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  • mike white
    Oct 28, 2012
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         i took lots pf photos, but not all turned out right, some glare was present.  the sun is intense at that high of elevation.  i have uploaded them to this computer, and
      when time allows, i will try to post those that may be of interest. 
         not speaking the language made everything more difficult, particularly that involving transport.  getting on the wrong night bus across the altiplano can be a nightmare.  no heat, and apparently no springs, made the long trip quite inhumane.  it got near freezing for hours.  no toilet facilities or rest stops for 9 hours.  i knew of this possibility, but it was unavoidable. 
         further, as one advances toward and into bolivia, it gets worse.  i decided to start back early after reaching lake titicaca at puno.  the expected returns, were put aside, to avoid more hardship. 
         i had hoped to travel independently, so more time could be spent at selected sites, but it turned out that tours had to be relied on.  i didnt want to miss the last bus, and be left at some remote ruin overnight. 
         aquas caliente, below machu picchu, is near the edge of the amazon.  folks got off the train with parkas, that were quickly shed.  rooms had no screens, and the bugs, and bats were actively trying to get in.  after reading of vampire bats and assassin bugs, and seeing possible specimens, i chose to keep my windows closed, despite the heat.  from train windows peaks were seen in this region capped with snow, even in the spring, as i found it.  this indicates that they exceeded 16,000 ft, the snowline in this area.  walking was the only way to get around this shanty town that was built up the sides of the slopes.  it was tiring making the climbs to the room.  most tourists dislike this necessary place on the way to machu picchu. 
          in retrospect, one might learn as much from books and online study of the andes, than thru a brief tour of the highlights.  although, i did adjust some thoughts, after my 3 week adventure. 
          from the northern shores of titcaca, there were no sublime mountain peaks to be seen, towering above the lake.  much exertion was taxing in the thin air. 
         the larco museum in lima was incredible.  countless thousands of priceless pottery warehoused on shelves to the ceiling.  its claimed that the late sr larco dug these on his hacienda.  if so, there must have been a large city buried there, to produce that number of very high quality pottery.   mostly intricate stirrup ware.  from one piece, i have the feeling that some of this pottery may have writing. 
         the absence of a potters' wheel does not mean that the art and quality of the pieces were less, than that found where the wheel was used.  in fact, i question if the potters of the old world could create terracotta with the features of the cabeza head we have studied from titicaca. 
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      Last e-mail appeared to be cut off, my appologies.  Just wanted to comment thanks for sharing about your trip to peru and the Ica stons. Did you take phtotos that you could share?

      From: mike white <michael.white511@...>
      To: Precolumbian_Inscriptions@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:17 PM
      Subject: [Precolumbian_Inscriptions] andes
         there is a discussion of fuente magna going on in the ancient-mysteries group that i also host.  a member claiming to be a 'real archaeologist' has put forth that the bowl is a hoax, a 'candy dish' worked with a screwdriver. 
         other:  i interviewed the son of dr cabrera at ica.  he was kind enough to give me a few hours of his time, and gave me access to both storerooms housing the ica stones. 
         he says that real ica stones are etched with continous lines, like the figures at nazca.  such a unique method may point to a common origin. 
         i never determined whether the ica stones have been accepted as real relics by the peruvian authorities, and are illegal to remove from the country.  im told that at least one museum has ica stones on display, but they were not seen at the major museums that i visited in lima or ica. 
         as said before, the ica stones are housed in a colonial building, over 400 years old, which is very subject to earthquake destruction.  the stones shatter if dropped.  many were lost during the quake of 2007. 
         the curator sr cabrera will not allow even a single stone to leave the country for study.  i hate to say it, but it may be better if he placed the ica stones back in the hills where they were found, since they survived long ages at that location. 

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