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  • Don French
    Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to offer this group. Well it didn t happen soon, but I do have something to offer finally.
    Message 1 of 30 , Jun 16, 2008
      Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to
      offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
      something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
      Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized pano
      head at http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com

      Don French
    • Mark D. Fink
      Don, A very impressive system. I particularly like the depth of features and options for the controller. This is well thought out. I do have one question. How
      Message 2 of 30 , Jun 16, 2008
        Don,

        A very impressive system. I particularly like the depth of features and
        options for the controller. This is well thought out. I do have one
        question. How do you account for parallax? Judging from the video, I don't
        see how you can set the lens to the proper NPP, especially when you pitch
        the camera.

        Mark
        www.nyc.360cities.net
        www.pinnacle-vr.com
        www.northernlight.net


        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
        > Behalf Of Don French
        > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:16 PM
        > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] New motorized pano head
        >
        > Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to
        > offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
        > something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
        > Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized pano
        > head at http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com
        >
        > Don French
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > --
        >
        >
        >
      • Fung Yu
        Wow! At first look with that mounted long lens I m imagining tracking laser gun for long range targets! Certainly an impressive system that I like to play
        Message 3 of 30 , Jun 16, 2008
          Wow! At first look with that mounted long lens I'm
          imagining tracking laser gun for long range targets!

          Certainly an impressive system that I like to play
          with! I presume you'll need some sliding plates to
          adjust your camera/lens combination to align the
          NPP?

          Keep us updated! Cheers!

          At 09:16 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

          >Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to
          >offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
          >something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
          >Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized pano
          >head at <http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com>http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com
          >
          >Don French


          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        • Don French
          Thank you, Mark. Yes, I expected that question to be asked first on this forum, and it is a very good and valid question. It is easy to position the nodal
          Message 4 of 30 , Jun 16, 2008
            Thank you, Mark.

            Yes, I expected that question to be asked first on this forum, and it
            is a very good and valid question.

            It is easy to position the nodal point over the axis of horizontal
            rotation by using of any of many commercially available rails or the
            horizontal section of a Nodal Ninja or similar. But it is not
            possible to vertically rotate about the nodal point with AutoMate, at
            least not with use the automated motorized tilting feature. This is a
            limitation of the machine, as you correctly observed.

            It is possible of course, as a half-way measure, to mount a manual
            tilting head on the rotating platform for the sole purpose of doing
            the vertical rotations. In this way, you could still at least benefit
            from the automated horizontal rotation, and you would of course have
            the benefit all the other features, such as the intervalometer.

            Another way to answer the question is that it depends on what kind of
            panos you shoot. If you take gigapixel panos of landscapes with a 400
            mm lens, for example, rotating about the nodal point is usually not
            necessary. It is only if there is something in the foreground that
            parallax becomes an issue. And, as someone said at the xRez Yosemite
            event, how do you find the nodal point of a 400 mm lens anyway.

            But I am aware that most of people in this particular group are
            interested in shooting spherical panos with wide angle lenses, where
            there are definitely parallax issues. AutoMate is probably not well
            suited for this application, except with the half-way measure
            mentioned above.

            But AutoMate also opens the door to doing new kinds of panos. It is
            particularly easy, for example, to take time-lapse panos with
            AutoMate, where you rotate, and possibly tilt, just a bit at every
            interval, creating such interesting things as spiral time-lapse panos.

            And if you do product photography, and have use for a programmable,
            rotating, tilting, product table, ... :-)

            Anyway, no, AutoMate is not perfect for every application.

            Don French



            --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Mark D. Fink" <markdfink@...> wrote:
            >
            > Don,
            >
            > A very impressive system. I particularly like the depth of features and
            > options for the controller. This is well thought out. I do have one
            > question. How do you account for parallax? Judging from the video, I
            don't
            > see how you can set the lens to the proper NPP, especially when you
            pitch
            > the camera.
            >
            > Mark
            > www.nyc.360cities.net
            > www.pinnacle-vr.com
            > www.northernlight.net
            >
            >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
            [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
            > > Behalf Of Don French
            > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:16 PM
            > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
            > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] New motorized pano head
            > >
            > > Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to
            > > offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
            > > something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
            > > Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized pano
            > > head at http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com
            > >
            > > Don French
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            > >
            > > --
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
          • Don French
            My pano gadget was featured on Gizmodo today!
            Message 5 of 30 , Jun 17, 2008
              My pano gadget was featured on Gizmodo today!

              http://gizmodo.com/5017214/automate-motorized-camera-mount-adds-tracking-time-lapse-to-your-dsl-for-panoramic-pics

              I can hardly believe the amazing response I got as a result. My inbox
              filled up almost instantly with requests to participate in the beta
              program. I think that panoramic photography has gone mainstream,
              thanks in large part to the Gigapan and the flood of ink they got last
              year and again last month.



              --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Mark D. Fink" <markdfink@...> wrote:
              >
              > Don,
              >
              > A very impressive system. I particularly like the depth of features and
              > options for the controller. This is well thought out. I do have one
              > question. How do you account for parallax? Judging from the video, I
              don't
              > see how you can set the lens to the proper NPP, especially when you
              pitch
              > the camera.
              >
              > Mark
              > www.nyc.360cities.net
              > www.pinnacle-vr.com
              > www.northernlight.net
              >
              >
              > > -----Original Message-----
              > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
              > > Behalf Of Don French
              > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:16 PM
              > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] New motorized pano head
              > >
              > > Many months ago I said that I would soon have something worthwhile to
              > > offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
              > > something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
              > > Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized pano
              > > head at http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com
              > >
              > > Don French
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > --
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Don French
              Those of you going to Prague will be able to get a peek at the AutoMate, thanks to Torsten Hemke who bought a beta unit and will be bringing to the conference.
              Message 6 of 30 , Jul 29, 2008
                Those of you going to Prague will be able to get a peek at the
                AutoMate, thanks to Torsten Hemke who bought a beta unit and will be
                bringing to the conference. The beta program is still open if others
                want to join.

