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  • Pat & Peter Campbell
    Hi Alex & Kevin, Thank you both for the information on the above. Captain William Murrison No. 89825, was granted C.O.C. Only Mate on ship Rosebud Reg. No.
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 13, 2005
      Hi Alex & Kevin,

      Thank you both for the information on the above.

      Captain William Murrison No. 89825, was granted C.O.C."Only Mate" on ship
      "Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883 1/3/1869, and he was living in Peterhead. He got
      married in 1872 in Aberdeen, and was still mate aboard "Rosebud" until
      23/6/1873. From Lloyds Captains Register he became "Master" of the
      "Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883, 29/9/1873 - 18/11/1873.

      His wife and son arrived in Melbourne, Australia in 1875 on the "St. Osyth",
      and not sure how William arrived there.

      He either sailed out on the "Rosebud" No. 58883, as this ship was in
      Australian waters at this time, or sailed as Captain of "Lottery" Reg. No.
      15824, Brigantine, 150 tons, Reg. London, which was lost without trace
      between Mauritius and Melbourne in Feb 1878. This is the last listed ship
      from Lloyds Captains Register for William.

      The owners of the "Rosebud" No. 58883 Schooner, 190 tons, in Melbourne,
      Australia were Pigott & Tulloch.

      From the http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au I see there is a John Collie
      Captain of "Rosebud" 341 tons from the Port of Colombo via Melbourne to
      Sydney N.S.W. 24th Apr. 1878.

      Alex, I would be interested in any information you may have of the ships
      which William sailed on as follows:-
      ALERT reg Peterhead No. 19545 "Student" 1859 - 1860
      POLAR STAR " No. 19568 " 1860
      AGOSTINA " No. 19538 "O/D & A/B" 1861 & 1863
      WINWARD " No. 27527 "O/D & A/B" 1862 & 1864
      RESTLESS " No. 45129 " C & A/B" 1867
      FLOWER O'BUCHAN " No. 55346 "A/B & C & A/B 1868 - 1869

      These were all registered in Peterhead.

      He also sailed on these ships presumably out of Peterhead but they aren't
      Peterhead registered.
      JOHNS reg. Shields No. 33083 "A/B" 1863
      MORNING STAR reg London No. 37505 "A/B" 1865
      ISABELLA HAY reg. Sunderland No. 11751 "A/B" 1865
      ISABELLA ROBINSON reg. Sunderland No. 19392 "A/B" 1865
      GOLDEN GROVE reg. Shields No. 94176 "A/B" 1865
      SOHO reg. Banff No. 10429 "A/B" 1866
      ORISSA reg. Sunderland No. 13343 1866 -1867

      Regarding the William Murrison who drowned Hamburg on "Dart" , we thought
      this was our man but he was wrong age, this William was 51 years when
      drowned, our William was much younger.

      It is possible that the James, Alexander and William were all Uncles of our
      William, but as yet can't find a connection. William's father was George
      Murrison and he wasn't a seaman.

      Hopefully I can get a copy of the first "Rosebud" photo in the Peterhead
      Museum.

      Thanks in advance,
      Peter Campbell,
      New Zealand
    • colin collie
      Hi Pat & Peter Did you get the photos of the Rosebud, I have put them in attachments both Rosebud & Rosebud 2 incase you do not have them, I am a decendant of
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 27, 2006
        Hi Pat & Peter
        Did you get the photos of the Rosebud, I have put them in attachments both
        Rosebud & Rosebud 2
        incase you do not have them, I am a decendant of Captain John Collie and he
        was master of both at some time.
        All the best
        Colin

