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Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: more privacy in public

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  • mrjimbo
    hmmm very interesting.. I just went in my souvenir drawer and pulled out two tickets for concerts ..one was a Garth Brooks concert..Odd ..nothing was printed
    Message 1 of 14 , Jul 12, 2011
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      hmmm very interesting.. I just went in my souvenir drawer and pulled out two tickets for concerts ..one was a Garth Brooks concert..Odd ..nothing was printed on the back at all of either..

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: prague
      To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:51 AM
      Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: more privacy in public




      Sorry but I absolutely don't see the issue.

      read the back of your ticket sometime. you're giving permission for all kinds of stuff.

      for years you go to a game/concert and you grant the right to be shown on TV etc.

      this is no different IMO.

      if you don't want to be seen in public, then don't go out in public...

      --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
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      > Yes it was U2 but I understand from the article I saw that they are not the only ones doing this.. The issue, according to the article, this process further strips away a layer of privacy and anonymity but in instances could be used very adversely.. The logic is that it's use goes well beyond attending the event. It was even suggested that the viewer pays to attend the event and see the entertainers for but a few hours.. The other side of it is that the viewers are captured for all time right wrong or indifferent and did not offer approval nor were compensated for this regardless of it's final use.... Even newspaper are liable ...this process seems to circumvent that.. Further .. While many say it ( U2 concert) is a public event.. that is actually not true.. It is an event only for those that paid the money to attend so thus not really a public event and in their case none signed up or did releases to be photographed. The concept and meaning of the word public is now being scrutinized and challenged. This is actually a very very complex issue I think.. At it's base level it's about human rights but beyond that it goes much deeper.. Most on this group are serious dedicated photographers .. with goals and a purpose.. etc etc.. Most of what those here do pose little issue.. I think... I mean what harm does a scenic vista do.. but at major events whether a public or private group the question is do the attendees have the right to some level of privacy about what they do.. Each of you here has secrets.. we all do.. things that are more private then public.. things that are personal and maybe we just don't want to share with the rest of the world.. No one is really exempt from this reality.. Not me and certainly not any of you.. Think about who we are.. Do humans always tell the truth..Hell no.. Johnny skipped school so he could attend a once in a life time U2 concert.. His parents would kill him if they found out.. Not to mention the issue of where he got the 180.00 for the ticket.. It's all part of who we truly are.. We are not a society that is based on truth , honesty and all that stuff. So I suggest that we need to respect the difficulty of all this.. cause it just real..
      >
      > Here's one for you.. It's about is the glass half full or half empty.. Bostjan.. I really hope you read this.. I have looked at your work. it's great.. I understand your frustrations.. I suggest that you sir are, if you choose too be, in the space of an incredible opportunity.. I'm in the USA .,. while I think I have a lot of rights .. in truth I really don't.. Most of the foundation rights have been stripped away.. In your country right now they are confused . The human rights in this are are still intact.. So are you hindered or are you blessed.. Here's a secret for you.. the secret of success for you does not live in fighting them.. nope.. it's in educating them.. and understanding what their afraid of.. They are afraid.. not really crazy as many here have suggested.. Honor their fear and educate them.. You will find a middle ground ..maybe not to the limits that you aspire from your present focus but one that allows the retention of some level of human rights and dignity which has a different level of greatness. What might that do for you? Well sir.. the world is full of takers.. move over a few feet and continue walking.. show respect and it will come back.. go the extra mile to tell and show them you really do care.. You could very well end up teaching us all..
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      > I guess I sort of need to apologize to many here.. I have been watching this and of course Bostjan's thread... Oddly I found it difficult to read.. it was emotional.. I in no way want to offend anyone for what I've said above .. I guess I must realize that we are all different.. I like my images given to me.. that may not make much sense .. but that's my space.. I also understand that were not all that way.. maybe we just simply don't think.. In Bostjan's thread several were sympathetic understanding.. (another way to say neutral maybe). I think only one shooter/poster mentioned the concept of posting signs such that the crowd could make choice if they wanted to be in the image.. Only one.. I found that kinda scary.. sorry.. Is that all we are is takers? I would like very much to think not..
      >
      > By the way this has been an incredible thread.. makes us think.. Sorry for my post's length .. I got kinda stuck on this one..
      >
      > jimbo
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: dsoc01
      > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:58 AM
      > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: more privacy in public
      >
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      > Could it be this group you were talking about?
      > http://www.u2.com/gigapixelfancam/110213/957347-pieter-welgemoed
      >
      > More info
      > http://gigapixelfancam.com/
      > Hype? Cool? Oh . .whatever!
      > But someone certainly did jump on this monetizing wagon quick!
      >
      > Can we assume that there is no expectation of privacy in a "public" place? Of course, the rules of engagement are changing, and this expectation will vary from country to country, as we are now seeing.
      >
      > ~ dano
      >
      > At 8:32 AM -0600 7/8/11, mrjimbo wrote:
      > >Their is a Rock Group that is having gigapixel pano's done at their concerts..Then they set it up on line and your supposed to go in and find and identify yourself..on it.. You can absolutly make out everyone in the stands .. The act of doing this brings attention to all at the event.. They, I understand, are getting sued huge... While many in the audience think it's great.. Their are apparently many that don't..
      > >
      > >jimbo
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Carl von Einem
      > > To: PanoTools NG List
      > > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:06 AM
      > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: more privacy in public
      > >
      > >That blog article on Basic Thinking is IMHO silly: the author tries to scandalize the fact that the gigapixel image can be used to identify faces of festival visitors and also that names are associated with several faces...
      > >
      > >This may be debatable but it's not clever to illustrate that issue with a zoomed in screenshot and by mentioning full names of half a dozen people in the article. Isn't that somehow contradictory?
      > >
      > > Carl
      > >
      > > Posted by: "Jeffrey Martin"
      > > > Date: Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:50 am ((PDT))
      > > >
      > > > <http://www.basicthinking.de/blog/2011/07/04/panoramabild-der-rheinkultur-auf-facebook-namen-der-festivalbesucher-offentlic/>
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