                Don French
                www.TheGadgetWorks.com




                --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Don French" <DCFrench@...> wrote:
                >
                > My pano gadget was featured on Gizmodo today!
                >
                >
                http://gizmodo.com/5017214/automate-motorized-camera-mount-adds-tracking-time-lapse-to-your-dsl-for-panoramic-pics
                >
                > I can hardly believe the amazing response I got as a result. My inbox
                > filled up almost instantly with requests to participate in the beta
                > program. I think that panoramic photography has gone mainstream,
                > thanks in large part to the Gigapan and the flood of ink they got last
                > year and again last month.
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Mark D. Fink" <markdfink@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Don,
                > >
                > > A very impressive system. I particularly like the depth of
                features and
                > > options for the controller. This is well thought out. I do have one
                > > question. How do you account for parallax? Judging from the video, I
                > don't
                > > see how you can set the lens to the proper NPP, especially when you
                > pitch
                > > the camera.
                > >
                > > Mark
                > > www.nyc.360cities.net
                > > www.pinnacle-vr.com
                > > www.northernlight.net
                > >
                > >
                > > > -----Original Message-----
                > > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                > [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                > > > Behalf Of Don French
                > > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:16 PM
                > > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] New motorized pano head
                > > >
                > > > Many months ago I said that I would soon have something
                worthwhile to
                > > > offer this group. Well it didn't happen soon, but I do have
                > > > something to offer finally. I hope that you consider it worthwhile.
                > > > Please be so kind as to check out AutoMate 1.0, my new motorized
                pano
                > > > head at http://www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                > > >
                > > > Don French
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > --
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Aaron Spence
                G day Don, Great work on the robotic head. I have a few of those motorized (hot) heads lying around (older models so may not be the same), I m wondering if
                Message 7 of 30 , Jul 29, 2008
                  G'day Don,

                  Great work on the robotic head. I have a few of those motorized (hot)
                  heads lying around (older models so may not be the same), I'm
                  wondering if you're customising the head or just controlling it? If
                  you're not customising them, can I buy the extra bits needed to have a
                  beta model?

                  Sorry to be so cheap :)

                  Thanks, Aaron.
                • Don French
                  I am sorry, Araon, but I can t just can t do that at this time. I have already turned down similar requests and it just isn t feasible for me, given the
                  Message 8 of 30 , Jul 29, 2008
                    I am sorry, Araon, but I can't just can't do that at this time. I
                    have already turned down similar requests and it just isn't feasible
                    for me, given the unknown nature of the units out there.

                    Don

                    --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Spence" <aaron@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > G'day Don,
                    >
                    > Great work on the robotic head. I have a few of those motorized (hot)
                    > heads lying around (older models so may not be the same), I'm
                    > wondering if you're customising the head or just controlling it? If
                    > you're not customising them, can I buy the extra bits needed to have a
                    > beta model?
                    >
                    > Sorry to be so cheap :)
                    >
                    > Thanks, Aaron.
                    >
                  • Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution
                    Looking at this interesting motorized panhead I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas. I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm
                    Message 9 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                      Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                      I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.

                      I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                      So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.

                      Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                      1) tilt +90/-90
                      2) avoid parallax error

                      A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                      pano-head.
                      This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                      Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.

                      The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the panhead.
                      I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or manual.
                      However this costs really much more than your unit!

                      If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a friendly price
                      it should be really great!

                      Good luck!

                      Giorgio Marchetto
                    • Aaron Spence
                      No worries Don, I didn t expect it would work... asked just in case. I ll be watching with interest though as you work through the beta program :) Thanks,
                      Message 10 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                        No worries Don, I didn't expect it would work... asked just in case.
                        I'll be watching with interest though as you work through the beta
                        program :)

                        Thanks, Aaron.
                        http://panedia.com
                      • Don French
                        Giorgio, You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer them again here, and in a little more detail. AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees
                        Message 11 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                          Giorgio,

                          You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                          them again here, and in a little more detail.

                          AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                          horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                          automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                          plus the field of view of the lens you are using.

                          But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                          I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                          (http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f ) between the robot and the camera when I
                          need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                          sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                          After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                          the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                          easy that it is really not much of a compromise.

                          The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                          post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                          panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                          everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                          parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                          rotate or tilt about the nodal point.

                          But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                          parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                          the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                          small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                          mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                          position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                          any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                          solves the problem for single row panos.

                          However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                          point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                          Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                          AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                          never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                          beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                          that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                          parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                          might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                          $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                          have done with varying success.

                          So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                          designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                          And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                          friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                          other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                          that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                          than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                          to every problem.

                          I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                          near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                          it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                          of that for yourself.

                          Don French
                          www.TheGadgetWorks.com








                          --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                          <giorgio.marchetto@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                          > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                          >
                          > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                          > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                          >
                          > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                          > 1) tilt +90/-90
                          > 2) avoid parallax error
                          >
                          > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                          > pano-head.
                          > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                          > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                          >
                          > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the panhead.
                          > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                          manual.
                          > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                          >
                          > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                          friendly price
                          > it should be really great!
                          >
                          > Good luck!
                          >
                          > Giorgio Marchetto
                          >
                        • Don French
                          And if you would like to read an unsolicited third-party review, Digital Outback Photo just published one:
                          Message 12 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                            And if you would like to read an unsolicited third-party review,
                            Digital Outback Photo just published one:

                            http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_2007_01/section_gear_cameras/20080730_AutoMate/index.html

                            Don French
                            www.TheGadgetWorks.com


                            --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Don French" <DCFrench@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Giorgio,
                            >
                            > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                            > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                            >
                            > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                            > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                            > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                            > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                            >
                            > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                            > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                            > (http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f ) between the robot and the camera when I
                            > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                            > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                            > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                            > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                            > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                            >
                            > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                            > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                            > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                            > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                            > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                            > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                            >
                            > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                            > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                            > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                            > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                            > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                            > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                            > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                            > solves the problem for single row panos.
                            >
                            > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                            > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                            > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                            > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                            > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                            > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                            > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                            > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                            > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                            > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                            > have done with varying success.
                            >
                            > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                            > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                            > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                            > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                            > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                            > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                            > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                            > to every problem.
                            >
                            > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                            > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                            > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                            > of that for yourself.
                            >
                            > Don French
                            > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                            > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                            > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                            > >
                            > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                            > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                            > >
                            > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                            > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                            > > 2) avoid parallax error
                            > >
                            > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                            > > pano-head.
                            > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                            > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                            > >
                            > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                            panhead.
                            > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                            > manual.
                            > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                            > >
                            > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                            > friendly price
                            > > it should be really great!
                            > >
                            > > Good luck!
                            > >
                            > > Giorgio Marchetto
                            > >
                            >
                          • Colin West
                            If I m not mistaken, the screenshots on the PDA didn’t show a field for exposure value change. For example, if I want 5 shots at different exposure values I
                            Message 13 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                              If I'm not mistaken, the screenshots on the PDA didn’t show a field for
                              exposure value change. For example, if I want 5 shots at different exposure
                              values I could only do that if the camera supported a bracket of 5. Is that
                              right?


