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Rabbi sets Polish Jewish relationship backwards

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  • Carol
    Group, I wanted to give some links to this Rabbi and what has been said. IMHO it makes the Bishop look mellow. Anti-Polish by Israel is on the rise and will
    Message 1 of 1 , Mar 1, 2009

      I wanted to give some links to this Rabbi and what has been said.
      IMHO it makes the Bishop look mellow. Anti-Polish by Israel is on the
      rise and will take from a relationship that should be mutual respect
      reguardless of the God each pray to. Both were victims and both had
      people on the wrong side of the military.

      It start last week with this.
      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3675990,00.html use the
      link to see the 145 comments. Then below is the newest from Poland
      and the Rabbis reactions.

      Rabbi Aviner: Visiting Nazi death camps forbidden

      Prominent Zionist rabbi says leaving Land of Israel not for sake of
      mitzvah banned, as is helping Poles – who collaborated with Nazis –
      make living out of death camps

      Kobi Nahshoni Published: 02.23.09, 14:21 / Israel Jewish Scene

      Educational school trips to the Nazi death camps in Poland have
      become common among most Jewish sectors in Israel, but prominent
      Zionist Rabbi Shlomo Aviner recently claimed that they are in fact
      forbidden for halachic reasons, and urged schools to cancel them.


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      Answering a reader's question on the subject in the
      religious "Ma'ayaney Hayeshua" journal, Aviner stated that trips to
      Poland were "not good" due to the halachic ban on leaving Eretz
      Israel, and because they "provide livelihood to murderers."

      In a conversation with Ynet, Aviner explained: "As is well known,
      leaving Israel is permitted only for the sake of mitzvah, while
      visiting the death camps is not defined as a mitzvah by the Halacha.
      There are important figures and great rabbis who have not visited

      "Clearly what happened in the Holocaust must be remembered, but this
      can be done using films, books, the Yad Vashem museum and there are
      even the testimonies of survivors who are still alive," he stated.

      And what about the emotional experience?

      "I once told educators that in any case the impression vanishes after
      six months, like any other emotional experience with a short shelf
      life. They smiled and said that it actually fades away after three

      Aviner also said that the trips have not been proven to have
      an "educational value." "For some this experience is very difficult
      and they come back utterly distraught," he added.

      'Why should Nazi collaborators benefit?'
      Another argument against visiting the camps, according to the rabbi,
      was the fact that the Polish people "collaborated with the Nazis" and
      were now making a living off of these visits. "I'm not busy holding a
      grudge against the Poles, but we shouldn't provide livelihood to
      people who allowed death camps to be built on their land and who are
      now making a profit out of it.

      "They are not my friends and I don't want to support them."

      According to Aviner, it was not accidental that the Nazis chose to
      erect the extermination camps in Poland. "They knew that the people
      would do nothing. One person was enough to blow up the railroad
      tracks. Why wasn't this done? Because they all said, 'good,' smiled
      and waited for what needed to be done to be done by the Nazis.

      "Many Jews who escaped from the camps were later murdered outside by
      the Polish resistance. When the Jews came back to the city their
      housees were inhabited and they faced a pogrom. To this day trials
      are being held against Poles who stole houses," he concluded.

      Polish rabbis: Aviner's words could trigger anti-Semitism

      Jewish leaders in Poland concerned rabbi's remarks that Israelis
      should not visit Poland because Poles collaborated with Nazis, might
      jeopardize Jews in country

      Kobi Nahshoni Published: 03.01.09, 14:44 / Israel Jewish Scene

      Statements made by Rabbi Shlomo Aviner in a recent interview to Ynet,
      in which he urged schools not to take their students to the Nazi
      death camps in Poland, continued to trigger heated controversy in
      Israel and abroad this week.

      Rabbis in Poland are now concerned that Aviner's words could stir
      anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic responses in the country that would be
      directed against local Jews. They approached Aviner on the matter,
      and he agreed to publish a statement stressing that not all Poles
      should be accused of collaborating with the Nazis during World War

      Aviner's Words

      Rabbi Aviner: Visiting Nazi death camps forbidden / Kobi Nahshoni

      Prominent Zionist rabbi says leaving Land of Israel not for sake of
      mitzvah banned, as is helping Poles – who collaborated with Nazis –
      make living out of death camps
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      However, Aviner refused to recant on his stance that there is a
      halachic, moral and educational ban against visiting Auschwitz.

      Aviner's words made it to the Polish press, and prompted officials in
      Warsaw to protest the comments to Poland's chief rabbi, Michael
      Schudrich. Schudrich asked Krakow's Israeli rabbi, Boaz Pash, to sort
      the matter vis-à-vis Aviner.

      'Poles suffered too'
      "With his remarks Rabbi Aviner essentially strengthens the same anti-
      Semitic trends that still exist in Poland and that we're fighting
      against," Pash told Ynet. "His words obviously aren't helping the
      Jewish communities here. They contained sweeping generalizations that
      are taken lightly in Israel, but that are met with high sensitivity
      in Poland; he's put us in a very difficult spot."

      According to Pash, this was not the first time that Aviner has made
      such comments. "These are inaccurate statements that could backfire
      and hurt the Jewish communities. Rabbi Schudrich has already received
      very agitated appeals on the matter, and I know he's very hurt by

      Pash said that the relations between the Poles and the Jewish people
      are complex, and that not all Poles collaborated with the Nazis
      during the Holocaust. "Most of the Righteous among the Nations were
      from Poland," he stated.

      "Let's not forget that they suffered a lot as well. It was the Nazis
      who murdered the Jews. The Poles perhaps didn't want the Jews, but
      the same can be said about the Ukrainians, the Latvians, the French,
      the Dutch, and all the other nice ones from Europe."

      Aviner: There were Poles who saved Jews
      The harsh criticism against him prompted Rabbi Aviner to publish a
      statement saying that generalizations should not be made on such
      issues. "You can't say that the Poles were lovers of Israel, but
      there were many Righteous among the Nations in their midst. There
      were Poles who saved Jews and Poles who risked their lives to save
      Jews… and they should be commended."

      However, Aviner stressed that he still maintained his position
      against the trips to Poland, for halachic and educational concerns.

      Foreign Ministry Spokesman Yossi Levy told Ynet in response to the
      affair: "The Foreign Ministry wholeheartedly rejects any sweeping
      remark claiming that the Polish people were allegedly party to the
      horrible crimes committed by Nazi Germany against the Jewish people
      in Poland.


      I would like to know how others feel?

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