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  • Thyme Trax
    It appears Carol that Swing music and  the followers  were  also punished with  concentration camps;
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 3, 2008
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      It appears Carol that Swing music and  the followers  were  also punished with  concentration camps;

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Kids

       

      On January 2, 1942, Heinrich Himmler wrote to Reinhard Heydrich calling on him to clamp down on the ringleaders of the Swing movement, recommending a few years in a concentration camp with beatings and forced labor. The crackdown soon followed: clubs were raided and participants were hauled off to camps.

       

      My judgement is that the whole evil must be radically exterminated now. I cannot but see that we have taken only half measures. All ringleaders (...) are into a concentration camp to be re-educated (...) detention in concentration camp for these youths must be longer, 2-3 years (...) it is only through the utmost brutality that we will be able to avert the dangerous spread of anglophile tendencies, in these times where Germany fights for its survival. (Heinrich Himmler)

       

      Were these victims included in the USHMM?

      pozdrawiam Krysia



      --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Carol <stashaok@...> wrote:

      From: Carol <stashaok@...>
      Subject: [Poland-speaks-out] Once more USHMM leaves out Polish or Slavic victims
      To: Poland-speaks-out@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:03 AM

      http://www.queensco urier.com/ articles/ 2008/05/22/ news/top_
      stories/news
      25.txt

      Although the Jewish people suffered the greatest at the hands of the
      Nazis, the desire to create a master race and get rid of Nazi
      opposition affected others who were also killed and brutalized.

      Near the beginning of Hitler's reign, according to the United States
      Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), targets included Communists,
      Socialists, Social Democrats and leaders of the trade union.

      As the Nazis began to target other groups, a euthanasia program was
      used to start to get rid of both children and adults who were
      institutionalized.

      Another group that was targeted was Jehovah's Witnesses "because they
      were unwilling to accept the authority of the state, because of their
      international connections, and because they were strongly opposed to
      both war on behalf of a temporal authority and organized government
      in matters of science," according to the USHMM website. Also, their
      apolitical actions were often viewed as being anti-Nazi.

      Many Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to prison or concentration camps,
      where they were marked by purple triangle badges. It is estimated
      that 1,000 German Jehovah's Witnesses died during their imprisonment,
      as well as 400 from different countries. Also, 250 were executed
      because they refused to serve in Germany's military.

      Male homosexuals were also persecuted by the Nazi party. Among the
      reasons for this was that they were viewed as too weak to fight for
      their country and "unlikely to produce children and increase the
      German birthrate," according to USHMM.

      During the Nazi reign, many thousands of homosexuals were arrested,
      also ending up in prisons and camps. They were forced to wear pink
      triangles.

      Another group singled out for racial reasons were the Roma, or
      gypsies. They too were sent to camps and killed. There are no exact
      figures on how many European Roma were killed during the Holocaust,
      although a rough estimate is that it was between 25 and 50 percent of
      their population.


    • Carol
      Krysia and Group, This just shows how much we don t know. This artical is 1988 and I can t help but wonder how this was hidden? From the USA I think of 1988
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 4, 2008
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        Krysia and Group,

        This just shows how much we don't know. This artical is 1988 and I
        can't help but wonder how this was hidden? From the USA I think of
        1988 and the freedom's and how outspoken we are, yet in this other
        part of our world it seems people still were living in fear of really
        speaking out. How many knew the full truth but would pay with their
        life if they spoke out? If Zyanon Paznyak and Yauhen Shmyhalou had
        knowledge their artical "Kurapaty –the Road of Death" in "Litaratura
        i Mastatstva" would have such an effect as it "provoked one of the
        first mass protest action in the USSR"? Never underestimate the
        power of words.

        At times we seem to think we know it all and yet we know so little.
        Each nation had victim's. Innocent people that never asked for a war.