                              _____

                              From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of Don French
                              Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:26 PM
                              To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                              And if you would like to read an unsolicited third-party review,
                              Digital Outback Photo just published one:

                              http://www.outbackp
                              <http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_2007_01/section_gear_cameras/20080730_A
                              utoMate/index.html>
                              hoto.com/CONTENT_2007_01/section_gear_cameras/20080730_AutoMate/index.html

                              Don French
                              www.TheGadgetWorks.com

                              --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
                              "Don French" <DCFrench@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Giorgio,
                              >
                              > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                              > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                              >
                              > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                              > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                              > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                              > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                              >
                              > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                              > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                              > (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f> com/6nq57f ) between the
                              robot and the camera when I
                              > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                              > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                              > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                              > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                              > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                              >
                              > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                              > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                              > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                              > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                              > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                              > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                              >
                              > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                              > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                              > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                              > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                              > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                              > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                              > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                              > solves the problem for single row panos.
                              >
                              > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                              > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                              > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                              > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                              > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                              > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                              > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                              > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                              > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                              > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                              > have done with varying success.
                              >
                              > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                              > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                              > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                              > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                              > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                              > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                              > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                              > to every problem.
                              >
                              > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                              > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                              > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                              > of that for yourself.
                              >
                              > Don French
                              > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                              yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                              > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                              > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                              > >
                              > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                              > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                              > >
                              > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                              > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                              > > 2) avoid parallax error
                              > >
                              > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                              > > pano-head.
                              > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                              > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                              > >
                              > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                              panhead.
                              > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                              > manual.
                              > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                              > >
                              > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                              > friendly price
                              > > it should be really great!
                              > >
                              > > Good luck!
                              > >
                              > > Giorgio Marchetto
                              > >
                              >






                              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            • Colin West
                              Don, I d like to try this device. I have a Nodal Ninja 5 (NN5), 40D and 2.8/f 24-70L lens that I use for panos. I can tell you a lot about NPP—or how to
                              Message 14 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                                Don,

                                I'd like to try this device. I have a Nodal Ninja 5 (NN5), 40D and 2.8/f
                                24-70L lens that I use for panos. I can tell you a lot about NPP—or how to
                                quickly find the pupil entrance of a lens :). My concern is that attaching
                                the AutoMate on its side to the upper arm or the NN5 and then attaching a
                                camera and lens, the cantilevered weight might be too much and cause the arm
                                to twist, introducing a parallax error. Also the lower arm of the NN5 might
                                be too short to handle the additional (height) dimension of the AutoMate.
                                That is, one might not be able to attach the AutoMate and have the lens
                                centered over the pivot point. How do I get an AutoMate to test these
                                issues?

                                Thanks in advance.
                                Colin

                                _____

                                From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                Behalf Of Don French
                                Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:26 PM
                                To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                Giorgio,

                                You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                                them again here, and in a little more detail.

                                AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                                horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                                automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                                plus the field of view of the lens you are using.

                                But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                                I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                                (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f> com/6nq57f ) between the robot
                                and the camera when I
                                need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                                sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                                After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                                the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                                easy that it is really not much of a compromise.

                                The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                                post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                                panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                                everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                                parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                                rotate or tilt about the nodal point.

                                But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                                parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                                the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                                small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                                mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                                position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                                any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                                solves the problem for single row panos.

                                However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                                point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                                Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                                AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                                never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                                beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                                that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                                parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                                might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                                $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                                have done with varying success.

                                So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                                designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                                And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                                friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                                other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                                that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                                than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                                to every problem.

                                I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                                near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                                it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                                of that for yourself.

                                Don French
                                www.TheGadgetWorks.com

                                --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
                                "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                                <giorgio.marchetto@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                                > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                                >
                                > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                                > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                                >
                                > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                                > 1) tilt +90/-90
                                > 2) avoid parallax error
                                >
                                > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                                > pano-head.
                                > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                                > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                                >
                                > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the panhead.
                                > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                                manual.
                                > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                                >
                                > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                                friendly price
                                > it should be really great!
                                >
                                > Good luck!
                                >
                                > Giorgio Marchetto
                                >






                                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              • Don French
                                That is correct. The only connection between the robot and the camera is a shutter release cable that can do no more than create the equivalent of a
                                Message 15 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                                  That is correct. The only connection between the robot and the camera
                                  is a shutter release cable that can do no more than create the
                                  equivalent of a half-press and full-press of the shutter. But
                                  auto-bracketing combined with the ability to set any number of
                                  exposures per node, does give you the ability to do HDR panos, within
                                  the limitations of your camera's auto-bracketing abilities.

