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RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped QTVR

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  • Yazan Sboul
    Honestly I really have no idea what on earth that movie is doing attached to my previous post! its really odd. Sorry!Y.S ... [Non-text portions of this message
    Message 1 of 56 , Jan 31, 2011
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      Honestly I really have no idea what on earth that movie is doing attached to my previous post! its really odd. Sorry!Y.S

      > To: panotoolsng@yahoogroups.com
      > From: yazansboul@...
      > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:27:48 +0000
      > Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped QTVR
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      > I like this idea, I like interactive image - first spotted this term on Keith martins website a few years back and I've used it ever since. But I still rely on virtual tour when talking to a client. Interactive image is reserved for the in group (my immediate pano family).
      > But back to the idea of having a competition - apart from the fact that I can't put Keith's phrase as my own submission, in the spirit of the original post by Don Bain I think we should be looking for something to capture the public's imagination. Something synonymous with Virtual tour, but specific to VR photography - where photography and the "web content" elements (which distinguish the VR from any other virtual presentation) are appreciated/ highlighted.
      > What about a random catchy name that we could all start using until it sinks in? Not in the forced obnoxious why that Microsoft are trying to use to get us to "bing" instead of "google", but something like a "panograph"?
      > The only problem with panograph is that it makes us all panographers, and I learn the very funny way, that a spell checker will usually correct that to pornographer. (don't auto correct your emails to clients if you are declaring yourself a panographer enquiring about their interest in panography for their hotel... they don't see the funny side)
      > ThanksY.S
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      > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
      > From: Greg.Nuspel@...
      > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:57:57 -0700
      > Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped QTVR
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      > Actually this might be good Interactive Panoramic Images would give the same
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      > Greg
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      > > -----Original Message-----
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      > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
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      > > Behalf Of L.D.I. Felipe B. González
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      > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:52 PM
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      > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
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      > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
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      > > We call them "Imágenes Panorámicas Interactivas" in the subtropical
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      > > of México, which translates to "Interactive panoramic images".
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      > > 2011/1/31 Mark Houston <Mark@...>
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      > > > I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.
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      > > > Mark Houston
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      > > > 360Michigan
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      > > > http://www.360michigan.net
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      > > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink"
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      > > <markdfink@...<markdfink%40northernlight.net>>
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      > > > > How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner
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      > > > > beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.
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      > > > > I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
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      > > > > Although much of that pun depends on the English language...
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      > > > > Mark
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      > > > > www.northernlight.net
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      > > > > www.virtual-travels.com
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      > > > > www.pinnacle-vr.com
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      > > > > > -----Original Message-----
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      > > > > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
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      > > <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
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      > > > PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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      > > > > > Behalf Of Don Bain
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      > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
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      > > > > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
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      > > > > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple
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      > > > dropped
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      > > > > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
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      > > > > > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a
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      > > > > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
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      > > > Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
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      > > > > > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the
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      > > > > > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
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      > > > > > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
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      > > > > > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth -
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      > > > > > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know
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      > > > > > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
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      > > > > > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it
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      > > > > > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large
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      > > > > > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were
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      > > > > > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as
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      > > > > > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone
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      > > > > > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has
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      > > > > > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe
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      > > > > > seem to know about us.
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      > > > > > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
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      > > > > > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic
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      > > > > > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with
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      > > > > > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
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      > > > > > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we
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      > > > > > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser
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      > > > > > and support for standards may actually be an asset.
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      > > > > > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a
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      > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
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      > > > > > (Caution, adult content!)
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      > > L.D.I. Felipe B. González C.
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      > > felipe@...
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      > > 1998-5246
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      > > www.fpk.com.mx
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      > > http://recorridosvirtualesmexico.blogspot.com/
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      > > Socio Director Maquetas Virtuales www.maquetasvirtuales.com
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      > > Socio Director Recorridos Virtuales www.recorridosvirtuales.com
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    • Bostjan Burger
      My opinion is that we need to be exact with the use of terms. We know many types of panoramas from the geographical point of view, as social, economic,
      Message 56 of 56 , Feb 5, 2011
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        My opinion is that we need to be exact with the use of terms. We know many types
        of panoramas from the geographical point of view, as social, economic, cultural
        panoramas. My daughters study music so they are familiar with musical panoramas…
        I am working with the physical geography and GIS and panorama means for me a
        visual perception of a landscape or a region. It is true; term panorama became
        popular when geographers started with crocs which represented the surrounding
        landscapes, often with 360°. That sketches were named panorama. Panorama is
        truly worldwide expression and recognizable in most of the modern languages.
        From that point of view I have no problem with using that term even in small
        rooms (even not logical in some cases of use…). So… panorama (not a vista as
        insitu view) is a flat 2D picture, photography of the landscape (urban or rural)
        or »other« scapes. Interactive panorama is something what we can move or is with
        hotspots. That what we do is the presentation of that flat 2D: paint, image,
        sketch, photography which represents panorama, on the screen. That presentation
        is with the projection algorithm which makes a mental illusion of the
        surrounding image like to be there. If someone say 360° panorama I can't be
        sure: is that a print or screen projection? Same is with interactive panorama –
        is it only interactive picture or is the illusion of the surrounding? With term
        Spherical panorama is same…is it a print, projection? What about cylinders?
        (Most of my panoramas from mountain tops are cylinders).

        But all is with the agreement and the consensuns with the use of terms. Let’s
        use something what is already recognizable but be exact: flat is flat and
        projection is a projection… Last decade I used term 360° panorama for a flat
        image like prints and Virtual Reality panorama for a projection of that same
        image on the screen.

        Bostjan



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        From: Don Bain <dbain@...>
        To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 3:52:33 AM
        Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped QTVR
        > VRP


        IP is in use - it stands for Internet Protocol, as well as Intellectual
        Property.

        I use pano all the time also, but only when conversing with someone already
        familiar with the concept.

        Virtual Tour is also in use - follow a few links and you will find mostly
        collections of still images, only a few VR panoramas.


        To me, it isn't a tour unless it is linked nodes, with hotspots or a
        floorplan/map. How can it be a tour if it is just from one place?

        VR panorama, 360 panorama, interactive panorama - they all work.

        Don




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