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  • klroost
    I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before, specifically in an
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      I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
      underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
      specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
      challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
      surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
      tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
      panorama.

      The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
      lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
      while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
      tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
      air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
      This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
      take 38 shots), to say the least.

      Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
      tricks are welcome also.

      If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the "middle"
      of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
      the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
      lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
      over, so weight will be an issue.

      Thanks in advance
      K
    • Juergen Schrader
      Gee, that sounds like a real challenge and a whole lot of trouble. My first thought was of something like this: http://tinyurl.com/dxaxhq Unfortunately I have
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        Gee, that sounds like a real challenge and a whole lot of trouble.
        My first thought was of something like this: http://tinyurl.com/dxaxhq
        Unfortunately I have no idea what they are called in english but from
        the picture you might know what to look for. Maybe there are even
        more specialised ones for decent lighting purposes.
        It seems that www.cyalume.com has the assortment one would be looking
        for in your case.

        Good luck and show us the result, please.

        Jürgen


        --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
        >
        > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
        > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment
        before,
        > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
        > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights,
        the
        > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
        > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
        > panorama.
        >
        > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
        > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or
        less),
        > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
        > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
        > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in
        flash.
        > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
        > take 38 shots), to say the least.
        >
        > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
        > tricks are welcome also.
        >
        > If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the
        "middle"
        > of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
        > the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
        > lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
        > over, so weight will be an issue.
        >
        > Thanks in advance
        > K
        >
      • Erik Krause
        ... Perhaps you can put the camera in bulb mode, walk around and do a kind of lightpainting with a strong external flash. I did the night version at
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          klroost wrote:

          > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
          > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
          > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
          > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
          > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.

          Perhaps you can put the camera in bulb mode, walk around and do a kind
          of lightpainting with a strong external flash. I did the night version
          at http://pano.erik-krause.de/borders/#P3 using this technique (with
          additional slave flashes behind the stone).

          > This will make getting even exposures difficult (kit lens, I have to
          > take 38 shots), to say the least.

          The advantage of a longer focal length is that you can fire the flash
          from outside the field of view of the lens. That's how you can avoid
          those ghostly lights you see in my example.

          --
          Erik Krause
          http://www.erik-krause.de
        • Will Brown
          I might suggest using small flashlights (torches in the UK). I once did a night scene in an arboretum painting the trees and the grass with a flashlight. It
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            I might suggest using small flashlights (torches in the UK). I once
            did a night scene in an arboretum painting the trees and the grass
            with a flashlight. It was a bit hit or miss, but there were people
            involved (and I wasn't getting paid, and there was no setup time.
            Maybe a lot of LED lights as they are small and could be secreted
            behind rocks?
            This is the one I did with the flashlights, not the greatest, very
            noisy, long exposures (10 second) and at 1200 ISO if I remember
            correctly.
            Will
            http://www.willbrownphoto.com/Panoramas/Morris/morris.html
            On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:52 PM, klroost wrote:

            > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
            > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
            > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
            > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
            > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
            > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
            > panorama.
            >
            > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
            > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
            > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
            > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
            > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
            > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
            > take 38 shots), to say the least.
            >
            > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
            > tricks are welcome also.
            >
            > If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the "middle"
            > of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
            > the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
            > lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
            > over, so weight will be an issue.
            >
            > Thanks in advance
            > K
            >
            >



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          • Matthias Taugwalder
            ... Or one light to light them all ;-) http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/produkte/html_highperformance/html_Xserie/x21.php?id=x_21 Best regards, Matthias --
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              > Maybe a lot of LED lights as they are small and could be secreted
              > behind rocks?