                                  Don French
                                  www.TheGadgetWorks.com



                                  --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Colin West" <cwest@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > If I'm not mistaken, the screenshots on the PDA didn't show a field for
                                  > exposure value change. For example, if I want 5 shots at different
                                  exposure
                                  > values I could only do that if the camera supported a bracket of 5.
                                  Is that
                                  > right?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > _____
                                  >
                                  > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                  [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  > Behalf Of Don French
                                  > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:26 PM
                                  > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > And if you would like to read an unsolicited third-party review,
                                  > Digital Outback Photo just published one:
                                  >
                                  > http://www.outbackp
                                  >
                                  <http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_2007_01/section_gear_cameras/20080730_A
                                  > utoMate/index.html>
                                  >
                                  hoto.com/CONTENT_2007_01/section_gear_cameras/20080730_AutoMate/index.html
                                  >
                                  > Don French
                                  > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                  >
                                  > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  yahoogroups.com,
                                  > "Don French" <DCFrench@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Giorgio,
                                  > >
                                  > > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                                  > > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                                  > >
                                  > > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                                  > > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                                  > > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                                  > > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                                  > >
                                  > > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                                  > > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                                  > > (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f> com/6nq57f ) between the
                                  > robot and the camera when I
                                  > > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                                  > > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                                  > > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                                  > > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                                  > > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                                  > >
                                  > > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                                  > > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                                  > > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                                  > > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                                  > > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                                  > > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                                  > >
                                  > > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                                  > > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                                  > > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                                  > > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                                  > > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                                  > > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                                  > > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                                  > > solves the problem for single row panos.
                                  > >
                                  > > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                                  > > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                                  > > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                                  > > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                                  > > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                                  > > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                                  > > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                                  > > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                                  > > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                                  > > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                                  > > have done with varying success.
                                  > >
                                  > > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                                  > > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                                  > > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                                  > > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                                  > > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                                  > > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                                  > > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                                  > > to every problem.
                                  > >
                                  > > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                                  > > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                                  > > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                                  > > of that for yourself.
                                  > >
                                  > > Don French
                                  > > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                                  > > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                                  > > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my
                                  panoramas.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                                  > > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                                  > > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                                  > > > 2) avoid parallax error
                                  > > >
                                  > > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket
                                  of the
                                  > > > pano-head.
                                  > > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                                  > > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                                  > panhead.
                                  > > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                                  > > manual.
                                  > > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                                  > > friendly price
                                  > > > it should be really great!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Good luck!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Giorgio Marchetto
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >
                                • Don French
                                  Well, I would tend to agree with you, Colin. It does not seem like a very good solution to the problem to me either. I only mentioned it because others have
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
                                    Well, I would tend to agree with you, Colin. It does not seem like a
                                    very good solution to the problem to me either. I only mentioned it
                                    because others have said that they thought it might work. There is no
                                    really good solution if you must have perfect stitches and there are
                                    objects in the foreground that will prevent that. So you can use the
                                    AutoMate in those cases where either there will be no problems or
                                    where you can ignore the problem because the flaws that result are not
                                    so serious or obvious. But mostly, I think that you are best to use
                                    AutoMate only where there are no such problems, such as for
                                    gigapan-type work. It is not the perfect tool for every job. But it
                                    is a very good tool for some jobs. Take it for what it is worth and
                                    use it to its best advantage.

                                    Don French
                                    www.TheGadgetWorks.com

                                    --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Colin West" <cwest@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Don,
                                    >
                                    > I'd like to try this device. I have a Nodal Ninja 5 (NN5), 40D and 2.8/f
                                    > 24-70L lens that I use for panos. I can tell you a lot about NPP—or
                                    how to
                                    > quickly find the pupil entrance of a lens :). My concern is that
                                    attaching
                                    > the AutoMate on its side to the upper arm or the NN5 and then
                                    attaching a
                                    > camera and lens, the cantilevered weight might be too much and cause
                                    the arm
                                    > to twist, introducing a parallax error. Also the lower arm of the
                                    NN5 might
                                    > be too short to handle the additional (height) dimension of the
                                    AutoMate.
                                    > That is, one might not be able to attach the AutoMate and have the lens
                                    > centered over the pivot point. How do I get an AutoMate to test these
                                    > issues?
                                    >
                                    > Thanks in advance.
                                    > Colin
                                    >
                                    > _____
                                    >
                                    > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                    [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    > Behalf Of Don French
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:26 PM
                                    > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Giorgio,
                                    >
                                    > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                                    > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                                    >
                                    > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                                    > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                                    > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                                    > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                                    >
                                    > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                                    > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                                    > (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f> com/6nq57f ) between
                                    the robot
                                    > and the camera when I
                                    > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                                    > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                                    > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                                    > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                                    > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                                    >
                                    > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                                    > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                                    > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                                    > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                                    > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                                    > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                                    >
                                    > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                                    > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                                    > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                                    > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                                    > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                                    > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                                    > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                                    > solves the problem for single row panos.
                                    >
                                    > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                                    > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                                    > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                                    > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                                    > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                                    > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                                    > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                                    > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                                    > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                                    > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                                    > have done with varying success.
                                    >
                                    > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                                    > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                                    > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                                    > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                                    > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                                    > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                                    > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                                    > to every problem.
                                    >
                                    > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                                    > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                                    > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                                    > of that for yourself.
                                    >
                                    > Don French
                                    > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                    >
                                    > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    yahoogroups.com,
                                    > "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                                    > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                                    > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                                    > >
                                    > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                                    > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                                    > >
                                    > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                                    > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                                    > > 2) avoid parallax error
                                    > >
                                    > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                                    > > pano-head.
                                    > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                                    > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                                    > >
                                    > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                                    panhead.
                                    > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                                    > manual.
                                    > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                                    > >
                                    > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                                    > friendly price
                                    > > it should be really great!
                                    > >
                                    > > Good luck!
                                    > >
                                    > > Giorgio Marchetto
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >
                                  • Colin West
                                    I ll just pass this along as perhaps an addition to AutoMate. I ve found that controlling a (Canon) camera though the USB port to provide considerable
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                      I'll just pass this along as perhaps an addition to AutoMate. I've found
                                      that controlling a (Canon) camera though the USB port to provide
                                      considerable advantages for many projects as it somewhat turns the camera
                                      into a slave and the PC into the master. There are scripting apps that can
                                      be used to send any number of commands to software that drives the camera.

                                      For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to control
                                      the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed DSLR
                                      Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination, a
                                      focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail for
                                      many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be added
                                      to the mix—the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                      notebook—remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                      build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.

                                      So Don, how hard would it be to compile AutoMate's software under XP,
                                      exposing commands to drive the controller?

                                      _____

                                      From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                      Behalf Of Don French
                                      Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:17 PM
                                      To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                      Well, I would tend to agree with you, Colin. It does not seem like a
                                      very good solution to the problem to me either. I only mentioned it
                                      because others have said that they thought it might work. There is no
                                      really good solution if you must have perfect stitches and there are
                                      objects in the foreground that will prevent that. So you can use the
                                      AutoMate in those cases where either there will be no problems or
                                      where you can ignore the problem because the flaws that result are not
                                      so serious or obvious. But mostly, I think that you are best to use
                                      AutoMate only where there are no such problems, such as for
                                      gigapan-type work. It is not the perfect tool for every job. But it
                                      is a very good tool for some jobs. Take it for what it is worth and
                                      use it to its best advantage.