        >From: Pat & Peter Campbell <thepatch@...>
        >Reply-To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
        >To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: [Peterhead] Re: Rosebud etc.
        >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:40:12 +1300
        >
        >
        >
        >Hi Alex & Kevin,
        >
        >Thank you both for the information on the above.
        >
        >Captain William Murrison No. 89825, was granted C.O.C."Only Mate" on ship
        >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883 1/3/1869, and he was living in Peterhead. He got
        >married in 1872 in Aberdeen, and was still mate aboard "Rosebud" until
        >23/6/1873. From Lloyds Captains Register he became "Master" of the
        >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883, 29/9/1873 - 18/11/1873.
        >
        >His wife and son arrived in Melbourne, Australia in 1875 on the "St.
        >Osyth",
        >and not sure how William arrived there.
        >
        >He either sailed out on the "Rosebud" No. 58883, as this ship was in
        >Australian waters at this time, or sailed as Captain of "Lottery" Reg. No.
        >15824, Brigantine, 150 tons, Reg. London, which was lost without trace
        >between Mauritius and Melbourne in Feb 1878. This is the last listed ship
        >from Lloyds Captains Register for William.
        >
        >The owners of the "Rosebud" No. 58883 Schooner, 190 tons, in Melbourne,
        >Australia were Pigott & Tulloch.
        >
        >From the http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au I see there is a John Collie
        >Captain of "Rosebud" 341 tons from the Port of Colombo via Melbourne to
        >Sydney N.S.W. 24th Apr. 1878.
        >
        >Alex, I would be interested in any information you may have of the ships
        >which William sailed on as follows:-
        >ALERT reg Peterhead No. 19545 "Student" 1859 - 1860
        >POLAR STAR " No. 19568 " 1860
        >AGOSTINA " No. 19538 "O/D & A/B" 1861 & 1863
        >WINWARD " No. 27527 "O/D & A/B" 1862 & 1864
        >RESTLESS " No. 45129 " C & A/B" 1867
        >FLOWER O'BUCHAN " No. 55346 "A/B & C & A/B 1868 - 1869
        >
        >These were all registered in Peterhead.
        >
        >He also sailed on these ships presumably out of Peterhead but they aren't
        >Peterhead registered.
        >JOHNS reg. Shields No. 33083 "A/B" 1863
        >MORNING STAR reg London No. 37505 "A/B" 1865
        >ISABELLA HAY reg. Sunderland No. 11751 "A/B" 1865
        >ISABELLA ROBINSON reg. Sunderland No. 19392 "A/B" 1865
        >GOLDEN GROVE reg. Shields No. 94176 "A/B" 1865
        >SOHO reg. Banff No. 10429 "A/B" 1866
        >ORISSA reg. Sunderland No. 13343 1866 -1867
        >
        >Regarding the William Murrison who drowned Hamburg on "Dart" , we thought
        >this was our man but he was wrong age, this William was 51 years when
        >drowned, our William was much younger.
        >
        >It is possible that the James, Alexander and William were all Uncles of our
        >William, but as yet can't find a connection. William's father was George
        >Murrison and he wasn't a seaman.
        >
        >Hopefully I can get a copy of the first "Rosebud" photo in the Peterhead
        >Museum.
        >
        >Thanks in advance,
        >Peter Campbell,
        >New Zealand
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >



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      • colin collie
        Dear Pat & Peter, Find attached Rosebud 1869 202 Tons constructed by Carnagie & Matthew Peterhead Rosebud 2 1876 352 Tons
        Message 3 of 4 , May 27 1:38 PM
          Dear Pat & Peter,
          Find attached Rosebud 1869 202 Tons constructed by Carnagie & Matthew
          Peterhead
          Rosebud 2 1876 352 Tons " "
          " "
          Captain on both ships was Captain John Collie of Peterhead he was also part
          owner of Rosebud 2 that sunk off the coast of South Africaall the best
          Colin


