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  • Rajiv Kakar
    Amir   I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research
    Message 1 of 26 , Apr 21 7:49 AM
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      Amir
       
      I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
      The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
       
      Rajiv

      From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
      Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

       
      Hi,
       
      Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
       
      Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
       
      About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
      in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
      The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
      On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
      10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
      Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
      hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
      Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
      in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
      Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
      as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
       
      If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
      hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
       
      Thanks,
      Aamir


    • jayant kumar
      The information is very correct. Sometimes the farmers may make more money and some times they may loose also. Markets in India are not constat. The trend can
      Message 2 of 26 , Apr 23 6:16 AM
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        The information is very correct. Sometimes the farmers may make more money and some times they may loose also. Markets in India are not constat. The trend can change anytime .
        Jayant

        --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Rajiv Kakar <rajiv_kakar@...> wrote:

        From: Rajiv Kakar <rajiv_kakar@...>
        Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
        To: "PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com" <PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Saturday, April 21, 2012, 8:19 PM

         

        Amir
         
        I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
        The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
         
        Rajiv

        From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
        Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

         
        Hi,
         
        Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
         
        Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
         
        About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
        in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
        The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
        On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
        10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
        Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
        hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
        Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
        in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
        Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
        as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
         
        If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
        hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
         
        Thanks,
        Aamir


      • Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui
        Hi Rajiv and Jayant, Thanks for the confirmation. In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and $150-220/- per ton for juice. I
        Message 3 of 26 , Apr 23 10:10 PM
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          Hi Rajiv and Jayant,
           
          Thanks for the confirmation.
           
          In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and
          $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.
           
          Aamir

          Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM
          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

          Amir
           
          I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
          The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
           
          Rajiv

          From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
          Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

           
          Hi,
           
          Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
           
          Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
           
          About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
          in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
          The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
          On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
          10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
          Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
          hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
          Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
          in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
          Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
          as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
           
          If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
          hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
           
          Thanks,
          Aamir


        • jayant kumar
          Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle RedJayant ... From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in
          Message 4 of 26 , Apr 24 6:29 AM
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            Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red
            Jayant

            --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:

            From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

             

            Hi Rajiv and Jayant,
             
            Thanks for the confirmation.
             
            In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and
            $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.
             
            Aamir

            Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM
            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

            Amir
             
            I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
            The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
             
            Rajiv

            From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
            Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

             
            Hi,
             
            Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
             
            Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
             
            About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
            in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
            The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
            On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
            10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
            Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
            hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
            Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
            in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
            Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
            as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
             
            If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
            hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
             
            Thanks,
            Aamir


          • Harvey Correia
            Hello Jayant, Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/ It was patented under the name of Smith
            Message 5 of 26 , Apr 24 8:20 AM
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              Hello Jayant,

              Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

              It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

              Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

              I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

              Thanks,

              Harvey


              From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
              To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
              Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

               
              Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red
              Jayant

              --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:

              From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
              Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
              To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

               
              Hi Rajiv and Jayant,
               
              Thanks for the confirmation.
               
              In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and
              $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.
               
              Aamir

              Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM
              Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

              Amir
               
              I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
              The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
               
              Rajiv

              From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
              To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
              Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

               
              Hi,
               
              Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
               
              Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
               
              About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
              in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
              The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
              On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
              10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
              Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
              hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
              Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
              in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
              Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
              as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
               
              If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
              hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
               
              Thanks,
              Aamir




            • Chad Fjeld
              Hello Jayant and Harvey, My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc. Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate
              Message 6 of 26 , Apr 24 10:50 AM
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                Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                 

                My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                 

                Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel Red® as the brand name.

                Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                 

                Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                Size

                2010 Average

                2011 No thinning

                2011 Thinned

                16-20's

                3.88%

                1.03%

                11.01%

                22's

                2.08%

                7.95%

                19.70%

                24's

                13.02%

                9.22%

                16.75%

                26's

                10.01%

                9.93%

                11.59%

                30's

                22.88%

                20.49%

                18.45%

                32's

                7.71%

                14.46%

                8.61%

                34-36's

                33.08%

                27.81%

                11.46%

                42's

                7.34%

                9.12%

                2.43%

                100.00%

                100.00%

                100.00%

                 

                The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                 

                Chad Fjeld

                General Manager

                559-827-3461

                559-732-3778 fax

                chad@...

                www.angelredpom.com

                 

                 

                From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                 

                 

                Hello Jayant,

                 

                Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                 

                It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                 

                Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                 

                I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                 

                Thanks,

                 

                Harvey

                 


                From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                 

                 

                Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                Jayant

                --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                 

                Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                 

                Thanks for the confirmation.

