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  • Katherine Barich
    ... rosaries or paternosters I ve seen, ... larger ... beads ... the giant ... Sorry for the delay in response, but I have been looking for some
    Message 1 of 20 , Aug 13, 2003
      --- In Paternosters@yahoogroups.com, Chris Laning <claning@i...>
      wrote:
      > At 6:48 PM -0800 3/18/03,> Ordinary beads from the surviving
      rosaries or paternosters I've seen,
      > most of which are post-1400, seem to range from about 6mm to maybe
      > 10mm in size. Exceptions in actual surviving beads include the
      larger
      > wooden beads in some of the men's "tenners" (strands of 10 beads),
      > which are sometimes carved or have little scenes inside. Later
      beads
      > of metal filigree can also be fairly large, but those don't become
      > really popular till the 18th century and later. And I am still
      > waiting to see an actual example of surviving beads from
      the "giant"
      > rosaries in the German pictures.

      Sorry for the delay in response, but I have been looking for some
      documentation on 16th century extant 'Saxon collars' (no luck) and
      have found a photograph of a Rosenkränz believed to be of the 15th
      century. It is photographed in the 1904 book: "Geschichte des Gold-
      & Silberschmuckes nach Originalen der Strassburger historischen
      Schmuck-Ausstellung von 1904" (History of gold and silver jewelery
      from orginals in the Strassburg historical jewelry display of
      1904) . The beads are fairly large with a really big filigree bead
      that has engraved around its middle IHS - MARIA - HILF - UNS - AUS -
      NOT - UN - END and is identified as being Bavarian. The large bead
      looks as if it could be one of those giant beads. Please let me
      know if you would like me to scan this and put it on the files page.

      Katherine



      >
    • Winterhaven
      ... 10mm?! My goodness! Large beads, indeed. If I make a replica, however, I have some beautiful large hand made ones I can use. ... Yes! Those were amazing.
      Message 2 of 20 , Aug 14, 2003
        At 04:00 AM 8/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:
        >--- In Paternosters@yahoogroups.com, Chris Laning <claning@i...>
        >wrote:
        > > At 6:48 PM -0800 3/18/03,
        > > Ordinary beads from the surviving rosaries or paternosters I've seen,
        > > most of which are post-1400, seem to range from about 6mm to maybe
        > > 10mm in size.

        10mm?! My goodness! Large beads, indeed. If I make a replica, however, I
        have some beautiful large hand made ones I can use.

        > >Exceptions in actual surviving beads include the larger
        > > wooden beads in some of the men's "tenners" (strands of 10 beads),
        > > which are sometimes carved or have little scenes inside. Later beads
        > > of metal filigree can also be fairly large, but those don't become
        > > really popular till the 18th century and later. And I am still
        > > waiting to see an actual example of surviving beads from the "giant"
        > > rosaries in the German pictures.

        Yes! Those were amazing.

        >Sorry for the delay in response, but I have been looking for some
        >documentation on 16th century extant 'Saxon collars' (no luck) and
        >have found a photograph of a Rosenkränz believed to be of the 15th
        >century.

        Saxon Collars? Worn, no doubt like necklaces, I'd gather.

        > It is photographed in the 1904 book: "Geschichte des Gold-
        >& Silberschmuckes nach Originalen der Strassburger historischen
        >Schmuck-Ausstellung von 1904" (History of gold and silver jewelery
        >from orginals in the Strassburg historical jewelry display of
        >1904) . The beads are fairly large with a really big filigree bead
        >that has engraved around its middle IHS - MARIA - HILF - UNS - AUS -
        >NOT - UN - END and is identified as being Bavarian.

        To have all that written on it, it must be gigantic! :)

        > The large bead
        >looks as if it could be one of those giant beads. Please let me
        >know if you would like me to scan this and put it on the files page.
        >
        >Katherine

        I would very much enjoy seeing it. By the way, I would love to know if
        anyone here knows of a source of replica "Credo crosses" for creating old
        rosaries. I notice that the C.C.'s were equal armed crosses and I have done
        searches on bead sites and found zip. Any resources? I would love to have a
        rosary with a credo cross.

