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  • Linda Adam
    Would there be a list member familiar with information received from OPR Births and Baptisms and Marriage Extracts? I had ordered and received extracts and was
    Message 1 of 5 , Oct 16, 2000
      Would there be a list member familiar with information received from
      OPR Births and Baptisms and Marriage Extracts?
      I had ordered and received extracts and was a bit disapointed that
      both parents were not named on either the Baptism or Marriage record.

      The marriage extract showed the date of marriage (April 06 1843),
      grooms name (Alexander Birnie)and occupation (Cooper) and name of
      spouse (Elizabeth McKisseck).

      The Baptism for the above Alexander gave me the following:
      Birnie , Alexander , 1815 - April 22nd - Alexander Birnie, Wright, in
      Peterhead had a son born - baptised and named Alexander, before
      William Abernethy and William Birnie.

      Is their a possibility that more information can be located from an
      actual certificate or is this the best I can hope for?

      Can someone tell me what the occupation "wright" would be and also
      what relationships witnesses at a baptism would be to the child?
      Uncles/Grandparents or just friends?

      I am still at the brick wall for ancestors of Alexander Birnie and
      Elizabeth McKisseck! Too many Alexander Birnie's!

      Any help would be greatly appreciated.
      Linda Adam (Ontario)
    • Alex Ritchie
      For Linda Adam Hi Linda, I m afraid that that is probably the only information on the OPRs. OPRs are notorious for varying widely from Parish to Parish and it
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 16, 2000
        For Linda Adam

        Hi Linda,
        I'm afraid that that is probably the only information on the OPRs. OPRs are notorious for varying widely from Parish to Parish and it depended upon the local Minister as to what information he recorded. I know it can be extremely disappointing at times. I have seen extracts from South Leith Parish which gave quite a lot of marriage detail (e.g. the addresses of the bride & groom and the groom's occupation) but, in my experience, this is the exception rather than the rule.
        You won't really get any more information by looking at the original OPR.

        A "wright" would be a tradesman (like a joiner). Wrights usually specialised to some extend. For example a Cart wright,
        a Wheel wright, a Ship wright, an Ark wright (chest maker).

        Witnesses at Baptism could be any of the folks you mention. Sometimes Grandparents, Parents, Relatives or friends. I would say usually a relative though.

        I have some Birnie information (Sea-farers). Probably not the line you are researching, but it might help you to eliminate some from your enquiries. Let me know.

        Best Regards


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      • Nicholas J. Moir
        Hi Linda, I agree totally with Alex Ritchie, regarding records prior to 1855. Your best hope, would be to try and trace the death of Elizabeth McKisseck,
        Message 3 of 5 , Oct 17, 2000
          Hi Linda,

          I agree totally with Alex Ritchie, regarding records prior to 1855.

          Your best hope, would be to try and trace the death of Elizabeth McKisseck,
          bearing in mind that she died prior to her sons marriage in 1878, but probably after 1855. This should give the details of her parents. Her husband Alexander was still alive at the time of their sons marriage in 1878 so his death certificate should be available. These certificates will give some useful information.


          Take care



          Nick Moir

          Aberdeenshire & Angus Ancestors

          nimo@...



          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Linda Adam" <taadam@...>
          To: <Peterhead@egroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:00 PM
          Subject: [Peterhead] OPR Extracts


          > Would there be a list member familiar with information received from
          > OPR Births and Baptisms and Marriage Extracts?
          > I had ordered and received extracts and was a bit disapointed that
          > both parents were not named on either the Baptism or Marriage record.
          >
          > The marriage extract showed the date of marriage (April 06 1843),
          > grooms name (Alexander Birnie)and occupation (Cooper) and name of
          > spouse (Elizabeth McKisseck).
          >
          > The Baptism for the above Alexander gave me the following:
          > Birnie , Alexander , 1815 - April 22nd - Alexander Birnie, Wright, in
          > Peterhead had a son born - baptised and named Alexander, before
          > William Abernethy and William Birnie.
          >
          > Is their a possibility that more information can be located from an
          > actual certificate or is this the best I can hope for?
          >
          > Can someone tell me what the occupation "wright" would be and also
          > what relationships witnesses at a baptism would be to the child?
          > Uncles/Grandparents or just friends?
          >
          > I am still at the brick wall for ancestors of Alexander Birnie and
          > Elizabeth McKisseck! Too many Alexander Birnie's!
          >
          > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
          > Linda Adam (Ontario)



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        • Linda Adam
          Dear Alex and Nick, A huge thanks to both of you for the lesson on what to expect from the OPR s and suggestions you have provided. I do have complete details
          Message 4 of 5 , Oct 18, 2000
            Dear Alex and Nick,

            A huge thanks to both of you for the lesson on what to expect from the
            OPR's and suggestions you have provided.