                 

                In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                 

                Aamir

                 

                From: Rajiv Kakar

                Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                 

                Amir

                 

                I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                 

                Rajiv

                 

                From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                 

                 

                Hi,

                 

                Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                 

                Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                 

                About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                 

                If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                 

                Thanks,

                Aamir

                 

              • Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui
                Hi Chad, Just curious how much is the profit to the farmers, after deducting the picking, packaging, etc. Thanks,Aamir To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com From:
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                  Hi Chad,

                  Just curious how much is the profit to the farmers, after deducting the picking, packaging, etc.

                  Thanks,
                  Aamir


                  To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                  From: angelredpom@...
                  Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:50:32 -0700
                  Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India



                  Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                   

                  My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                   

                  Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel RedRegistered trademark symbol as the brand name.

                  Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                  It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                  In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                  It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                  We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                  We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                   

                  Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                  Size

                  2010 Average

                  2011 No thinning

                  2011 Thinned

                  16-20's

                  3.88%

                  1.03%

                  11.01%

                  22's

                  2.08%

                  7.95%

                  19.70%

                  24's

                  13.02%

                  9.22%

                  16.75%

                  26's

                  10.01%

                  9.93%

                  11.59%

                  30's

                  22.88%

                  20.49%

                  18.45%

                  32's

                  7.71%

                  14.46%

                  8.61%

                  34-36's

                  33.08%

                  27.81%

                  11.46%

                  42's

                  7.34%

                  9.12%

                  2.43%

                  100.00%

                  100.00%

                  100.00%

                   

                  The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                  If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                   

                  Chad Fjeld

                  General Manager

                  559-827-3461

                  559-732-3778 fax

                  chad@...

                  www.angelredpom.com

                   

                   

                  From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                  To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                   

                   

                  Hello Jayant,

                   

                  Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                   

                  It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                   

                  Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                   

                  I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                   

                  Thanks,

                   

                  Harvey

                   


                  From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                  To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                  Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                   

                   

                  Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                  Jayant

                  --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                  From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                  Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                  To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                   

                  Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                   

                  Thanks for the confirmation.

                   

                  In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                  $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                   

                  Aamir

                   

                  From: Rajiv Kakar

                  Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                  Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                   

                  Amir

                   

                  I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                  The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                   

                  Rajiv

                   

                  From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                  To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                  Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                   

                   

                  Hi,

                   

                  Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                   

                  Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                   

                  About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                  in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                  The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                  On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                  10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                  Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                  hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                  Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                  in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                  Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                  as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                   

                  If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                  hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                   

                  Thanks,

                  Aamir

                   



                • Chad Fjeld
                  Hi Aamir, I hope things are going well! The grower who thinned his 4 year old trees, netted between $1,500 - 1,700.00 per acre. He has 225 tree per acre and
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                    Hi Aamir,

                     

                    I hope things are going well!

                     

                    The grower who thinned his 4 year old trees, netted between $1,500 – 1,700.00 per acre.

                    He has 225 tree per acre and his net return included his juice money and his cultural costs, picking, packing and sales commission were factored in as well.

                     

                     

                    Chad Fjeld

                    General Manager

                    559-827-3461

                    559-732-3778 fax

                    chad@...

                    www.angelredpom.com

                     

                     

                    From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:26 AM
                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                     

                     


                    Hi Chad,

                     

                    Just curious how much is the profit to the farmers, after deducting the picking, packaging, etc.

                     

                    Thanks,

                    Aamir


                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    From: angelredpom@...
                    Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:50:32 -0700
                    Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India


                    Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                     

                    My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                     

                    Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel RedDescription: Image removed by sender. Registered trademark symbol as the brand name.