        Sylvia
      • J Hill
        Sylvia: If you find any Credo Crosses, please let me know, too. Meanwhile, I m still trying very hard to document proto-rosaries in the yr 1000-1066,
        Message 3 of 20 , Aug 14, 2003
          Sylvia: If you find any Credo Crosses, please let me know, too.
          Meanwhile, I'm still trying very hard to document proto-rosaries in the yr
          1000-1066, Anglo-Saxon England.
          I am assuming that paternosters rather than rosaries were in use, but we've
          found nothing in the archaeology... nor have I seen anything on the Bayeux
          Tapestry.
          HELP! Jennifer

          Jennifer Hill
          Ælfgifu
          Wes ðu hal.
          Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda
          woruld. Amen.
          [Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world
          without end, Amen.]
        • Winterhaven
          I just had a *scathingly brilliant* idea! When I checked it out, I found it to be perfect! I ve been going at it the wrong way. Trying to find an equal armed
          Message 4 of 20 , Aug 14, 2003
            I just had a *scathingly brilliant* idea! When I checked it out, I found
            it to be perfect!

            I've been going at it the wrong way. Trying to find an equal armed filigree
            cross that would fit on a square which attached to the rosary at the
            corners... When the idea seized me, I went onto Google and simply put in
            "filigree square" and up popped several bead sites that sold jewelry
            findings, including lovely filigree squares with corners that will accept
            bead wire! If I wanted to make a reliquary style Credo Cross, all I would
            have to do is to take ceramic beads or perhaps a hand made Fimo or clay X
            cross, and wire it onto the convex side of a filigree square. Then I would
            wire the opposite square onto the first, hiding the wires that hold the
            cross onto the piece! Run the rosary wires through the corners at top and
            bottom of the X cross and attach to rosary! "Puffy" filigree crosses can
            be made by ordering regular filigree crosses, two at a time, and wiring
            them back to back. Insert a filigree square between the halves for the
            nimbus effect. Onw could indeed layer filigree findings to get the effects
            of ornate crucifixes and credo crosses. Sadly I can't get onto the project
            immediately (though I'm panting to1) but I have to keep packing for a move
            and if I ordered anything, it might be delivered after I'd gone to the new
            place!

            Anyone who wants to experiment with this, let us all know how it turns out!
            I'm eager!

            Sylvia


            At 11:52 AM 8/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
            >Sylvia: If you find any Credo Crosses, please let me know, too.
            >Meanwhile, I'm still trying very hard to document proto-rosaries in the yr
            >1000-1066, Anglo-Saxon England.
            >I am assuming that paternosters rather than rosaries were in use, but we've
            >found nothing in the archaeology... nor have I seen anything on the Bayeux
            >Tapestry.
            >HELP! Jennifer
            >
            >Jennifer Hill
            >Ælfgifu
            >Wes ðu hal.
            >Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda
            >woruld. Amen.
            >[Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world
            >without end, Amen.]
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          • Katherine Barich
            Okay, I have posted a scan from the book Geschichte des Gold und Silberschmuckes nach Originales der Strassburger historischen Austellung von 1904 by Dr.
            Message 5 of 20 , Aug 14, 2003
              Okay, I have posted a scan from the book "Geschichte des Gold und
              Silberschmuckes nach Originales der Strassburger historischen
              Austellung von 1904" by Dr. Robert Forrer. (page 22)

              I thought I would translate the text accompanying the photo for
              those who do not read German.

              125. Crucifixion group with an amber bead, on a glass bead chain. -
              126. Silvr medallion with Mark's lion and a mother of pearl
              relief of Saint Peter, and a chaing with silver acorns. - 127. Capsule
              with open work filigree gothic ornamentation, with the inscription
              IHS . MARIA - HILF - VNS - AUS - NOT - ON - END 1). From Bavaria. -
              28. Saint Christopher with blue glass beads and acorns. 125 - 128.
              Collection of Dr. Forrer.

