Re: [Peterhead] Rosehearty Parish?Non-reply but inquiry.
- Good evening, Hester: I see you got your inquiry annswered on Rosehearty.
I have used the Mormons farmilysearch to see what they say on the offspring
of James Milne and Elizabeth Walker. Their site refers to various Mormon
filmed records on the births of the couples children. Some children were not
mentioned in our prior e-mail exchanges, however.
The most interesting new information to me, however, was it seems that there
have been one or more Mormons that have been very interested in the couple and
their children. I have had some experience before in running into such
situation...it was when I was checking on the so-called research of the former
Toronto main line minister and officer in its Toronto Headquarters. He was
claiming that he found the Mormon record and OPR of my great grandfather. I
checked myself plus with the help of a Salt Lake, City researcher. First we found
that the Mormon IGI record and date were non existent for Index date of 1822.
Actually this man was born one year later, and the entry was made in 1824 for
Novembe of 1823. A good genealogist does not rely just on the Mormon Index,
as they do make errors.
However the above is just background...what we found was various Mormon
entries for a George Thomson ( a very common name in Scotland) giving various
dates, but mainly 1823. I tracked down those Mormons, and there were I believe
three different Mormons that had made entries...but, of course, no filming
numbers. I contacted one of them that appeared the best source and got his
Mormon file or Temple record. In that case, to me it was conclusive that your
Toronto minister genealogist was way off base, and even if the birth date should
have been 1823 instead of the date of 1822, used by my great grandfather, the
information provided by the Mormons rebutted the ministers claim.
I did not know if you were working with Mormon relatives on John and
Elizabeth, or not.. I would guess from what I find that there are several, all
trying to make sure they have the record placed so John and Elizabeth can be
baptized per their procedure.
I find that the Mormons claim the Senior James was born either in 1821 or
1822 in Peterhead. I do not think there is any argument that he married
Elizabeth in Crimond. Child No l. is Margaret, born November 19, 1845, in Crimond.
Two Mormon filmings and 2 different Mormons each recorded by a n;umber,
however each of them has her born in Peterhead; Child No. 2 Mary( Presume this is
"Mary-Anne") b. Oct 11, 1847 in Peterhead..two Mormon filmings and two Mormons
filing separately under different numbers; Child No. 3. James b. July 20,
1849 in Peterhead...two Mormon filmings plus two different Mormons filing
separately; Child No.4 Elizabeth b. Feb 2, 1852 in Peterhead....several Mormon
filmings and one Mormons filing; Child No. 5 Jean b. Feb.. 24, 1854...Two
Mormon filmings and two Mormons each filing under separate number.; Child No. 6
Alexander b. Feb.7, 1856 in Peterhead.... one Mormon abbreviated filing;
Child. No. 7 James II b. Sept. 27, 1859 in Peterhead...an abbreviated filming.
I tried to get on Scotlandspeople, but for some reason I did not readily get
connected. I have found, and they also say, that the death record is
supposed to have the parents names and place of birth. Of course it all depends
on the "informant" but it is a chance to put this question at rest, perhaps.
The point of this e-mail is whether your knew how interested some Mormons
were, and whether you knew who they were, and whether if you did not , if you
would like to know who they were....Could they have any more helpful information
on our present issues.
From what I have seen, there are so many indications, by the names used, the
witnesses at the baptisms, the date and the birth year of James Sr. etc. that
I will always wonder, if the likelyhood that James in our James, if not
Our James Sr, had three baptized brothers: John b. Oct. 1814; Robert. b.
1816; and George b. September, 1822; The sister, Elizabeth Milne Chivas bas
born in 1823, and of course my great grandmother, Elspet, was born at
Netherhill, St. Fergus Parish June 10th of 1828.
I also suggest you get out of the library the book: NORTHEAST LOWLANDS OF
SCOTLAND< by John R. Allan. His first edition was
first put out in the 1950's but I purchased a revised edition put out in
1970's While a newspaperman, he has been so well regarded that Phd. Scottish
Scholars often refer to or quote him. Now deceased for some time, his son
CHARLIE ALLAN, is a well- know personality in the Aberdeen Doric culture and area
besides being a world class athlete. John was also raised in the area where
some of your people were from.
Regards, Jim Thomson
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