                    Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                    It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                    In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                    It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                    We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                    We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                     

                    Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                    Size

                    2010 Average

                    2011 No thinning

                    2011 Thinned

                    16-20's

                    3.88%

                    1.03%

                    11.01%

                    22's

                    2.08%

                    7.95%

                    19.70%

                    24's

                    13.02%

                    9.22%

                    16.75%

                    26's

                    10.01%

                    9.93%

                    11.59%

                    30's

                    22.88%

                    20.49%

                    18.45%

                    32's

                    7.71%

                    14.46%

                    8.61%

                    34-36's

                    33.08%

                    27.81%

                    11.46%

                    42's

                    7.34%

                    9.12%

                    2.43%

                    100.00%

                    100.00%

                    100.00%

                     

                    The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                    If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                     

                    Chad Fjeld

                    General Manager

                    559-827-3461

                    559-732-3778 fax

                    chad@...

                    www.angelredpom.com

                     

                     

                    From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                     

                     

                    Hello Jayant,

                     

                    Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                     

                    It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                     

                    Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                     

                    I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                     

                    Thanks,

                     

                    Harvey

                     


                    From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                    Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                     

                     

                    Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                    Jayant

                    --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                    From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                    Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                     

                    Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                     

                    Thanks for the confirmation.

                     

                    In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                    $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                     

                    Aamir

                     

                    From: Rajiv Kakar

                    Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                    Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                     

                    Amir

                     

                    I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                    The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                     

                    Rajiv

                     

                    From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                    To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                    Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                     

                     

                    Hi,

                     

                    Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                     

                    Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                     

                    About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                    in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                    The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                    On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                    10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                    Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                    hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                    Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                    in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                    Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                    as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                     

                    If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                    hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                     

                    Thanks,

                    Aamir

                     

                     

                  • Harvey Correia
                    Welcome Chad, and thanks for posting to share your experiences. Can you tell us approximately how many acres of Angel Red are under cultivation in
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                      Welcome Chad, and thanks for posting to share your experiences.

                      Can you tell us approximately how many acres of Angel Red are under cultivation in California?  I like to see another entry into the markets and wish you success and appreciate the information you are able to bring to this discussion group.

                      Thanks,

                      Harvey


                      From: Chad Fjeld <angelredpom@...>
                      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:50 AM
                      Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                       
                      Hello Jayant and Harvey,
                       
                      My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.
                       
                      Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel Red® as the brand name.
                      Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.
                      It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.
                      In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.
                      It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.
                      We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.
                      We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.
                       
                      Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.
                      Size
                      2010 Average
                      2011 No thinning
                      2011 Thinned
                      16-20's
                      3.88%
                      1.03%
                      11.01%
                      22's
                      2.08%
                      7.95%
                      19.70%
                      24's
                      13.02%
                      9.22%
                      16.75%
                      26's
                      10.01%
                      9.93%
                      11.59%
                      30's
                      22.88%
                      20.49%
                      18.45%
                      32's
                      7.71%
                      14.46%
                      8.61%
                      34-36's
                      33.08%
                      27.81%
                      11.46%
                      42's
                      7.34%
                      9.12%
                      2.43%
                      100.00%
                      100.00%
                      100.00%
                       
                      The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.
                      If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.
                       
                      Chad Fjeld
                      General Manager
                      559-827-3461
                      559-732-3778 fax
                      chad@...
                       
                       
                      From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                       
                       
                      Hello Jayant,
                       
                      Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/
                       
                      It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html
                       
                      Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.
                       
                      I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.
                       
                      Thanks,
                       
                      Harvey
                       

                      From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                      Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                       
                       
                      Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red
                      Jayant

                      --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:

                      From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                      Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM
                       
                      Hi Rajiv and Jayant,
                       
                      Thanks for the confirmation.
                       
                      In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and
                      $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.
                       
                      Aamir
                       
                      From: Rajiv Kakar
                      Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM
                      Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                       
                      Amir
                       
                      I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.
                      The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.
                       
                      Rajiv
                       
                      From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                      To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                      Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                       
                       
                      Hi,
                       
                      Can anyone confirm if the following is true:
                       
                      Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.
                       