              Footnote 1) ON END = UND ELEND

              I think the inscription means roughly: IHS . Maria . help . us . in .
              wants/needs/necessity and misery/distress. The words not and elend have
              somewhat broad meanings, and I am not sure of what their exact connotation
              in a prayful context would be.

              Unfortunately the text does not further provide any further details on
              size of the beads, but I really like the acorns.

              Katherine




              ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
              From: Winterhaven <labrat@...>
              Reply-To: Paternosters@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:27:44 -0700

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              >At 04:00 AM 8/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
              >>--- In Paternosters@yahoogroups.com, Chris Laning <claning@i...><BR>
              >>wrote:<BR>
              >> > At 6:48 PM -0800 3/18/03,<BR>
              >> > Ordinary beads from the surviving  rosaries or paternosters I've seen,<BR>
              >> > most of which are post-1400, seem to range from about 6mm to maybe<BR>
              >> > 10mm in size.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >10mm?! My goodness! Large beads, indeed. If I make a replica, however, I <BR>
              >have some beautiful large hand made ones I can use.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >> >Exceptions in actual surviving beads include the larger<BR>
              >> > wooden beads in some of the men's "tenners" (strands of 10 beads),<BR>
              >> > which are sometimes carved or have little scenes inside. Later beads<BR>
              >> > of metal filigree can also be fairly large, but those don't become<BR>
              >> > really popular till the 18th century and later.  And I am still<BR>
              >> > waiting to see an actual example of surviving beads from the "giant"<BR>
              >> > rosaries in the German pictures.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >Yes! Those were amazing.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >>Sorry for the delay in response, but I have been looking for some<BR>
              >>documentation on 16th century extant 'Saxon collars' (no luck) and<BR>
              >>have found a photograph of a Rosenkränz believed to be of the 15th<BR>
              >>century.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >Saxon Collars? Worn, no doubt like necklaces, I'd gather.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >>  It is photographed in the 1904 book:  "Geschichte des Gold-<BR>
              >>& Silberschmuckes nach Originalen der Strassburger historischen<BR>
              >>Schmuck-Ausstellung von 1904" (History of gold and silver jewelery<BR>
              >>from orginals in the Strassburg historical jewelry display of<BR>
              >>1904) .  The beads are fairly large with a really big filigree bead<BR>
              >>that has engraved around its middle IHS - MARIA - HILF - UNS - AUS -<BR>
              >>NOT - UN - END and is identified as being Bavarian.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >To have all that written on it, it must be gigantic! :)<BR>
              ><BR>
              >>  The large bead<BR>
              >>looks as if it could be one of those giant beads.  Please let me<BR>
              >>know if you would like me to scan this and put it on the files page.<BR>
              >><BR>
              >>Katherine<BR>
              ><BR>
              >I would very much enjoy seeing it.  By the way, I would love to know if <BR>
              >anyone here knows of a source of replica "Credo crosses" for creating old <BR>
              >rosaries. I notice that the C.C.'s were equal armed crosses and I have done <BR>
              >searches on bead sites and found zip. Any resources? I would love to have a <BR>
              >rosary with a credo cross.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >Sylvia <BR>
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            • J Hill
              HOLD THAT THOUGHT~! Get thee settled & immediately begin. Jennifer the Fimo challenged ... From: Winterhaven To:
              Message 6 of 20 , Aug 14, 2003
                HOLD THAT THOUGHT~! Get thee settled & immediately begin. <G> Jennifer the
                Fimo challenged
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Winterhaven" <labrat@...>
                To: <Paternosters@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:37 PM
                Subject: [Paternosters] Credo crosses! An Idea!


                I just had a *scathingly brilliant* idea! When I checked it out, I found
                it to be perfect!