        Carol (Use link for photo's)


        http://www.charter9 7.org/en/ news/2008/ 6/3/7114/


        On 3 June 1988 the Belarusians learnt the truth about Stalin's
        repressions in the country through an article "Kurapaty –the Road of
        Death" in "Litaratura i Mastatstva" newspaper, written by Zyanon
        Paznyak and Yauhen Shmyhalou. This article also provoked one of the
        first mass protest action in the USSR – people came to Kurapaty on
        Dzyady (the day of commemoration of the dead).

        Kurapaty, near Minsk, is a place of mass executions in 1937-41.
        During archaeological dig in forest area Kurapaty in April-May 1988
        human remains were found. These facts soon spread due to the activity
        of Zyanon Paznyak, historian, leader of the Belarusian Popular Front
        party and public organisation "Martyrology of Belarus." In June 1988
        a governmental commission was created and procuracy of the BSSR
        (Belarusian Soviet Socialistic Republic) instituted a criminal case
        on the revealed facts.

        In the process of investigation it was cleared out, which is
        confirmed by information report of the General Prosecutor's Office of
        the Republic of Belarus, that officers of the BSSR NKVD (Soviet
        secret police) executed the repressed Belarusian people. According to
        different data, about 30 thousand people are buried in Kurapaty (some
        historians say about 100 and even 250 thousand people). But under
        Lukashenka's rule the official propaganda began to refute the facts,
        confirmed by the state commissions in 1990ies.

        In 1988 dozens of thousands of people came to Kurapaty to pay tribute
        to the memory of the victims. These memorial rallies gave birth to
        the Belarusian Popular Front "Revival" (the BPF). A many-thousand
        meeting near Maskouskiya cemetery in early November of 1988 and rally
        to Kurapaty, dedicated to Dzyady, the day of commemoration of the
        dead, were dispersed by the communists BSSR authorities with the help
        of water cannons and tear-gas.

        Due to demands of various public organisations 4 official
        investigations have been conducted on Kurapaty case over the last 20
        years. Specialists from the General Prosecutor's Office, the Military
        Prosecutor's Office, and scientists worked on the case. They came to
        categorical conclusion that the executions were performed by NKVD
        bodies during 1930ies till the beginning of war 1941-45. The
        conclusions of the last investigation haven't been published yet,
        Radio Svaboda reports.

        Discoverer of Kurapaty Zyanon Paznyak thinks "through the
        understanding of the truth about genocide Kurapaty mobilised the
        people to fighting for freedom and justice, and gave an impact to
        resurrection of the Belarusian nation."

        The importance of the revealing the truth about Kurapaty for Belarus,
        in Paznyak's opinion, is that it has become an infallible proof of
        the genocide of Russian occupants against the Belarusian people,
        which was organised under the cover of communism as a social form and
        ideology of terror, as a method of excuse of massacre."

        Zyanon Paznyak is sure it is Kurapaty that have really given an
        opportunity of "Nurnberg process" over the Russian communism. "So
        while the Russian superstate exists, while its criminal power and
        imperial policy exist, there will be aspirations to destroy Kurapaty
        and everything connected with them," the politician explains the
        unwillingness of the Belarusian regime to recognise Kurapaty as a
        sign of the communist terror.

        However, he is sure that every Belarusian takes Kurapaty as "a many-
        valued symbol of the destiny of our people, it is also a sacred
        place, painful point of the Belarusian people's genius and Bulgarian
        existence."

        Archaeologist Mikola Kryvaltsevich, a participant of dig in Kurapaty,
        is sure little has been made for the 20 years to research Kurapaty
        further.

        "it has been established that executions and burial of the killed
        people in Kurapaty took place in the 1930ies. It is only beginning of
        the investigation of Kurapaty matter: we must know, who was killed,
        who performed the execution, where the people were guarded from, what
        accusation they were presented... Kurapaty is only one site on a map
        of Belarus, where people were executed. Places of mass executions
        were near every big Belarusian city. We must look for these place,
        research them," Kryvaltsevich says.