                      About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was
                      in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                      The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                      On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining
                      10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                      Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per
                      hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                      Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);
                      in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                      Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation
                      as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 
                       
                      If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can
                      hardly get $220-250/- per ton.
                       
                      Thanks,
                      Aamir
                       


                    • Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui
                      Hi Chad, Thanks for the prompt reply, I hope you are also doing good. The net income of the farmer confirms a premium return of $300 on Angel Red vs $220/ton
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                        Hi Chad,

                        Thanks for the prompt reply, I hope you are also doing good.

                        The net income of the farmer confirms a premium return of $300 on Angel Red vs $220/ton 
                        as compared to the other varieties.

                        Thanks,
                        Aamir



                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        From: angelredpom@...
                        Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:36:33 -0700
                        Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India



                        Hi Aamir,

                         

                        I hope things are going well!

                         

                        The grower who thinned his 4 year old trees, netted between $1,500 – 1,700.00 per acre.

                        He has 225 tree per acre and his net return included his juice money and his cultural costs, picking, packing and sales commission were factored in as well.

                         

                         

                        Chad Fjeld

                        General Manager

                        559-827-3461

                        559-732-3778 fax

                        chad@...

                        www.angelredpom.com

                         

                         

                        From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:26 AM
                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                         

                         


                        Hi Chad,

                         

                        Just curious how much is the profit to the farmers, after deducting the picking, packaging, etc.

                         

                        Thanks,

                        Aamir


                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        From: angelredpom@...
                        Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:50:32 -0700
                        Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India


                        Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                         

                        My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                         

                        Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel RedDescription: Image removed by sender. Registered trademark symbol as the brand name.

                        Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                        It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                        In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                        It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                        We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                        We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                         

                        Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                        Size

                        2010 Average

                        2011 No thinning

                        2011 Thinned

                        16-20's

                        3.88%

                        1.03%

                        11.01%

                        22's

                        2.08%

                        7.95%

                        19.70%

                        24's

                        13.02%

                        9.22%

                        16.75%

                        26's

                        10.01%

                        9.93%

                        11.59%

                        30's

                        22.88%

                        20.49%

                        18.45%

                        32's

                        7.71%

                        14.46%

                        8.61%

                        34-36's

                        33.08%

                        27.81%

                        11.46%

                        42's

                        7.34%

                        9.12%

                        2.43%

                        100.00%

                        100.00%

                        100.00%

                         

                        The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                        If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                         

                        Chad Fjeld

                        General Manager

                        559-827-3461

                        559-732-3778 fax

                        chad@...

                        www.angelredpom.com

                         

                         

                        From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                         

                         

                        Hello Jayant,

                         

                        Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                         

                        It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                         

                        Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                         

                        I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                         

                        Thanks,

                         

                        Harvey

                         


                        From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                        Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                         

                         

                        Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                        Jayant

                        --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                        From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                        Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                         

                        Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                         

                        Thanks for the confirmation.

                         

                        In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                        $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                         

                        Aamir

                         

                        From: Rajiv Kakar

                        Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                        Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                         

                        Amir

                         

                        I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                        The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                         

                        Rajiv

                         

                        From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                        To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                        Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                         

                         

                        Hi,

                         

                        Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                         

                        Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                         

                        About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                        in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                        The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                        On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                        10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                        Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                        hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                        Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                        in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                        Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                        as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                         

                        If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                        hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                         

                        Thanks,

                        Aamir

                         

                         



                      • Chad Fjeld
                        Thank you Harvey, I’ve been ‘trolling’ (I think that’s the term) this group since I joined and am always impressed with the exchange of information
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                          Thank you Harvey,

                           

                          I’ve been ‘trolling’ (I think that’s the term) this group since I joined and am always impressed with the exchange of information from everyone!

                          Our farmers have approximately 1,200 acres planted and last season was our second harvest. Obviously we are just entering the market and appreciate your kind wishes.

                          Monrovia Nursery is the exclusive propagator for both our farmers and for retail nursery sales.

                          Not only are we proud to be associated with such a premier nursery but we like that they incorporate Mycorrhizae fungi into their soil so that their plants make better use of water and fertilizers.