              Or one light to light them all ;-)
              http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/produkte/html_highperformance/html_Xserie/x21.php?id=x_21


              Best regards,

              Matthias

              --
              Matthias Taugwalder
              matthias.taugwalder@...
            • Juergen Schrader
              Cool, Matthias. They have some impressive examples on their pages and an even more impressive size comparison *g* http://tinyurl.com/d5cabf Cheers Jürgen ...
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                Cool, Matthias. They have some impressive examples on their pages and
                an even more impressive size comparison *g* http://tinyurl.com/d5cabf

                Cheers
                Jürgen

                --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Matthias Taugwalder
                <matthias.taugwalder@...> wrote:
                >
                > > Maybe a lot of LED lights as they are small and could be secreted
                > > behind rocks?
                >
                > Or one light to light them all ;-)
                > http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/produkte/html_highperformance/
                html_Xserie/x21.php?id=x_21
                >
                >
                > Best regards,
                >
                > Matthias
                >
                > --
                > Matthias Taugwalder
                > matthias.taugwalder@...
                >
              • wardnet2001
                ... Hi I managed a painting with light technique in total darkness here
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                  --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
                  >

                  > Perhaps you can put the camera in bulb mode, walk around and do a kind
                  > of lightpainting with a strong external flash. I did the night version
                  > at http://pano.erik-krause.de/borders/#P3 using this technique (with
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > Erik Krause
                  > http://www.erik-krause.de
                  >

                  Hi

                  I managed a painting with light technique in total darkness here

                  <http://billward.eu/patons/panos/mill_16_lade_swf.html>

                  <http://billward.eu/patons/panos/mill_2_lade_swf.html>

                  Metz 45 flash. Problem is getting shadows going in different
                  directions in each shot, which confuses the stitcher

                  Bill
                • Bernhard Vogl
                  From my personal experience: While it may look more impressive to position real light sources, this may be not possible somtimes due to time restrictions or a
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                    From my personal experience:
                    While it may look more impressive to position real light sources, this may be not possible somtimes due to time restrictions or a difficult surrounding area.
                    The best results i had so far, was, by using the camera in bulb mode and "painting" some light with a hand lamp. With this method you can even accentuate certain regions of your image, avoid or create shadows - just as you like.

                    Use the camera at the lowest ISO ratings and stopped down lens to have enough time for "painting".
                    Here's an example:
                    http://dativ.at/ebensee/page-02.html
                    Created with a lamp like this: http://www.conrad.at/goto.php?artikel=855721

                    HTH
                    Bernhard
                  • homoludens
                    Last year I visited the Ostwall bunkers in Poland. The biggest problem I had was to find exact focus in total darkness. I recommand to take a strong laser
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                      Last year I visited the Ostwall bunkers in Poland. The biggest problem I had
                      was to find exact focus in total darkness. I recommand to take a strong
                      laser
                      pointer or a narrow beam torch with you just for focusing.
                      I used an external flash for lighting. The camera was in bulb mode. This
                      worked ok, besides the shadows and harsh light sometimes.
                      Constant light has the advantage, that you don't have to run around but
                      concentrate on the camera.

                      What about gas laterns? They have a good weight to light output ratio.

                      Cheers,
                      Luk
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                    • Bjørn K Nilssen
                      ... I would definitely use some small, cheap and powerful LED lights. Like this camping light (US$12)
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                        On 2 Mar 2009 at 22:52, klroost wrote:

                        > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
                        > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
                        > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
                        > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
                        > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
                        > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
                        > panorama.
                        >
                        > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
                        > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
                        > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
                        > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
                        > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
                        > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
                        > take 38 shots), to say the least.
                        >
                        > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
                        > tricks are welcome also.

                        I would definitely use some small, cheap and powerful LED lights.
                        Like this camping light (US$12)
                        http://www.biltema.no/products/productimage.asp?iItemId=133237
                        which has 7 LEDs that can be switched on/off in 3 patterns/strengths, making it very
                        flexible. And it can easily be directed in any direction, or used for painting light..
                        Many LED torches have blueish light, so you should test them first.