                                      Don French
                                      www.TheGadgetWorks.com

                                      --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
                                      "Colin West" <cwest@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Don,
                                      >
                                      > I'd like to try this device. I have a Nodal Ninja 5 (NN5), 40D and 2.8/f
                                      > 24-70L lens that I use for panos. I can tell you a lot about NPP—or
                                      how to
                                      > quickly find the pupil entrance of a lens :). My concern is that
                                      attaching
                                      > the AutoMate on its side to the upper arm or the NN5 and then
                                      attaching a
                                      > camera and lens, the cantilevered weight might be too much and cause
                                      the arm
                                      > to twist, introducing a parallax error. Also the lower arm of the
                                      NN5 might
                                      > be too short to handle the additional (height) dimension of the
                                      AutoMate.
                                      > That is, one might not be able to attach the AutoMate and have the lens
                                      > centered over the pivot point. How do I get an AutoMate to test these
                                      > issues?
                                      >
                                      > Thanks in advance.
                                      > Colin
                                      >
                                      > _____
                                      >
                                      > From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                      [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                      On
                                      > Behalf Of Don French
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:26 PM
                                      > To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Giorgio,
                                      >
                                      > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                                      > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                                      >
                                      > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                                      > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                                      > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                                      > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                                      >
                                      > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                                      > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                                      > (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f> com/6nq57f>
                                      com/6nq57f ) between
                                      the robot
                                      > and the camera when I
                                      > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                                      > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                                      > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                                      > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                                      > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                                      >
                                      > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                                      > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                                      > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                                      > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                                      > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                                      > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                                      >
                                      > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                                      > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                                      > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                                      > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                                      > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                                      > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                                      > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                                      > solves the problem for single row panos.
                                      >
                                      > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                                      > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                                      > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                                      > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                                      > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                                      > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                                      > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                                      > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                                      > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                                      > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                                      > have done with varying success.
                                      >
                                      > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                                      > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                                      > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                                      > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                                      > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                                      > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                                      > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                                      > to every problem.
                                      >
                                      > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                                      > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                                      > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                                      > of that for yourself.
                                      >
                                      > Don French
                                      > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                      >
                                      > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      yahoogroups.com,
                                      > "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                                      > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                                      > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my panoramas.
                                      > >
                                      > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                                      > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90°) + 1 (-90°) multi-exposure-shot.
                                      > >
                                      > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                                      > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                                      > > 2) avoid parallax error
                                      > >
                                      > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket of the
                                      > > pano-head.
                                      > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                                      > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                                      > >
                                      > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                                      panhead.
                                      > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                                      > manual.
                                      > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                                      > >
                                      > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                                      > friendly price
                                      > > it should be really great!
                                      > >
                                      > > Good luck!
                                      > >
                                      > > Giorgio Marchetto
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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                                    • Mark D. Fink
                                      ... Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression that it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point. Mark
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                        >For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to control
                                        >the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                        >DSLR
                                        >Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination, a
                                        >focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                        >for
                                        >many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                        >added
                                        >to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                        >notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                        >build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.

                                        Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression that
                                        it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.

                                        Mark
                                        www.nyc.360cities.net
                                        www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                        www.northernlight.net
                                      • Colin West
                                        Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I ve focus stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers. _____ From:
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                          Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                          stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.

                                          _____

                                          From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                          Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                          Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                          To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                          >For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to control
                                          >the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                          >DSLR
                                          >Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination, a
                                          >focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                          >for
                                          >many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                          >added
                                          >to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                          >notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                          >build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.

                                          Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression that
                                          it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.

                                          Mark
                                          www.nyc.360cities.net
                                          www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                          www.northernlight.net






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                                        • Mark D. Fink
                                          Using what software? Could you share the details? Thanks, Mark www.nyc.360cities.net www.pinnacle-vr.com www.northernlight.net
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                            Using what software? Could you share the details?

                                            Thanks,

                                            Mark
                                            www.nyc.360cities.net
                                            www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                            www.northernlight.net


                                            >-----Original Message-----
                                            >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                            >Behalf Of Colin West
                                            >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                            >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                            >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                            >
                                            >Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                            >stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                            >
                                            > _____
                                            >
                                            >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                            >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                            >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                            >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                            >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                            >control
                                            >>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                            >>DSLR
                                            >>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination,
                                            >a
                                            >>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                            >>for
                                            >>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                            >>added
                                            >>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                            >>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                            >>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.
                                            >
                                            >Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression that
                                            >it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                            >
                                            >Mark
                                            >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                            >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                            >www.northernlight.net
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
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                                            >
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                                          • Colin West
                                            For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus (www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file, I ve had better
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                              For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                              (www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file, I've
                                              had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz to
                                              about 2-4 times the "sensor size."

                                              _____

                                              From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                              Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                              Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                              To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                              Using what software? Could you share the details?

                                              Thanks,

                                              Mark
                                              www.nyc.360cities.net
                                              www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                              www.northernlight.net

                                              >-----Original Message-----
                                              >From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                              On
                                              >Behalf Of Colin West
                                              >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                              >To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                              >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                              >
                                              >Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                              >stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                              >
                                              > _____
                                              >
                                              >From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                              On
                                              >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                              >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                              >To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                              >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                              >control
                                              >>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                              >>DSLR
                                              >>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination,
                                              >a
                                              >>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                              >>for
                                              >>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                              >>added
                                              >>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                              >>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                              >>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.
                                              >
                                              >Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression that
                                              >it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                              >
                                              >Mark
                                              >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                              >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                              >www.northernlight.net
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
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                                            • Jann Lipka
                                              What put me OFF with DSLR remote Pro is its inability to control camera ( canon 5D , 400D, Mark2 ) when using with mirror up function, IMHO mirror up is the
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                What put me OFF with DSLR remote Pro is its inability to control camera (
                                                canon 5D , 400D, Mark2 )
                                                when using with mirror up function, IMHO mirror up is the only way for
                                                exposure longer then 1/30 s.
                                                Does it work OK with your camera Colin ?


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                                              • Mark D. Fink
                                                But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus for each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens, what and
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                  But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus for
                                                  each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens, what
                                                  and how?