                          It’s much more economical to re-incorporate Mycorrhizae into the soil at their level than on the farm.

                           

                          Again, thank you for such a warm welcome!

                           

                          Chad Fjeld

                          General Manager

                          559-827-3461

                          559-732-3778 fax

                          chad@...

                          www.angelredpom.com

                           

                           

                          From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:20 PM
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                           

                          Welcome Chad, and thanks for posting to share your experiences.

                           

                          Can you tell us approximately how many acres of Angel Red are under cultivation in California?  I like to see another entry into the markets and wish you success and appreciate the information you are able to bring to this discussion group.

                           

                          Thanks,


                          Harvey

                           


                          From: Chad Fjeld <angelredpom@...>
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:50 AM
                          Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                           

                          Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                           

                          My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                           

                          Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel Red® as the brand name.

                          Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                          It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                          In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                          It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                          We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                          We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                           

                          Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                          Size

                          2010 Average

                          2011 No thinning

                          2011 Thinned

                          16-20's

                          3.88%

                          1.03%

                          11.01%

                          22's

                          2.08%

                          7.95%

                          19.70%

                          24's

                          13.02%

                          9.22%

                          16.75%

                          26's

                          10.01%

                          9.93%

                          11.59%

                          30's

                          22.88%

                          20.49%

                          18.45%

                          32's

                          7.71%

                          14.46%

                          8.61%

                          34-36's

                          33.08%

                          27.81%

                          11.46%

                          42's

                          7.34%

                          9.12%

                          2.43%

                          100.00%

                          100.00%

                          100.00%

                           

                          The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                          If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                           

                          Chad Fjeld

                          General Manager

                          559-827-3461

                          559-732-3778 fax

                          chad@...

                           

                           

                          From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                           

                          Hello Jayant,

                           

                          Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                           

                          It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                           

                          Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                           

                          I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                           

                          Thanks,

                           

                          Harvey

                           


                          From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                           

                          Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                          Jayant

                          --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                          From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                           

                          Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                           

                          Thanks for the confirmation.

                           

                          In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                          $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                           

                          Aamir

                           

                          From: Rajiv Kakar

                          Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                          Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                          Amir

                           

                          I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                          The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                           

                          Rajiv

                           

                          From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                          To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                          Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                           

                           

                          Hi,

                           

                          Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                           

                          Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                           

                          About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                          in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                          The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                          On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                          10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                          Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                          hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                          Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                          in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                          Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                          as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                           

                          If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                          hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                           

                          Thanks,

                          Aamir

                           

                           

                        • jayant kumar
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                            Dear Chad
                            I would like to know the taste of the variety, Sweet or sour percentage of acidity, sugar percentage and Total soluble solids
                            Jayant

                            --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Chad Fjeld <angelredpom@...> wrote:

                            From: Chad Fjeld <angelredpom@...>
                            Subject: RE: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 11:20 PM

                             

                            Hello Jayant and Harvey,

                             

                            My name is Chad and I’m the general manager of Angel Red Pomegranate Inc.

                             

                            Greg Smith is the patent holder of ‘Smith’ Pomegranate and as ‘Smith’, respectfully, is a boring name for a commercial product, we came up with Angel Red® as the brand name.

                            Smith pomegranate is probably a cross between Granada and Wonderful as Greg had both varieties on his orchard at one time.

                            It typically ripens around Labor Day here in the U.S. (approximately September 6th), is bright red, has a relatively soft endocarp and good juice volume.

                            In 2010, the Davis Rare Fruit Growers, had a taste testing and according to the results that I saw, Smith was very similar to Wonderful in brix, acid and taste.

                            It is a very prolific plant and we recommend to our growers that they thin in July and allow 4 inches between each fruit.

                            We have had growers with 4th leaf trees harvest 25 pounds of fruit for the fresh market and 25 pounds of fruit for the juice market and that was from trees that were thinned.

                            We’ve had other growers that didn’t thin and lost a lot of trees as they fell over from the weight.

                             

                            Following are the size distributions from last year, this year, as well as the thinned orchards for comparison.