        But, according to the archaeologist, the activity that has any
        relation to disclosure of Stalin's repressions was practically
        stopped in Belarus. So the society should gain showdown to the truth,
        the society has a lot work to do there.

        Mr Kryvaltsevich also told a bout a strong impression of his work in
        Kurapaty. "I was impressed with despair, hopelessness o0f the people,
        who were killed, who weren't able to defend themselves. The society
        we lived and are living now can't defend itself and consolidate for a
        time of persecution. The most impressive thing I saw during these
        disinterments was see the thousands of killed people lying in graves,
        and nobody cares for it. Unfortunately, many Belarusians don't know
        about that place," the archaeologist concluded.







        -- In Poland-speaks-out@yahoogroups.com, Thyme Trax <thymetrax@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > It appears Carol that Swing music and  the
        followers  were  also punished
        with  concentration camps;
        > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Kids
        >  
        > On January 2, 1942, Heinrich Himmler wrote to Reinhard Heydrich
        calling on him to clamp down on the ringleaders of the Swing
        movement, recommending a few years in a concentration camp with
        beatings and forced labor. The crackdown soon followed: clubs were
        raided and participants were hauled off to camps.
        >  
        > My judgement is that the whole evil must be radically exterminated
        now. I cannot but see that we have taken only half measures. All
        ringleaders (...) are into a concentration camp to be re-educated
        (...) detention in concentration camp for these youths must be
        longer, 2-3 years (...) it is only through the utmost brutality that
        we will be able to avert the dangerous spread of anglophile
        tendencies, in these times where Germany fights for its survival.
        (Heinrich Himmler)
        >  
        > Were these victims included in the USHMM?
        > pozdrawiam Krysia
        >
        >
        > --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Carol stashaok@... wrote:
        >
        > From: Carol stashaok@...
        > Subject: [Poland-speaks-out] Once more USHMM leaves out Polish or
        Slavic victims
        > To: Poland-speaks-out@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:03 AM
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > http://www.queensco urier.com/ articles/ 2008/05/22/ news/top_
        > stories/news
        > 25.txt
        >
        > Although the Jewish people suffered the greatest at the hands of
        the
        > Nazis, the desire to create a master race and get rid of Nazi
        > opposition affected others who were also killed and brutalized.
        >
        > Near the beginning of Hitler's reign, according to the United
        States
        > Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), targets included Communists,
        > Socialists, Social Democrats and leaders of the trade union.
        >
        > As the Nazis began to target other groups, a euthanasia program was
        > used to start to get rid of both children and adults who were
        > institutionalized.
        >
        > Another group that was targeted was Jehovah's Witnesses "because
        they
        > were unwilling to accept the authority of the state, because of
        their
        > international connections, and because they were strongly opposed
        to
        > both war on behalf of a temporal authority and organized government
        > in matters of science," according to the USHMM website. Also, their
        > apolitical actions were often viewed as being anti-Nazi.
        >
        > Many Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to prison or concentration
        camps,
        > where they were marked by purple triangle badges. It is estimated
        > that 1,000 German Jehovah's Witnesses died during their
        imprisonment,
        > as well as 400 from different countries. Also, 250 were executed
        > because they refused to serve in Germany's military.
        >
        > Male homosexuals were also persecuted by the Nazi party. Among the
        > reasons for this was that they were viewed as too weak to fight for
        > their country and "unlikely to produce children and increase the
        > German birthrate," according to USHMM.
        >
        > During the Nazi reign, many thousands of homosexuals were arrested,
        > also ending up in prisons and camps. They were forced to wear pink
        > triangles.
        >
        > Another group singled out for racial reasons were the Roma, or
        > gypsies. They too were sent to camps and killed. There are no exact
        > figures on how many European Roma were killed during the Holocaust,
        > although a rough estimate is that it was between 25 and 50 percent
        of
        > their population.
        >
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