                                                  Mark
                                                  www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                  www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                  www.northernlight.net

                                                  >-----Original Message-----
                                                  >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                  >Behalf Of Colin West
                                                  >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
                                                  >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                  >
                                                  >For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                                  >(www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file, I've
                                                  >had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz
                                                  >to
                                                  >about 2-4 times the "sensor size."
                                                  >
                                                  > _____
                                                  >
                                                  >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                  >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                  >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                                  >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >Using what software? Could you share the details?
                                                  >
                                                  >Thanks,
                                                  >
                                                  >Mark
                                                  >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                  >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                  >www.northernlight.net
                                                  >
                                                  >>-----Original Message-----
                                                  >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                  >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >yahoogroups.com]
                                                  >On
                                                  >>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                  >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                                  >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                  >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                  >>
                                                  >>Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                                  >>stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> _____
                                                  >>
                                                  >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                  >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >yahoogroups.com]
                                                  >On
                                                  >>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                  >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                                  >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                  >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                  >>control
                                                  >>>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                                  >>>DSLR
                                                  >>>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination,
                                                  >>a
                                                  >>>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                                  >>>for
                                                  >>>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                                  >>>added
                                                  >>>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                  >>>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                                  >>>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.
                                                  >>
                                                  >>Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression
                                                  >that
                                                  >>it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                                  >>
                                                  >>Mark
                                                  >>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                  >>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                  >>www.northernlight.net
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
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                                                • Patrick Cheatham
                                                  ... If there are folks in the SF Bay Area who d like to go on a small photo Safari with the AutoMate, I could be coerced out with the AutoMate I m testing. :)
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                    >
                                                    > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                    > Behalf Of Don French
                                                    > -snip-
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Well, I would tend to agree with you, Colin. It does not seem like a
                                                    > very good solution to the problem to me either. I only mentioned it
                                                    > because others have said that they thought it might work. There is no
                                                    > really good solution if you must have perfect stitches and there are
                                                    > objects in the foreground that will prevent that. So you can use the
                                                    > AutoMate in those cases where either there will be no problems or
                                                    > where you can ignore the problem because the flaws that result are not
                                                    > so serious or obvious. But mostly, I think that you are best to use
                                                    > AutoMate only where there are no such problems, such as for
                                                    > gigapan-type work. It is not the perfect tool for every job. But it
                                                    > is a very good tool for some jobs. Take it for what it is worth and
                                                    > use it to its best advantage.
                                                    >
                                                    > Don French

                                                    If there are folks in the SF Bay Area who'd like to go on a small photo Safari with the AutoMate, I could be coerced out with the
                                                    AutoMate I'm testing. :) Hit me up off list.

                                                    Cheers,

                                                    Patrick
                                                  • Don French
                                                    There is an XP version now and it shouldn t be too hard to do what you suggest. I will research it as soon as I get a few spare cycles. Don ... camera ...
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                      There is an XP version now and it shouldn't be too hard to do what you
                                                      suggest. I will research it as soon as I get a few spare cycles.