                            Size

                            2010 Average

                            2011 No thinning

                            2011 Thinned

                            16-20's

                            3.88%

                            1.03%

                            11.01%

                            22's

                            2.08%

                            7.95%

                            19.70%

                            24's

                            13.02%

                            9.22%

                            16.75%

                            26's

                            10.01%

                            9.93%

                            11.59%

                            30's

                            22.88%

                            20.49%

                            18.45%

                            32's

                            7.71%

                            14.46%

                            8.61%

                            34-36's

                            33.08%

                            27.81%

                            11.46%

                            42's

                            7.34%

                            9.12%

                            2.43%


                            100.00%

                            100.00%

                            100.00%

                             

                            The fruit has been very well received in the market and last year the average wholesale price was almost $1.00 per fruit.

                            If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

                             

                            Chad Fjeld

                            General Manager

                            559-827-3461

                            559-732-3778 fax

                            chad@...

                            www.angelredpom.com

                             

                             

                            From: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Correia
                            Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:21 AM
                            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                             

                             

                            Hello Jayant,

                             

                            Here is a web site dedicated to Angel Red: http://www.angelredpom.com/

                             

                            It was patented under the name of 'Smith' http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/PP16578/description.html

                             

                            Someone from associated in some manner with the company which owns or promotes Angel Red joined this group earlier this year and posted once.  Perhaps that person will join in on the discussion and make an introduction and explain how the variety has performed and been accepted into the marketplace.

                             

                            I have several Angel Red in my test plot.  I have not had any great or terrible impression with them but my area is normally somewhat cool for pomegranates and the past two summers have been cooler than normal.  I'm hoping for something more "normal" this year.

                             

                            Thanks,

                             

                            Harvey

                             


                            From: jayant kumar <jayantkumar_in@...>
                            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:29 AM
                            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                             

                             

                            Dear Aamir Please tell me which variety is this Angle Red

                            Jayant

                            --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...> wrote:


                            From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India
                            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:40 AM

                             

                            Hi Rajiv and Jayant,

                             

                            Thanks for the confirmation.

                             

                            In California some farmers get around $0.44 per Kg for fresh produce and

                            $150-220/- per ton for juice. I think Angel Red is sold for premium.

                             

                            Aamir

                             

                            From: Rajiv Kakar

                            Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:49 AM

                            Subject: Re: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                             

                            Amir

                             

                            I cant comment about the specifics but the calculation of a wholesale price of 35Rs per kg is consistent with what I found when I was doing my research on varieties I could grow in my farm.

                            The retail price to the consumer works out to 100Rs per kg in built up areas so I would not be at all suprised by these statistics. Remember India is booming at present with a burgeoning middle class and there has always been pent up demand for exotics like pomegranate. I know the UK and middle east are big importers of Pom from india.

                             

                            Rajiv

                             

                            From: Dr. Aamir A. Farooqui <aamirf@...>
                            To: PomWorldwide@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2012, 15:35
                            Subject: [PomWorldwide] Pom income in India

                             

                             

                            Hi,

                             

                            Can anyone confirm if the following is true:

                             

                            Kustagi and Yelburga taluks of Koppal district – remote and most backward areas of the State.

                             

                            About 250 tons of pomegranate were exported from this small area and volume of trade was

                            in the tune of Rs.8.50 crores.
                            The produce fetched a price of Rs.35,000/- (750 $) per ton.
                            On an average, they have exported 7.5 – 10 tons of fruits per hectare remaining

                            10 – 12. 5 tons were sold locally.
                            Farmers have earned about Rs.4.5 lakhs to 5.75 lakhs per

                            hectare (9600 – 12300 $. Incurred an expenditure of Rs.75,000/- per hectare (1600 $).
                            Net Profit - Rs.3.75 lakhs to Rs.5.00 lakhs per hectare (8000 – 10700 $);

                            in some cases, it has crossed Rs.6.25 lakhs per hectare (13400 $).
                            Farmers convinced about- profitability of pomegranate cultivation

                            as there is considerable demand for the pomegranate grown in the region. 

                             

                            If the above is true, shame on the US Pom. market, where the farmers can

                            hardly get $220-250/- per ton.

                             

                            Thanks,

                            Aamir

                             

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