                        --
                        Bjørn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                      • Marcus Hamilton
                        ... I have a similar challenge coming up. I was planning to use a couple of Speedlights remotely and a commander unit. Anyone tried this? Same problems with
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                          --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
                          > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
                          > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
                          > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
                          > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
                          > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
                          > panorama.
                          >
                          > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
                          > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
                          > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
                          > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
                          > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
                          > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
                          > take 38 shots), to say the least.
                          >
                          > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
                          > tricks are welcome also.
                          >
                          > If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the "middle"
                          > of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
                          > the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
                          > lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
                          > over, so weight will be an issue.
                          >
                          > Thanks in advance
                          > K
                          >
                          I have a similar challenge coming up. I was planning to use a couple of Speedlights remotely and a commander unit. Anyone tried this? Same problems with stitching the shadows I guess.
                          Marcus
                        • klroost
                          Thank you for the replies everyone. I think I am going to try to find some of the caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the
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                            Thank you for the replies everyone.
                            I think I am going to try to find some of the caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it is not imported into the states by the vendor.
                            thanks again
                            K


                            --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
                            > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
                            > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
                            > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
                            > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
                            > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
                            > panorama.
                            >
                            > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
                            > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
                            > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
                            > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
                            > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
                            > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
                            > take 38 shots), to say the least.
                            >
                            > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
                            > tricks are welcome also.
                            >
                            > If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the "middle"
                            > of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
                            > the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
                            > lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
                            > over, so weight will be an issue.
                            >
                            > Thanks in advance
                            > K
                            >
                          • Juergen Schrader
                            If you still wish to look for flashlights you may Google for Surefire and Fenix. Cheers Jürgen
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                              If you still wish to look for flashlights you may Google for Surefire and Fenix.

                              Cheers
                              Jürgen

                              --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Thank you for the replies everyone.
                              > I think I am going to try to find some of the caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it is not imported into the states by the vendor.
                              > thanks again
                              > K
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > I have a location I am going to shoot a pano in, the location is
                              > > underground. I have shot panos in the underground environment before,
                              > > specifically in an abandoned gypsum mine. That location was
                              > > challenging, but it was not that bad. I had places for tealights, the
                              > > surfaces were all at a decent distance. Thru a combination of
                              > > tealights, lightpainting and the built in flash I managed a decent
                              > > panorama.
                              > >
                              > > The location I am now contemplating presents an even more difficult
                              > > lighting challenge. Some surfaces are very close(1m[3 feet] or less),
                              > > while others are essentially at infinity. There is nowhere to place
                              > > tealights or the like. There is a fair amount of water vapor in the
                              > > air, which will more than likely negate the use of the built in flash.
                              > > This will make getting even exposures difficult(kit lens, I have to
                              > > take 38 shots), to say the least.
                              > >
                              > > Does anyone have any advice or suggestions for lighting? Any tips or
                              > > tricks are welcome also.
                              > >
                              > > If it makes any difference I am going to be shooting from the "middle"
                              > > of a waterfall(I hope, I may have to shoot from the top or bottom of
                              > > the falls). I will also have to carry whatever I am going to use for
                              > > lighting by hand for an extended distance(400-500m) while stooped
                              > > over, so weight will be an issue.
                              > >
                              > > Thanks in advance
                              > > K
                              > >
                              >
                            • pedro_silva58
                              if you re still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big problem, you may want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
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                                if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big problem, you may want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
                                cheers,
                                pedro

                                --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Thank you for the replies everyone.
                                > I think I am going to try to find some of the caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it is not imported into the states by the vendor.
                                > thanks again
                                > K
                              • Bjørn K Nilssen
                                ... I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC ;) OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K? I m looking forward to
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                                  On 5 Mar 2009 at 12:51, pedro_silva58 wrote:

                                  > if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big problem, you may
                                  > want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...