                I've been going at it the wrong way. Trying to find an equal armed filigree
                cross that would fit on a square which attached to the rosary at the
                corners... When the idea seized me, I went onto Google and simply put in
                "filigree square" and up popped several bead sites that sold jewelry
                findings, including lovely filigree squares with corners that will accept
                bead wire! If I wanted to make a reliquary style Credo Cross, all I would
                have to do is to take ceramic beads or perhaps a hand made Fimo or clay X
                cross, and wire it onto the convex side of a filigree square. Then I would
                wire the opposite square onto the first, hiding the wires that hold the
                cross onto the piece! Run the rosary wires through the corners at top and
                bottom of the X cross and attach to rosary! "Puffy" filigree crosses can
                be made by ordering regular filigree crosses, two at a time, and wiring
                them back to back. Insert a filigree square between the halves for the
                nimbus effect. Onw could indeed layer filigree findings to get the effects
                of ornate crucifixes and credo crosses. Sadly I can't get onto the project
                immediately (though I'm panting to1) but I have to keep packing for a move
                and if I ordered anything, it might be delivered after I'd gone to the new
                place!

                Anyone who wants to experiment with this, let us all know how it turns out!
                I'm eager!

                Sylvia


                At 11:52 AM 8/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
                >Sylvia: If you find any Credo Crosses, please let me know, too.
                >Meanwhile, I'm still trying very hard to document proto-rosaries in the yr
                >1000-1066, Anglo-Saxon England.
                >I am assuming that paternosters rather than rosaries were in use, but we've
                >found nothing in the archaeology... nor have I seen anything on the Bayeux
                >Tapestry.
                >HELP! Jennifer
                >
                >Jennifer Hill
                >Ælfgifu
                >Wes ðu hal.
                >Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, Þe leofað and rixað a on worulda
                >woruld. Amen.
                >[Glory be to our Lord Saviour Christ, who lives and reigns for ever, world
                >without end, Amen.]
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              • Katherine Barich
                ... Only 15th Century , but I think it looks like the 16th century portraits. The dating on some of the other displays does seem rather loose when it is
                Message 7 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                  ><BR>
                  >(I haven't looked at the picture yet -- does this rosary have a date?)<BR>

                  Only "15th Century", but I think it looks like the 16th century portraits.
                  The dating on some of the other displays does seem rather loose when
                  it is present.

                  I wonder what became of the collection of Dr. Forrer. It seems pretty
                  extensive.

                  Katherine
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                • Chris Laning
                  ... Our last hour perhaps? As in the modern Pray for us now and at the hour of our death? (I haven t looked at the picture yet -- does this rosary have a
                  Message 8 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                    Katherine wrote:
                    >I think the inscription means roughly: IHS . Maria . help .
                    >us . in . wants/needs/necessity and misery/distress. The words
                    >not and elend have somewhat broad meanings, and I am not sure
                    >of what their exact connotation in a prayful context would be.

                    "Our last hour" perhaps? As in the modern "Pray for us now and at the hour of our death?"

                    (I haven't looked at the picture yet -- does this rosary have a date?)


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                  • Chris Laning
                    Thanks so much for these photos, Katherine! More data is always a Good Thing (tm)! By the way, if anyone ever finds photos or information about rosaries made
                    Message 9 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                      Thanks so much for these photos, Katherine! More data is always a Good Thing (tm)!

                      By the way, if anyone ever finds photos or information about rosaries made of DISKS or RINGS rather than beads, please let me know. I don't mean references to "rosary rings" but rather to rosaries using ring- or disk-shaped counters. There's a photo of one in our FILES section at:
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters/files/CdH/images/ringcounters.jpg

                      One of my books has photos of this one and references to at least one more, and I'm looking at preparing a paper on how they are made. I think I have a plausible reconstruction, and I'm working on getting my own website up and running so I can post some information. I'll let everyone know when it's up.

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                    • Elizabeth Schechter
                      In her will, Lady Godiva left the string of beads on which she said her prayers to the monastery that she founded. And a cousin of Charlemagne (Gisella?)
                      Message 10 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                        In her will, Lady Godiva left "the string of beads on which she said her
                        prayers" to the monastery that she founded. And a cousin of Charlemagne
                        (Gisella?) was buried with a string of beads wrapped in her hands. No
                        idea of how many beads were on either cord.

