cave.  
         dr hibben was ahead of his time in his open-minded work in alaska, but was held by the same academic restraints placed on his contemporaries.   this 1946 book had a major update by hibben in 1968.  but much has changed in the last 37 years, and its telling in the text.   not as much change as needed, but progress nevertheless.]   
         [its remarkably strange that all of these cultures, who did not share weapon making skills, did know and use the atlatl.  the spear throwers were of perishable wood, while the points were of stone.  somehow the perishable was preserved, while the permanent was lost.]   
         "  To the best of our knowledge, the spearthrower was never used in either Africa or mainland Asia, but there are terms for it. " 
         [that kind of dashes the out of africa or asia theories.   im amazed that the atlatl use reached thru pacifica.  in other regions it could have been following the herds.  there was no need for it to have been carried between islands in modern times, which suggests knowledge of the atlatl may predate the sinking of lemuria, ca 50,000 bce.] 
         [im not certain the above quote is entirely true.  prorok found identical flint weapons thru the sahara, to those he met with in mexico.  if the changeable flint points were the same, no doubt they used the persistent atlatl as well.  it was no doubt used in russia and siberia.  it was possibly carried to these places from the americas, imho.  during paleo times the teeming dense populations were in central and south america, not in china or siberia.  the finds in nm seem far older than any in the sahara.  as far as i know the atlatl was not shown on the ica stones.  not sure how that bold guy climbed onto the pterodon's back.  i can see how he kept his seat, waving the flint knife before its eyes.]
         [i laughed at von daniken and his spaceships landing at nazca, now ive lived long enough to suppose that men flew over the nazca plains on pterodon's backs.  oh my!  lol] 

      Kind regards,
      Mike White
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