                                  I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC ;)

                                  OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K?
                                  I'm looking forward to see the results. Sounds like a real challenge shooting a pano from
                                  the middle of a waterfall inside a dark cave witha kit lens (38 shots?). If you start
                                  moving lights around (light painting) I think you will face big stitching problems,
                                  unless there are many easily visible features to put control points on.

                                  Could you show us the ones you did before, with tea lights?


                                  > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:

                                  > > Thank you for the replies everyone. > I think I am going to try to find some of the
                                  > caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural
                                  > outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide
                                  > extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it
                                  > is not imported into the states by the vendor. > thanks again > K

                                  --
                                  Bjørn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                                • Mark D. Fink
                                  What if you used a potato masher style flash unit, like one of the Metz ones which has a 360 degree diffuser? Then, you could shoot multiple bulb exposures,
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                                    What if you used a "potato masher" style flash unit, like one of the Metz
                                    ones which has a 360 degree diffuser? Then, you could shoot multiple bulb
                                    exposures, the first "popping" the flash once, the second, popping it twice,
                                    the third exposure, popping it four times, etc...

                                    Eventually, the accumulated pops of flash would light even the distant
                                    reaches, and you could use enfuse to merge them into one properly lit scene.
                                    The trick is keeping track of what exposure you are on, and how many times
                                    you've popped the flash. Plus, bring lots of batteries...

                                    If you hold the flash with the diffuser above and behind the lens, you
                                    should get good coverage except for the nadir. Then, you'd shoot the nadir
                                    separately with one properly exposed image, since it will be close by and
                                    easy to light.

                                    Mark
                                    www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                    www.northernlight.net
                                    www.360cities.net


                                    >-----Original Message-----
                                    >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    >Behalf Of Bjørn K Nilssen
                                    >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:06 AM
                                    >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                    >Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Underground panorama lighting suggestions
                                    >anyone?
                                    >
                                    >On 5 Mar 2009 at 12:51, pedro_silva58 wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big
                                    >problem, you may
                                    >> want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
                                    >
                                    >I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC ;)
                                    >
                                    >OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K?
                                    >I'm looking forward to see the results. Sounds like a real challenge
                                    >shooting a pano from
                                    >the middle of a waterfall inside a dark cave witha kit lens (38 shots?). If
                                    >you start
                                    >moving lights around (light painting) I think you will face big stitching
                                    >problems,
                                    >unless there are many easily visible features to put control points on.
                                    >
                                    >Could you show us the ones you did before, with tea lights?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> > Thank you for the replies everyone. > I think I am going to try to find
                                    >some of the
                                    >> caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight
                                    >the structural
                                    >> outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any
                                    >places to hide
                                    >> extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen
                                    >flashlight, but it
                                    >> is not imported into the states by the vendor. > thanks again > K
                                    >
                                    >--
                                    >Bjørn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                                  • klroost
                                    This was easy in comparison, the one i am planning on shooting leaves me nowhere to walk or anywhere to place lights. I am thinking of sticking the caylumes
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                                      This was easy in comparison, the one i am planning on shooting leaves me nowhere to walk or anywhere to place lights. I am thinking of sticking the caylumes into spaces between the stones the "tunnel" is made from and covering the side facing me with black electrical tape.
                                      I think...
                                      I'm not even sure I will be able to stand in the middle of the waterfall, it is very very slippery.

                                      here is a preview of what I am trying to shoot a pano in...
                                      this was a 15sec exp, lightpainted with a 4watt led...more light would help..allot! This is a natural waterfall, just covered over a long time ago.
                                      http://abandorama.com/things1/geosrumorsm.jpg

                                      gypsum mine with tealights, lightpainted with a million CP light and the built in flash fired also
                                      http://abandorama.com/things1/minepano3.1.mov