                                                      Don

                                                      --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Colin West" <cwest@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > I'll just pass this along as perhaps an addition to AutoMate. I've found
                                                      > that controlling a (Canon) camera though the USB port to provide
                                                      > considerable advantages for many projects as it somewhat turns the
                                                      camera
                                                      > into a slave and the PC into the master. There are scripting apps
                                                      that can
                                                      > be used to send any number of commands to software that drives the
                                                      camera.
                                                      >
                                                      > For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                      control
                                                      > the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that
                                                      feed DSLR
                                                      > Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this
                                                      combination, a
                                                      > focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible
                                                      detail for
                                                      > many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could
                                                      be added
                                                      > to the mix�the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                      > notebook�remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                                      > build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and
                                                      hardware.
                                                      >
                                                      > So Don, how hard would it be to compile AutoMate's software under XP,
                                                      > exposing commands to drive the controller?
                                                      >
                                                      > _____
                                                      >
                                                      > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                      [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                      > Behalf Of Don French
                                                      > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:17 PM
                                                      > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Well, I would tend to agree with you, Colin. It does not seem like a
                                                      > very good solution to the problem to me either. I only mentioned it
                                                      > because others have said that they thought it might work. There is no
                                                      > really good solution if you must have perfect stitches and there are
                                                      > objects in the foreground that will prevent that. So you can use the
                                                      > AutoMate in those cases where either there will be no problems or
                                                      > where you can ignore the problem because the flaws that result are not
                                                      > so serious or obvious. But mostly, I think that you are best to use
                                                      > AutoMate only where there are no such problems, such as for
                                                      > gigapan-type work. It is not the perfect tool for every job. But it
                                                      > is a very good tool for some jobs. Take it for what it is worth and
                                                      > use it to its best advantage.
                                                      >
                                                      > Don French
                                                      > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                      yahoogroups.com,
                                                      > "Colin West" <cwest@> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Don,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I'd like to try this device. I have a Nodal Ninja 5 (NN5), 40D and
                                                      2.8/f
                                                      > > 24-70L lens that I use for panos. I can tell you a lot about NPP�or
                                                      > how to
                                                      > > quickly find the pupil entrance of a lens :). My concern is that
                                                      > attaching
                                                      > > the AutoMate on its side to the upper arm or the NN5 and then
                                                      > attaching a
                                                      > > camera and lens, the cantilevered weight might be too much and cause
                                                      > the arm
                                                      > > to twist, introducing a parallax error. Also the lower arm of the
                                                      > NN5 might
                                                      > > be too short to handle the additional (height) dimension of the
                                                      > AutoMate.
                                                      > > That is, one might not be able to attach the AutoMate and have the
                                                      lens
                                                      > > centered over the pivot point. How do I get an AutoMate to test these
                                                      > > issues?
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Thanks in advance.
                                                      > > Colin
                                                      > >
                                                      > > _____
                                                      > >
                                                      > > From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                      yahoogroups.com
                                                      > [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                      yahoogroups.com]
                                                      > On
                                                      > > Behalf Of Don French
                                                      > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:26 PM
                                                      > > To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                      yahoogroups.com
                                                      > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Giorgio,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > You also asked me these questions in a private email but I will answer
                                                      > > them again here, and in a little more detail.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > AutoMate is limited to 30 degrees of automated tilt (15 below the
                                                      > > horizon and 15 above). Actually, the height of the scene that you can
                                                      > > automatically tilt through is more than 30 degrees. It is 30 degrees
                                                      > > plus the field of view of the lens you are using.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > But you can also tilt much more that with a very inexpensive addition.
                                                      > > I put a $20 Manfrotto 3232 Swivel tilt head
                                                      > > (http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/6nq57f>
                                                      com/6nq57f>
                                                      > com/6nq57f ) between
                                                      > the robot
                                                      > > and the camera when I
                                                      > > need more vertical range. With this arrangement, I take the pano
                                                      > > sequence in segments, each of which has 30 degrees of automated tilt.
                                                      > > After each segment, I lower the AutoMate to its bottom limit and raise
                                                      > > the 3232 30 degrees and take another automated segment. This is so
                                                      > > easy that it is really not much of a compromise.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > The other question is about parallax. I addressed this in an earlier
                                                      > > post, but I will do it again. First, parallax is not an issue for
                                                      > > panos where there are no foreground/background issues. That is, if
                                                      > > everything is at infinity or in the same plane regardless of distance,
                                                      > > parallax problems do not exist and there is no need whatsoever to
                                                      > > rotate or tilt about the nodal point.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > But if the scene is such that there will be stitching problems due to
                                                      > > parallax, there is a way that you might be able to take advantage of
                                                      > > the powerful features of AutoMate to make your pano. AutoMate has a
                                                      > > small front-to-back adjustment that gives you some flexibility in
                                                      > > mounting the camera, but you can also attach a rail with which to
                                                      > > position the nodal point above the rotational axis and thus eliminate
                                                      > > any potential problems with horizontal parallax. This completely
                                                      > > solves the problem for single row panos.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > However, if the situation requires that you also tilt about the nodal
                                                      > > point, your choices are much more limited. Perhaps you could mount a
                                                      > > Nodal Ninja or some similar pano head on top of the robot and use
                                                      > > AutoMate to do the rotating while you do the tilting manually. I have
                                                      > > never tried it so I can't say how well it would work. Maybe one of the
                                                      > > beta testers can try it and report their experience. But other than
                                                      > > that, if you want a motorized pano head to make spherical panos where
                                                      > > parallax is a problem, and you want to use your DSLR to shoot it, you
                                                      > > might need to consider the PixOrb, at 50 pounds (20 kilos) and
                                                      > > $11,500. Or you could build your own motorized pano head, as others
                                                      > > have done with varying success.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > So, to summarize, AutoMate is great for some things and just not
                                                      > > designed for others. It does add HDR and time lapse to the equation.
                                                      > > And it also adds extreme flexibility and programmability and user
                                                      > > friendliness, not to mention that it is much less expensive than any
                                                      > > other motorized pano head that can hold a DSLR. Also, it is so small
                                                      > > that it can fit in your camera bag and it only weighs 2.0 pounds (less
                                                      > > than a kilo), including its 4AA batteries. But it isn't the solution
                                                      > > to every problem.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I hope that you get a chance to see one in action soon, as the
                                                      > > near-universal response from those who have see it, is surprise that
                                                      > > it is so small, compact, and well made. But you need to be the judge
                                                      > > of that for yourself.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Don French
                                                      > > www.TheGadgetWorks.com
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- In PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                      > yahoogroups.com,
                                                      > > "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS Solution"
                                                      > > <giorgio.marchetto@> wrote:
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Looking at this interesting motorized panhead
                                                      > > > I am asking if your head it is really useful to automate my
                                                      panoramas.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > I usually shot with my D300+Sigma 10.5mm fisheye.
                                                      > > > So it is 6 (+0) + 1 (+90�) + 1 (-90�) multi-exposure-shot.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Do do this, a motorized pan-head should be able to:
                                                      > > > 1) tilt +90/-90
                                                      > > > 2) avoid parallax error
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > A motorized head should be able to control the vertical bracket
                                                      of the
                                                      > > > pano-head.
                                                      > > > This is the best (only?) way to accomplish these requests.
                                                      > > > Tilting all the pan-head resuls in a lack od nodal point.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > The VR Drive Panorama Set from Roudshot is all-in-one with the
                                                      > panhead.
                                                      > > > I don't know if the tilt up&down of this VR Drive is motorized or
                                                      > > manual.
                                                      > > > However this costs really much more than your unit!
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > If the GadgetWorks panhead should be able to do this, with a
                                                      > > friendly price
                                                      > > > it should be really great!
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Good luck!
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Giorgio Marchetto
                                                      > > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                      > >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
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                                                      >
                                                    • Mark D. Fink
                                                      Hi Colin, I m really interested in how you control the focus remotely. That s the one thing I haven t been able to figure out, and it would make focus stacking
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                        Hi Colin,

                                                        I'm really interested in how you control the focus remotely. That's the one
                                                        thing I haven't been able to figure out, and it would make focus stacking
                                                        something I'd be willing to spend more time doing.

                                                        Thanks!

                                                        Mark
                                                        www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                        www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                        www.northernlight.net


                                                        >-----Original Message-----
                                                        >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                        >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                        >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:01 AM
                                                        >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                        >
                                                        >But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus for
                                                        >each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens, what
                                                        >and how?
                                                        >
                                                        >Mark
                                                        >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                        >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                        >www.northernlight.net
                                                        >
                                                        >>-----Original Message-----
                                                        >>From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                        >>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                        >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
                                                        >>To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                        >>
                                                        >>For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                                        >>(www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file,
                                                        >I've
                                                        >>had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz
                                                        >>to
                                                        >>about 2-4 times the "sensor size."
                                                        >>
                                                        >> _____
                                                        >>
                                                        >>From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                        >>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                        >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                                        >>To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Using what software? Could you share the details?
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Thanks,
                                                        >>
                                                        >>Mark
                                                        >>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                        >>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                        >>www.northernlight.net
                                                        >>
                                                        >>>-----Original Message-----
                                                        >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>yahoogroups.com]
                                                        >>On
                                                        >>>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                        >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                                        >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                                        >>>stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> _____
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                        >>yahoogroups.com]
                                                        >>On
                                                        >>>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                        >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                                        >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                        >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                        >>>control
                                                        >>>>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                                        >>>>DSLR
                                                        >>>>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this
                                                        >combination,
                                                        >>>a
                                                        >>>>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                                        >>>>for
                                                        >>>>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                                        >>>>added
                                                        >>>>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                        >>>>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                                        >>>>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and
                                                        >hardware.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression
                                                        >>that
                                                        >>>it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>Mark
                                                        >>>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                        >>>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                        >>>www.northernlight.net
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>------------------------------------
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>--
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>------------------------------------
                                                        >>
                                                        >>--
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >
                                                        >------------------------------------
                                                        >
                                                        >--
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                      • Colin West
                                                        By sending a string or code sequence to whatever software is API d to the camera, you can wind the lens by a given increment, then send another string to
                                                        Message 27 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                          By sending a string or code sequence to whatever software is API'd to the
                                                          camera, you can "wind" the lens by a given increment, then send another
                                                          string to trigger the shutter, repeat (loop) as often as you like. Canon
                                                          publishes an SDK and encourages people to write applications to control
                                                          their cameras.