            I do have complete details for the death of Elizabeth
            McKisseck/McKessock 21.02.1862, Peterhead and names of her parents
            {James McKessock (Shipmaster) b. ? d. ? and Janet Willox b. Rathen
            abt. 1798 d. after death of daughter Elizabeth (McKisseck)
            Birnie,1862}.

            My next step is to locate the date of Alexander Birnie's death and
            request his death certificate. He was on the 1881 Peterhead Census so I
            do have a bit of a time frame to go on. Hopefully the death certificate
            will provide his parents names and place of birth.

            Regards,
            Linda Adam



            "Nicholas J. Moir" wrote:

            > Hi Linda,
            >
            > I agree totally with Alex Ritchie, regarding records prior to 1855.
            >
            > Your best hope, would be to try and trace the death of Elizabeth
            > McKisseck,
            > bearing in mind that she died prior to her sons marriage in 1878, but
            > probably after 1855. This should give the details of her parents. Her
            > husband Alexander was still alive at the time of their sons marriage
            > in 1878 so his death certificate should be available. These
            > certificates will give some useful information.
            >
            >
            > Take care
            >
            >
            >
            > Nick Moir
            >
            > Aberdeenshire & Angus Ancestors
            >
            > nimo@...
            >
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Linda Adam" <taadam@...>
            > To: <Peterhead@egroups.com>
            > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:00 PM
            > Subject: [Peterhead] OPR Extracts
            >
            >
            > > Would there be a list member familiar with information received from
            >
            > > OPR Births and Baptisms and Marriage Extracts?
            > > I had ordered and received extracts and was a bit disapointed that
            > > both parents were not named on either the Baptism or Marriage
            > record.
            > >
            > > The marriage extract showed the date of marriage (April 06 1843),
            > > grooms name (Alexander Birnie)and occupation (Cooper) and name of
            > > spouse (Elizabeth McKisseck).
            > >
            > > The Baptism for the above Alexander gave me the following:
            > > Birnie , Alexander , 1815 - April 22nd - Alexander Birnie, Wright,
            > in
            > > Peterhead had a son born - baptised and named Alexander, before
            > > William Abernethy and William Birnie.
            > >
            > > Is their a possibility that more information can be located from an
            > > actual certificate or is this the best I can hope for?
            > >
            > > Can someone tell me what the occupation "wright" would be and also
            > > what relationships witnesses at a baptism would be to the child?
            > > Uncles/Grandparents or just friends?
            > >
            > > I am still at the brick wall for ancestors of Alexander Birnie and
            > > Elizabeth McKisseck! Too many Alexander Birnie's!
            > >
            > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
            > > Linda Adam (Ontario)
            >
            >
            >
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            >
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          • Linda Adam
            for Alex Ritchie Hello Alex, I have been meaning to ask you for the Birnie information that you have. Any help at all is greatly appreciated. My mom has given
            Message 5 of 5 , Oct 19, 2000
              for Alex Ritchie

              Hello Alex,

              I have been meaning to ask you for the Birnie information that you
              have. Any help at all is greatly appreciated.

              My mom has given me a poor photo of the "Birnie Memorial Bridge". It
              was presented to the town of Peterhead in 1824 by Alexander Birnie
              Esq. in memory of his father George Birnie who was Harbour Master of
              Peterhead for many years. Both George and Alexander are apparently
              ancestors but I'm not just too sure where they fit in to the family.
              Another puzzle!

              With thanks,
              Linda Adam

              --- In Peterhead@egroups.com, "Alex Ritchie" <alex@r...> wrote:
              > For Linda Adam
              >
              > Hi Linda,
              > I'm afraid that that is probably the only
              information on the OPRs. OPRs are notorious for varying widely from
              Parish to Parish and it depended upon the local Minister as to what
              information he recorded. I know it can be extremely disappointing at
              times. I have seen extracts from South Leith Parish which gave quite
              a
              lot of marriage detail (e.g. the addresses of the bride & groom and
              the groom's occupation) but, in my experience, this is the exception
              rather than the rule.
              > You won't really get any more information by
              looking
              at the original OPR.
              >
              > A "wright" would be a tradesman (like a joiner).
              Wrights usually specialised to some extend. For example a Cart wright,
              > a Wheel wright, a Ship wright, an Ark wright (chest maker).
              >
              > Witnesses at Baptism could be any of the folks you
              mention. Sometimes Grandparents, Parents, Relatives or friends. I
              would say usually a relative though.
              >
              > I have some Birnie information (Sea-farers).
              Probably not the line you are researching, but it might help you to
              eliminate some from your enquiries. Let me know.
              >
              > Best Regards
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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