                                      K

                                      --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Bj�rn K Nilssen <bk@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > On 5 Mar 2009 at 12:51, pedro_silva58 wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big problem, you may
                                      > > want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
                                      >
                                      > I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC ;)
                                      >
                                      > OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K?
                                      > I'm looking forward to see the results. Sounds like a real challenge shooting a pano from
                                      > the middle of a waterfall inside a dark cave witha kit lens (38 shots?). If you start
                                      > moving lights around (light painting) I think you will face big stitching problems,
                                      > unless there are many easily visible features to put control points on.
                                      >
                                      > Could you show us the ones you did before, with tea lights?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > Thank you for the replies everyone. > I think I am going to try to find some of the
                                      > > caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural
                                      > > outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide
                                      > > extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it
                                      > > is not imported into the states by the vendor. > thanks again > K
                                      >
                                      > --
                                      > Bj�rn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                                      >
                                    • klroost
                                      I finally got to shoot this. I tried with the calyume light sticks, I had nowhere near enough. So I went with lightpainting it. I think this is the worlds
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                                        I finally got to shoot this. I tried with the calyume light sticks, I had
                                        nowhere near enough. So I went with lightpainting it. I think this is the worlds
                                        first spherical in a drain, I'm not sure if anyone else has shot an underground
                                        waterfall.
                                        I would like to reshoot this with a few assistants to illuminate the top and
                                        bottom.
                                        I lightpainted it with a 4watt/2D cell/cree led flashlight, with a walmart white
                                        measuring cup over it for a diffuser. The light was very diffuse and even, just
                                        not much throw.
                                        http://abandorama.com/18/18falls.swf
                                        Any thoughts?
                                        K





                                        --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > This was easy in comparison, the one i am planning on shooting leaves me nowhere to walk or anywhere to place lights. I am thinking of sticking the caylumes into spaces between the stones the "tunnel" is made from and covering the side facing me with black electrical tape.
                                        > I think...
                                        > I'm not even sure I will be able to stand in the middle of the waterfall, it is very very slippery.
                                        >
                                        > here is a preview of what I am trying to shoot a pano in...
                                        > this was a 15sec exp, lightpainted with a 4watt led...more light would help..allot! This is a natural waterfall, just covered over a long time ago.
                                        > http://abandorama.com/things1/geosrumorsm.jpg
                                        >
                                        > gypsum mine with tealights, lightpainted with a million CP light and the built in flash fired also
                                        > http://abandorama.com/things1/minepano3.1.mov
                                        >
                                        > K
                                        >
                                        > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Bj�rn K Nilssen <bk@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > On 5 Mar 2009 at 12:51, pedro_silva58 wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big problem, you may
                                        > > > want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
                                        > >
                                        > > I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC ;)
                                        > >
                                        > > OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K?
                                        > > I'm looking forward to see the results. Sounds like a real challenge shooting a pano from
                                        > > the middle of a waterfall inside a dark cave witha kit lens (38 shots?). If you start
                                        > > moving lights around (light painting) I think you will face big stitching problems,
                                        > > unless there are many easily visible features to put control points on.
                                        > >
                                        > > Could you show us the ones you did before, with tea lights?
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "klroost" <etterz@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > Thank you for the replies everyone. > I think I am going to try to find some of the
                                        > > > caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to highlight the structural
                                        > > > outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't any places to hide
                                        > > > extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen flashlight, but it
                                        > > > is not imported into the states by the vendor. > thanks again > K
                                        > >
                                        > > --
                                        > > Bj�rn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • Jan Martin
                                        I once saw a few series of pictures of sewage systems in the internet. They where taken using very long exposure (must have been like minutes) in total
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                                          I once saw a few series of pictures of sewage systems in the internet.
                                          They where taken using very long exposure (must have been like minutes) in
                                          total darkness and illuminated using a torch to shine on things one by one.
                                          Looked very good.

