Re: [PanoToolsNG] Going to Kuwait? Be prepared
- I am not talking politics... I am talking about everyday attacks on our
profession and our freedom to use cameras to take pictures. Censorship by
others or self-censoring is not something I have respect for, but I don't
think there is anything in the contents of this discussion that should be
censored or kept out of this place, since it is about the freedom to shoot
the panoramas we are to speak about. No freedom to use cameras... and there
will be no panoramas to talk about. Of course, as with everything else in
life, discussions may get tainted with personal opinions and feelings, but
I'm pretty sure that everything here is still civil and in the right
spirit. I have no interest in starting a political mud/throwing contest. I
am however interested in making sure that people are aware of the situation
we are all facing. I can stand by what I said, and I am pretty sure that
everyone else here, will agree with me that no one and nothing should be
allowed to take away our photographic rights, and that is the essence of my
opinions put into rants here.
... apart from that, I would love to speak to people face to face over a
couple of beers or good strong coffee, but since we are spread all over the
world, such scenarios will have to remain in one's dreams :)
As you say: reality isn't (only) black and white... that is why we have
differing views on different things... after all we are not mass produced
robots (not all of us in any case).
Enjoy the day.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Keith Martin <keith@...> wrote:
> Trausti, personally, I think politics should be discussed
> face-to-face, as there is SO much scope for misunderstanding and
> raised blood pressure. And regardless of the importance of
> broad-based political discourse it is patently not on topic in a
> forum meant specifically for panorama issues.
> Mick, I have spent a significant proportion of my professional time
> since the early 1990s writing for magazines. So I *am* a journalist,
> albeit not a full-time one any more. The tar brush is a crude
> implement, and reality isn't black and white.
> Maybe it is time to seek panorama-specific conversation elsewhere.
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Am 04.12.2010 07:15, schrieb AYRTON:
> do you all know, that our Keith has left the List ????Yes, it's a real shame! And I feel especially ashamed as a moderator of
> This is BAD !!!
> Why waste time discussing things that are not directly related to
> and ... insulting others just because some people think they're funny, very
> f... funny
> This really makes me very mad !
> SHAME ! ! !
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