Re: [PanoToolsNG] oh God they're using GSV already :-(
- Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 01:06 -0800) Wim Koornneef said:
>IMO, only the words above are real art ;-)I'll add my tuppence if that's ok, as this is an area that's not
disconnected with what I do in my day job. ;-)
Part of what can turn something into art is the conscious selection
and change of context.
Take, for example, Eugenie Scrase's 'Trunkated Trunk', which is the
remains of a treetrunk and the metal fence it fell on. This artwork,
the winning piece of the recent School of Saatchi reality TV show, is
the result of seeing the thing itself, imagining it in the context of
art rather than mundane physical object or event, and finally
actually taking it from the original location and presenting it in
its new context.
Although it is fun to argue the toss of what makes art 'art', and
also the perceived value difference between 'found' art and year-long
painting or sculpting efforts, this was clearly the best piece of the
BBC news article:
Insightful comment responding to a slightly bitchy blog post:
Anyway, I found the GSV-sourced artwork to be interesting and
provocative. Selecting images and presenting them out of context in
this way, not to mention using them to provoke debate, is a worthy
effort. What's interesting, as well, is how this underlines the need
to consider the artist as someone not necessarily involved in the
original creation of the source image.
This also raises interesting questions about copyright - but whatever
the result of *that* debate, it doesn't change the fact that Rafman
applied some creative thinking, selection and context-changing ideas
in a way that, I feel, qualifies as art. Much like Marcel Duchamp did
with his 'fountain'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29) in 1917,
although I don't mean to drawn any kind of qualitative comparison.
Whether you *like* what Rafman has done or not is a separate issue;
that is a totally individual subjective thing. And whether the
GSV-sourced work is *great* (or even good) art is yet another
question, of course, and one I'm not about to jump into! But, again,
I don't feel that it is *not* art.
- Hello Keith,
You made your point ;-) and you are right, it is impossible to discuss if
something is art or not because Art is in the mind of the beholder.
I found the words that described the use of GSV for art funny and over the
top. When I read this kind of text (this author isn't unique for doing so) I
always have the feeling that those people are using there well choosen
combination of words to pimp there products up to a "higher level".
Making people accept this is for me real Art :-)
Keith Martin-2 wrote:
> ....I don't feel that it is *not* art.....
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- Sometime around 2/1/10 (at 04:32 -0800) Wim Koornneef said:
>well choosenYes, there is definitely a lot of "pimp my art" going on in this
>combination of words to pimp there products up to a "higher level".
industry. Sometimes the descriptions really *are* the most creative
- montreal based artist jon rafman has been working on a series of
photographic pieces that use images
sourced from google�s street view map system. afman has selected odd and
intriguing still frames
captured by the car-mounted cameras google uses to take images of cities
with. each work is mounted
and blown up to larger scale for the final presentation. rafman isn�t the
original photographer but instead
searches through google street views, taking screenshots of images. he
explains, �the world captured by
google appears to be more truthful and more transparent because of the
weight accorded to external
reality, the perception of a neutral, unbiased recording, and even the
vastness of the project�.
>well choosenI reject New Topography
> >combination of words to pimp there products up to a "higher level".
Please, go and watch Wim Veinders'movie Lisbon Story once again.
And two times the worlds by Manoel de Oliveira. at the end of the movie.
My friend Lewis Baltz, however would find it "interesting". Let's ask him...
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