                                          On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM, klroost <etterz@...> wrote:

                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I finally got to shoot this. I tried with the calyume light sticks, I had
                                          > nowhere near enough. So I went with lightpainting it. I think this is the
                                          > worlds first spherical in a drain, I'm not sure if anyone else has shot an
                                          > underground waterfall.
                                          > I would like to reshoot this with a few assistants to illuminate the top
                                          > and bottom.
                                          > I lightpainted it with a 4watt/2D cell/cree led flashlight, with a walmart
                                          > white measuring cup over it for a diffuser. The light was very diffuse and
                                          > even, just not much throw.
                                          > Any thoughts?
                                          > K
                                          >
                                          > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                          > "klroost" <etterz@...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > This was easy in comparison, the one i am planning on shooting leaves me
                                          > nowhere to walk or anywhere to place lights. I am thinking of sticking the
                                          > caylumes into spaces between the stones the "tunnel" is made from and
                                          > covering the side facing me with black electrical tape.
                                          > > I think...
                                          > > I'm not even sure I will be able to stand in the middle of the waterfall,
                                          > it is very very slippery.
                                          > >
                                          > > here is a preview of what I am trying to shoot a pano in...
                                          > > this was a 15sec exp, lightpainted with a 4watt led...more light would
                                          > help..allot! This is a natural waterfall, just covered over a long time ago.
                                          > > http://abandorama.com/things1/geosrumorsm.jpg
                                          > >
                                          > > gypsum mine with tealights, lightpainted with a million CP light and the
                                          > built in flash fired also
                                          > > http://abandorama.com/things1/minepano3.1.mov
                                          > >
                                          > > K
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                          > Bj�rn K Nilssen <bk@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On 5 Mar 2009 at 12:51, pedro_silva58 wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > if you're still looking for a hi power light, and money is not a big
                                          > problem, you may
                                          > > > > want to look for a Microfire Warrior K3500R, rated at 3500lumens...
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I started out as a search for a replacement for small tea lights IIRC
                                          > ;)
                                          > > >
                                          > > > OTOH, where are you going to hide the light sticks then K?
                                          > > > I'm looking forward to see the results. Sounds like a real challenge
                                          > shooting a pano from
                                          > > > the middle of a waterfall inside a dark cave witha kit lens (38
                                          > shots?). If you start
                                          > > > moving lights around (light painting) I think you will face big
                                          > stitching problems,
                                          > > > unless there are many easily visible features to put control points on.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Could you show us the ones you did before, with tea lights?
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                          > "klroost" <etterz@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > > Thank you for the replies everyone. > I think I am going to try to
                                          > find some of the
                                          > > > > caylume lights sticks in an appropriate color and use them to
                                          > highlight the structural
                                          > > > > outlines, then just go at it with light painting. There just aren't
                                          > any places to hide
                                          > > > > extra light sources such as lanterns. I tried to find that 900lumen
                                          > flashlight, but it
                                          > > > > is not imported into the states by the vendor. > thanks again > K
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --
                                          > > > Bj�rn K Nilssen - http://bknilssen.no - panoramas and 3D
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >


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                                        • Bernhard Vogl
                                          Excellent panorama! I don t think it does need more illumination in the depth - that would take away some of the magic of the image... Best regards Bernhard
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                                            Excellent panorama! I don't think it does need more illumination in the
                                            depth - that would take away some of the magic of the image...

                                            Best regards
                                            Bernhard

                                            klroost schrieb:
                                            > I finally got to shoot this. I tried with the calyume light sticks, I had
                                            > nowhere near enough. So I went with lightpainting it. I think this is the worlds
                                            > first spherical in a drain, I'm not sure if anyone else has shot an underground
                                            > waterfall.
                                            > I would like to reshoot this with a few assistants to illuminate the top and
                                            > bottom.
                                            > I lightpainted it with a 4watt/2D cell/cree led flashlight, with a walmart white
                                            > measuring cup over it for a diffuser. The light was very diffuse and even, just
                                            > not much throw.
                                            > http://abandorama.com/18/18falls.swf
                                            > Any thoughts?
                                            > K
                                            >
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