Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT-In a pricing quandry. Hourly rate would be too high.
- It's fine to get a few ideas here.. I didn't mean that it's the wrong place actually.. but just for ideas pointers I would think... No kidding try a search or two.. You'll get pretty close there.. but even in the example your suggesting in your post.. it suggests specifics that you feel whether these exist in a standard contract or not remains to be seen.. but you can change it.. I understand regarding the time thing.. believe me I do.. Consider how much time you've put into all the posts and reading all of it.. plus wrestling with your client sover issues......... a search and an attorney might get you to the other side and be better use of your time.
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT-In a pricing quandry. Hourly rate would be too high.
Needakeeper is my moniker because that is exactly what I need-a secretary, bookkeeper, housekeeper...I have my hands full. I take no offense in anything you have said.
I read the ASMP boilerplate terms and conditions. That just seemed like overkill, but perhaps it is not. The purpose of my post was in looking for direction on what I did not need to omit-specifically in regard to usage of the panoramas outside of their website, for instance on their various electronic ads and their FB page. Don't FB's TOS say that they own the things you post on your page?
Six months ago I would have admitted that I am over thinking it, but given these recent occurrences I am more than a little wary.
Apologies if I was looking in the wrong place-sh
--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
> first..re the omitted credit.. did you have a binding agreement? Based on your previous issue ..probably not.. Anyway if you did then you just have to deal with it.
> Ok constructively and I mean no insult in this ok? Seems that you are one of the many that's business side is out of control or your lacking in the skills to simply deal with it. Don't be too freaked out with my remark as most artists are in the same boat..
> I honestly feel that your going about this the wrong way.. soliciting this group for what I'll term as boiler plate is probably a accident looking for a place to happen. You may not be capable of assembling all the pieces in a meaningful and proper fashion..
> Ok all that being said I can only assume that your making at effort at doing this seriously and simply it's out side of your box.. So you basically have two options that really make sense... but you do need to realize that a contract that I may need is not necessarily what may suit you the best and visa versa.. You can have a lawyer do all this for you but I'll tell you that is spendy.. I basically use several different standard contract language forms.. what I'm trying to say is that today one just doesn't do it all.. model release, proposal agreements, Photographic contracts, digital services, reproduction rights etc.. So if you digest all that and feel you need all or most of that ...Well my friend it has content.. and it is intimidating..
> I would suggest doing a search on line for contract language and standard contracts.. their are literally hundreds of them out there. It would serve you far better then here and the legal language is appropriate...The detail contract may not be exactly what you need it just needs additions or subtractions.. If you can afford it have an attorney clean them up for you.. That's the way to go..That's what I did and so far it has managed to keep the horse in the coral. This probably isn't what you wanted to hear but this stuff is something that you have to deal with.. ...I just did a quick search and found a ton of packages .. from 40 bucks to several hundred..
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> From: needakeeper
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:25 PM
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT-In a pricing quandry. Hourly rate would be too high.
> We have struck a deal for a virtual tour that includes five panoramas. Any suggestions on items that need to be included in the contract that pertain to rights and usage?
> I found out yesterday that a photo I did last summer was on the inside cover of a small magazine here in AR and my credit was omitted. I gave permission for the photo to be used as long as it included my name. I have contacted the ad agency that approached me about the photo to see if it can be rectified.
> Needless to say, with these two incidents I am getting wary. I don't want to fail to include something in the virtual tour contract that will come back and bite me in the butt.
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- ASMP's forms and paperwork examples have always been good. ASMP has
long been one of the leading organizations in the world protecting and
promoting the interests of professional photographers whose work is
for publication. While some may feel their sample terms and
conditions are overkill, they are all derived from real life
experiences of professional photographers and intended to help other
photographers protect themselves from as many unfortunate business
experiences as possible.
I should remind you also that there is an entire section (five
chapters) of my new Virtual Reality Photography book devoted to
business concerns for VR photographers. You can see more about this at:
Additionally, there is quite a bit of free business practices
information on the Virtual Reality Photography web site. For a case
study showing how three leading VR photographers (also all ASMP
members at the time) estimated the same project, including all their
respective terms and conditions, go to:
Even if the figures and rates don't seem appropriate to your
particular market or business, look carefully at the kinds of terms
and conditions that each photographer uses on their Estimates. These
may help guide you in better crafting your own.
Other useful business information from the vrphotography.com web site
can be found at:
Author, Virtual Reality Photography