          >From: Pat & Peter Campbell <thepatch@...>
          >Reply-To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
          >To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: [Peterhead] Re: Rosebud etc.
          >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:40:12 +1300
          >
          >
          >
          >Hi Alex & Kevin,
          >
          >Thank you both for the information on the above.
          >
          >Captain William Murrison No. 89825, was granted C.O.C."Only Mate" on ship
          >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883 1/3/1869, and he was living in Peterhead. He got
          >married in 1872 in Aberdeen, and was still mate aboard "Rosebud" until
          >23/6/1873. From Lloyds Captains Register he became "Master" of the
          >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883, 29/9/1873 - 18/11/1873.
          >
          >His wife and son arrived in Melbourne, Australia in 1875 on the "St.
          >Osyth",
          >and not sure how William arrived there.
          >
          >He either sailed out on the "Rosebud" No. 58883, as this ship was in
          >Australian waters at this time, or sailed as Captain of "Lottery" Reg. No.
          >15824, Brigantine, 150 tons, Reg. London, which was lost without trace
          >between Mauritius and Melbourne in Feb 1878. This is the last listed ship
          >from Lloyds Captains Register for William.
          >
          >The owners of the "Rosebud" No. 58883 Schooner, 190 tons, in Melbourne,
          >Australia were Pigott & Tulloch.
          >
          >From the http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au I see there is a John Collie
          >Captain of "Rosebud" 341 tons from the Port of Colombo via Melbourne to
          >Sydney N.S.W. 24th Apr. 1878.
          >
          >Alex, I would be interested in any information you may have of the ships
          >which William sailed on as follows:-
          >ALERT reg Peterhead No. 19545 "Student" 1859 - 1860
          >POLAR STAR " No. 19568 " 1860
          >AGOSTINA " No. 19538 "O/D & A/B" 1861 & 1863
          >WINWARD " No. 27527 "O/D & A/B" 1862 & 1864
          >RESTLESS " No. 45129 " C & A/B" 1867
          >FLOWER O'BUCHAN " No. 55346 "A/B & C & A/B 1868 - 1869
          >
          >These were all registered in Peterhead.
          >
          >He also sailed on these ships presumably out of Peterhead but they aren't
          >Peterhead registered.
          >JOHNS reg. Shields No. 33083 "A/B" 1863
          >MORNING STAR reg London No. 37505 "A/B" 1865
          >ISABELLA HAY reg. Sunderland No. 11751 "A/B" 1865
          >ISABELLA ROBINSON reg. Sunderland No. 19392 "A/B" 1865
          >GOLDEN GROVE reg. Shields No. 94176 "A/B" 1865
          >SOHO reg. Banff No. 10429 "A/B" 1866
          >ORISSA reg. Sunderland No. 13343 1866 -1867
          >
          >Regarding the William Murrison who drowned Hamburg on "Dart" , we thought
          >this was our man but he was wrong age, this William was 51 years when
          >drowned, our William was much younger.
          >
          >It is possible that the James, Alexander and William were all Uncles of our
          >William, but as yet can't find a connection. William's father was George
          >Murrison and he wasn't a seaman.
          >
          >Hopefully I can get a copy of the first "Rosebud" photo in the Peterhead
          >Museum.
          >
          >Thanks in advance,
          >Peter Campbell,
          >New Zealand
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >



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        • Steve Broekmann
          Hi Colin, It may be entirely coincidental but there are a number of MURISONs in Cape Town. I have the records for St Peter s Cemetery Cape Town and they show
          Message 4 of 4 , May 28 1:46 PM
            Hi Colin,

            It may be entirely coincidental but there are a number of MURISONs in Cape Town. I have the records for St Peter's Cemetery Cape Town and they show the following

            Alexander MURISON, Captain dd 27 Jan 1893 aged 81 years
            Jane MURISON b CRUIKSHANK dd 13 Jan 1873 aged 61, wife of the above

            Alexander MURISON dd 23 July 1892 Born Peterhead, Scotland, in his 49th year
            Eleanor Charlotte MURISON b COLYER, his wife, dd 7 June 1916

            There are also other MURISONS - James and Robin.

            I may be wrong, but my recollection is that one or more of the Alexanders acted as ship's agent for my ggrandfather William STEPHEN, also from Peterhead.