                        J Hill wrote:

                        > Sylvia: If you find any Credo Crosses, please let me know, too.
                        > Meanwhile, I'm still trying very hard to document proto-rosaries in
                        > the yr
                        > 1000-1066, Anglo-Saxon England.
                        > I am assuming that paternosters rather than rosaries were in use, but
                        > we've
                        > found nothing in the archaeology... nor have I seen anything on the
                        > Bayeux
                        > Tapestry.
                        > HELP! Jennifer
                        >
                        > Jennifer Hill
                        > Ælfgifu
                        > Wes ?u hal.
                        > Wuldor sy urum Drihtne HÆlendum Criste, ?e leofa? and rixa? a on
                        > worulda
                        > woruld. Amen.
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                      • Elizabeth Schechter
                        I think that there is a picture of a rosary of this type in The History of Beads (The unabridged version). Is that the book that you are using? ...
                        Message 11 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                          I think that there is a picture of a rosary of this type in The History
                          of Beads (The unabridged version). Is that the book that you are using?

                          Chris Laning wrote:

                          > Thanks so much for these photos, Katherine! More data is always a
                          > Good Thing (tm)!
                          >
                          > By the way, if anyone ever finds photos or information about rosaries
                          > made of DISKS or RINGS rather than beads, please let me know. I don't
                          > mean references to "rosary rings" but rather to rosaries using ring-
                          > or disk-shaped counters. There's a photo of one in our FILES section
                          > at:
                          >
                          > ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters/files/CdH/images/ringcounters.jpg
                          >
                          > One of my books has photos of this one and references to at least one
                          > more, and I'm looking at preparing a paper on how they are made. I
                          > think I have a plausible reconstruction, and I'm working on getting my
                          > own website up and running so I can post some information. I'll let
                          > everyone know when it's up.
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                        • Winterhaven
                          Sometimes I just grep around the web looking for weird or neat stuff. Musing whimsically, I entered the search term Electronic Rosary and digital Rosary ...
                          Message 12 of 20 , Aug 15, 2003
                            Sometimes I just grep around the web looking for weird or neat stuff.
                            Musing whimsically, I entered the search term "Electronic Rosary" and
                            "digital Rosary"... And got the Vista Rosary, an electronic box with bead
                            buttons that you touch for each prayer. This handy little device will keep
                            track of your prayers and tell you which bead to pray next! Each
                            bead-button lights in sequence, the five Pater buttons on the left tell you
                            which decade you are on, the ten buttons at the right electronically
                            indicate each Hail Mary. The unit turns itself off after 90 seconds of
                            inactivity and when you restart it, the bead buttons light to tell you
                            where you left off.

                            There's also a Rosary program for the Palm Pilot. In the US Patent Office
                            there is a patent for the "digital Rosary" which is a plastic box shaped
                            like a knobbed rosary ring with cross at the top and ten buttons around the
                            rim. It features a chain so you can wear it like a pendant. I'd imagine
                            that a person could wear that like a "Spiritual Life Alert" medallion.
                            "Lord, I'm fallen and I can't get up!"

                            Heeheeheeheehee!

                            We've come a long way from pebbles in a leather bag. :)

                            Sylvia
                          • Chris Laning
                            ... Sort of. There s a picture of one in Eithne Wilkins _The Rose-Garden Game_ which was the source for the material in the History of Beads book (as you ll
                            Message 13 of 20 , Aug 16, 2003
                              At 8:47 PM -0400 8/15/03, Elizabeth Schechter wrote:
                              >I think that there is a picture of a rosary of this type in The History
                              >of Beads (The unabridged version). Is that the book that you are using?
                              >
                              >Chris Laning wrote:
                              >
                              >> Thanks so much for these photos, Katherine! More data is always a
                              >> Good Thing (tm)!
                              >>
                              >> By the way, if anyone ever finds photos or information about rosaries
                              >> made of DISKS or RINGS rather than beads, please let me know. I don't
                              >> mean references to "rosary rings" but rather to rosaries using ring-
                              >> or disk-shaped counters. There's a photo of one in our FILES section
                              >> at:
                              >>
                              > > ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters/files/CdH/images/ringcounters.jpg
                              >>
                              >> One of my books has photos of this one and references to at least one
                              >> more, and I'm looking at preparing a paper on how they are made. I
                              >> think I have a plausible reconstruction, and I'm working on getting my
                              >> own website up and running so I can post some information. I'll let
                              > > everyone know when it's up.

