Re: Photos posted, March 8th class
- At 10:23 PM +0000 1/31/03, James Aldrich <jaldrich1@...> wrote:
>I have posted three photos of rosaries I made for use in re-Ooooo, very nice! They show the fact that they have really been used
>enactment and historical interpretation.
and worn, too, and not put in a glass case somewhere <g>. I'm afraid
mine mostly have that glass-case look to them, though I _do_ wear
them, just not very often. Maybe I should carry one of them around in
a pocket every day....
I should note here that I'm going to be teaching my "historical
rosaries" class at an SCA event (Collegium Caidis) in Southern
California on Saturday, March 8th. I just ordered all the kit
materials online that I didn't already have -- students will have
their choice of making a 10-bead or a 50- or 55-bead
paternoster/rosary for a price under $10 (haven't calculated exact
costs yet). I don't recall offhand if anyone on the list is in that
area, but if so, I'd love to meet you!
Needless to say, I'm working on getting some of my "I have all the
stuff, but it's sitting in a plastic bag in my unfinished-projects
box" rosaries done so I can show them off in class!
O Chris Laning
+ Davis, California
- Just came across this bead shop which sells lots of
nice things including (highly unethical) coral beads.
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- Curious. Why is coral highly unethical? Every bead shop and bead vendor
I know sells coral.
Ruth Singer wrote:
> Just came across this bead shop which sells lots of
> nice things including (highly unethical) coral beads.
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- At 11:18 AM -0400 5/27/03, Elizabeth Schechter wrote:
>Curious. Why is coral highly unethical? Every bead shop and bead vendorThe issue is probably that in general, corals worldwide are in pretty
>I know sells coral.
steep decline due to boat and diver damage, water pollution,
over-harvesting, bad fishing practices et cetera. What's especially
worrisome is that sometimes they are _also_ visibly declining in
areas where none of the obvious things seem to be wrong, as well. So
I have heard some comments from people who won't use anything made of
any kind of coral. I don't know what the facts of the situation are,
so I can't be any more specific about them.
It is also true that the gem-quality black and red corals of the
Mediterranean were already being badly over-harvested in the Italian
Renaissance, and to the extent that they're still around, they
probably still are. They have always been pretty expensive and hard
to get -- I'm told that gifts of a single coral bead (rather than a
whole string of them) are fairly commonly recorded in Renaissance
documents, implying that's all the donor could afford.
My impression is that much of the "red" coral being sold now is
actually dyed, and its original color was anything from pale pink to
yellowish white to brownish. This would explain why there has been so
_much_ coral on the market at relatively reasonable prices in the
last few years.
I have mixed feelings. I'm ordinarily pretty sensitive about possibly
endangered species, but I've bought real coral for a couple of
projects where it was important to me to use as close as I could get
to the original materials -- a small rosary (which was originally
going to be a necklace) of dark pink coral, a reproduction of the
Catherine of Cleves beads (still waiting on the metalwork), and my
big German rosary.
For the German one in particular, I felt it was important to use
coral (or something like it) because the easiest substitute, glass,
would have been far too heavy and would have "felt" wrong. It's
sponge coral dyed red, and to the best of my knowledge, sponge coral
is one of the commoner species and perhaps less in decline than
others -- at any rate, it's lots cheaper. I paid about $135 (after
discount -- list was $149) for 67 beads that are about 16mm in
diameter. The price would have been five to ten times that for
genuine red coral anywhere near that size.
If you can find it, and if you're willing to use animal products but
don't want to use coral, red dyed bone is probably the best
substitute for both look and feel. I have seen very little of it on
the market, though. I've seen a lot of red dyed marble beads,
sometimes sold as "mountain coral", but to my mind the color usually
looks pretty garish and it's heavier than bone. Coral-colored glass
is lovely anywhere that weight isn't a factor. Glass is also stronger
and much less easily scratched or damaged than bone or than real
coral (which is relatively soft as "rocks" go).
O Chris Laning
+ Davis, California
Another place to "find" very nice coral is thrift shops or second hand
stores and estate sales... Coral was very popular at various times in recent
US history and you can find lovely strings of coral beads for much less then
they would sell the new beads alone. There are also lots of coral in some of
the "retro" shops, but you'll pay more...
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- Maybe its a British thing as Coral is not sold over
here as far as I am aware, and there are always
warnings about not buying it on holiday in travel
guides. I'm not sure if it is technically illegal to
import it though. I would want to know a lot more
aobut it before I bought any. It is such a shame as it
was used so much for paternosters, and it would be
lovely to be so accurate. However, I have bought some
second hand ones which do turn up occaissionally.But
they tend to be pink rather than red.
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- We have an SCA mongol persona in our area who has a TON of coral on her headdress.
Some of it is real (don't tell the border guards! :) ) but most of it she made
herself. Out of FIMO. So if you just want the look from 2cm away or farther, and
have issues with the ethics of coral, that might be one solution.
--- Ruth Singer <queenofspangle@...> wrote:
> Maybe its a British thing as Coral is not sold over__________________________________
> here as far as I am aware, and there are always
> warnings about not buying it on holiday in travel
> guides. I'm not sure if it is technically illegal to
> import it though. I would want to know a lot more
> aobut it before I bought any. It is such a shame as it
> was used so much for paternosters, and it would be
> lovely to be so accurate. However, I have bought some
> second hand ones which do turn up occaissionally.But
> they tend to be pink rather than red.
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