            Any connection, do you think?

            Stephen
            Cape Town


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: colin collie
            To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:38 PM
            Subject: RE: [Peterhead] Re: Rosebud etc.


            Dear Pat & Peter,
            Find attached Rosebud 1869 202 Tons constructed by Carnagie & Matthew
            Peterhead
            Rosebud 2 1876 352 Tons " "
            " "
            Captain on both ships was Captain John Collie of Peterhead he was also part
            owner of Rosebud 2 that sunk off the coast of South Africaall the best
            Colin


            >From: Pat & Peter Campbell <thepatch@...>
            >Reply-To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
            >To: Peterhead@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: [Peterhead] Re: Rosebud etc.
            >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:40:12 +1300
            >
            >
            >
            >Hi Alex & Kevin,
            >
            >Thank you both for the information on the above.
            >
            >Captain William Murrison No. 89825, was granted C.O.C."Only Mate" on ship
            >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883 1/3/1869, and he was living in Peterhead. He got
            >married in 1872 in Aberdeen, and was still mate aboard "Rosebud" until
            >23/6/1873. From Lloyds Captains Register he became "Master" of the
            >"Rosebud" Reg. No. 58883, 29/9/1873 - 18/11/1873.
            >
            >His wife and son arrived in Melbourne, Australia in 1875 on the "St.
            >Osyth",
            >and not sure how William arrived there.
            >
            >He either sailed out on the "Rosebud" No. 58883, as this ship was in
            >Australian waters at this time, or sailed as Captain of "Lottery" Reg. No.
            >15824, Brigantine, 150 tons, Reg. London, which was lost without trace
            >between Mauritius and Melbourne in Feb 1878. This is the last listed ship
            >from Lloyds Captains Register for William.
            >
            >The owners of the "Rosebud" No. 58883 Schooner, 190 tons, in Melbourne,
            >Australia were Pigott & Tulloch.
            >
            >From the http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au I see there is a John Collie
            >Captain of "Rosebud" 341 tons from the Port of Colombo via Melbourne to
            >Sydney N.S.W. 24th Apr. 1878.
            >
            >Alex, I would be interested in any information you may have of the ships
            >which William sailed on as follows:-
            >ALERT reg Peterhead No. 19545 "Student" 1859 - 1860
            >POLAR STAR " No. 19568 " 1860
            >AGOSTINA " No. 19538 "O/D & A/B" 1861 & 1863
            >WINWARD " No. 27527 "O/D & A/B" 1862 & 1864
            >RESTLESS " No. 45129 " C & A/B" 1867
            >FLOWER O'BUCHAN " No. 55346 "A/B & C & A/B 1868 - 1869
            >
            >These were all registered in Peterhead.
            >
            >He also sailed on these ships presumably out of Peterhead but they aren't
            >Peterhead registered.
            >JOHNS reg. Shields No. 33083 "A/B" 1863
            >MORNING STAR reg London No. 37505 "A/B" 1865
            >ISABELLA HAY reg. Sunderland No. 11751 "A/B" 1865
            >ISABELLA ROBINSON reg. Sunderland No. 19392 "A/B" 1865
            >GOLDEN GROVE reg. Shields No. 94176 "A/B" 1865
            >SOHO reg. Banff No. 10429 "A/B" 1866
            >ORISSA reg. Sunderland No. 13343 1866 -1867
            >
            >Regarding the William Murrison who drowned Hamburg on "Dart" , we thought
            >this was our man but he was wrong age, this William was 51 years when
            >drowned, our William was much younger.
            >
            >It is possible that the James, Alexander and William were all Uncles of our
            >William, but as yet can't find a connection. William's father was George
            >Murrison and he wasn't a seaman.
            >
            >Hopefully I can get a copy of the first "Rosebud" photo in the Peterhead
            >Museum.
            >
            >Thanks in advance,
            >Peter Campbell,
            >New Zealand
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >



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