                              Sort of. There's a picture of one in Eithne Wilkins' _The Rose-Garden
                              Game_ which was the source for the material in the "History of Beads"
                              book (as you'll see in their bibliography). I don't consider Wilkins
                              a particularly good source, but you can't argue with photos <g>!

                              Actually though, I was thinking of the photo in _500 Jahre
                              Rosenkranz_ which is of a different set than the one in Wilkins.
                              There's one other set mentioned in _500 Jahre_ which isn't
                              illustrated -- I keep meaning to go looking at
                              http://www.bildindex.de to see if i can find a picture. There's also
                              one in an Italian painting from the mid 1400s which is in the
                              National Gallery in the UK, though you can't see the prayer-counter
                              in their very small online repro of the picture. I think my copy of
                              the photo is at
                              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters/files/CdH/images/St-Jerome-detail.jpg

                              That's all I've come up with so far, and would welcome more examples
                              if anyone finds them. Thanks!
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                            • Katherine Barich
                              ... Do you know what museum/locale? Katherine
                              Message 14 of 20 , Aug 16, 2003
                                >Actually though, I was thinking of the photo in _500 Jahre <BR>
                                >Rosenkranz_ which is of a different set than the one in Wilkins. <BR>
                                >There's one other set mentioned in _500 Jahre_ which isn't <BR>
                                >illustrated -- I keep meaning to go looking at <BR>
                                ><a href="http://www.bildindex.de">http://www.bildindex.de</a>

                                Do you know what museum/locale?

                                Katherine
                              • FV/Rafaella
                                Greetings all. I m tired of my repro s being done on white silk when I know other colors were used. The rec colored cotton cord I bought from Robin&Russ broke
                                Message 15 of 20 , Aug 18, 2003
                                  Greetings all.

                                  I'm tired of my repro's being done on white silk when
                                  I know other colors were used. The rec colored cotton
                                  cord I bought from Robin&Russ broke just looking at it
                                  (grrrr).

                                  Does anyone have experience of dyeing silk thread? (as
                                  opposed to fabric which I have done).

                                  Using RIT or silk paints or vegetable dyestuffs, I
                                  don't care. How do I get the color to be uniform
                                  throughtout the hank?

                                  Thanks in advance,
                                  Friday/Rafaella

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                                • J Hill
                                  I would use an acid dye, given the nature of silk. It should take colour very well & without any hassle at all. Go here: http://www.dharmatrading.com/ They
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Aug 18, 2003
                                    I would use an acid dye, given the nature of silk.
                                    It should take colour very well & without any hassle at all.
                                    Go here: http://www.dharmatrading.com/
                                    They have good info & are very helpful. NAYY
                                    Just be sure that the silk is WET before you put it in the dyepot. You may
                                    decide to use the acid [generally vinegar] prior to putting the silk into
                                    the dye pot. Yrs, Ælfgifu
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "FV/Rafaella" <rafaella13@...>
                                    To: <Paternosters@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:35 PM
                                    Subject: [Paternosters] dyeing cords


                                    > Greetings all.
                                    >
                                    > I'm tired of my repro's being done on white silk when
                                    > I know other colors were used. The rec colored cotton
                                    > cord I bought from Robin&Russ broke just looking at it
                                    > (grrrr).
                                    >
                                    > Does anyone have experience of dyeing silk thread? (as
                                    > opposed to fabric which I have done).
                                    >
                                    > Using RIT or silk paints or vegetable dyestuffs, I
                                    > don't care. How do I get the color to be uniform
                                    > throughtout the hank?
                                    >
                                    > Thanks in advance,
                                    > Friday/Rafaella
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