                                                          _____

                                                          From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                          Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                          Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:01 AM
                                                          To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                                          But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus for
                                                          each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens, what
                                                          and how?

                                                          Mark
                                                          www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                          www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                          www.northernlight.net

                                                          >-----Original Message-----
                                                          >From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                                          On
                                                          >Behalf Of Colin West
                                                          >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
                                                          >To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                          >
                                                          >For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                                          >(www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file, I've
                                                          >had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz
                                                          >to
                                                          >about 2-4 times the "sensor size."
                                                          >
                                                          > _____
                                                          >
                                                          >From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                                          On
                                                          >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                          >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                                          >To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >Using what software? Could you share the details?
                                                          >
                                                          >Thanks,
                                                          >
                                                          >Mark
                                                          >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                          >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                          >www.northernlight.net
                                                          >
                                                          >>-----Original Message-----
                                                          >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >yahoogroups.com]
                                                          >On
                                                          >>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                          >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                                          >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                                          >>stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                                          >>
                                                          >> _____
                                                          >>
                                                          >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                          >yahoogroups.com]
                                                          >On
                                                          >>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                          >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                                          >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                          >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                          >>control
                                                          >>>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                                          >>>DSLR
                                                          >>>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this combination,
                                                          >>a
                                                          >>>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                                          >>>for
                                                          >>>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                                          >>>added
                                                          >>>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                          >>>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                                          >>>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and hardware.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression
                                                          >that
                                                          >>it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                                          >>
                                                          >>Mark
                                                          >>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                          >>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                          >>www.northernlight.net
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>------------------------------------
                                                          >>
                                                          >>--
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >>
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                          >
                                                          >
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                                                          >
                                                          >--
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >






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                                                        • Colin West
                                                          I ll need to try mirror up. I usually don t do exposures longer than the camera/lens shake limit. I do recall though that there s an issue with mirror up and
                                                          Message 28 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                            I'll need to try mirror up. I usually don't do exposures longer than the
                                                            camera/lens shake limit. I do recall though that there's an issue with
                                                            mirror up and live view, and DSLR PRO relies on live view. It'll take a few
                                                            days to get to it.

                                                            Do you use an alternative to DSLR PRO, and which one?

                                                            _____

                                                            From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                            Behalf Of Jann Lipka
                                                            Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:58 AM
                                                            To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: RE: Re: [PanoToolsNG] New motorized pano head




                                                            What put me OFF with DSLR remote Pro is its inability to control camera (
                                                            canon 5D , 400D, Mark2 )
                                                            when using with mirror up function, IMHO mirror up is the only way for
                                                            exposure longer then 1/30 s.
                                                            Does it work OK with your camera Colin ?

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                                                          • Colin West
                                                            Below is an example script written by Chris Breeze. I d suggest installing a demo of DSLR Remote PRO and AutoHotKey and trying it.
                                                            Message 29 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                              Below is an example script written by Chris Breeze. I'd suggest installing a
                                                              demo of DSLR Remote PRO and AutoHotKey and trying it.
                                                              ;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                              ; AutoHotKey script to run DSLR Remote Pro, select live view and take
                                                              ; a series of photos with different focus settings so that these can
                                                              ; be combined using CombineZM to give extended depth of field.
                                                              ; Please note: this script will only work with Canon EOS cameras that
                                                              ; support live view e.g. Canon EOS 40D, Canon EOS-1D Mark III
                                                              ;
                                                              ; Usage: focus the lens on the nearest object to be in focus and then
                                                              ; run this script. The number of photos in the sequence is defined by
                                                              ; the variable NumberOfImagesInSequence below and can be overridden in
                                                              ; the command line e.g. focus_stacking.ahk 30
                                                              ; After taking the pictures run CombineZM to combine them into a single
                                                              ; image with extended DoF.
                                                              ;
                                                              ; DSLR Remote Pro can be downloaded from
                                                              ; http://www.breezesys.com
                                                              ;
                                                              ; AutoHotKey is free and can be downloaded from:
                                                              ; http://www.autohotkey.com
                                                              ;
                                                              ; CombineZM is free and can be downloaded from:
                                                              ; http://www.hadleyweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CZM/combinezm.htm
                                                              ;
                                                              ; This script comes with no warranty or support whatsoever and may
                                                              ; be freely copied or modified as required.
                                                              ;
                                                              ; Written by Chris Breeze, www.breezesys.com
                                                              ;-----------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                              MediumFocusSteps = 1 ; set this to 0 to focus in small steps or 1 for focus
                                                              in larger steps
                                                              NumberOfImagesInSequence = 30

                                                              if %0% > 0 and %1% > 1
                                                              {
                                                              NumberOfImagesInSequence = %1%
                                                              }

                                                              ; First check DSLR Remote Pro is running and a camera is connected
                                                              IfWinExist, DSLR Remote Pro
                                                              {
                                                              IfWinExist, DSLR Remote Pro - Connected to
                                                              {
                                                              WinActivate, DSLR Remote Pro
                                                              }
                                                              else
                                                              {
                                                              MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, DSLR Remote Pro is not connected
                                                              to a camera
                                                              ExitApp
                                                              }
                                                              }
                                                              else
                                                              {
                                                              MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, DSLR Remote Pro is not running
                                                              ExitApp
                                                              }

                                                              ; Turn on live view (this will fail if the camera doesn't support live view)
                                                              Sleep 1000
                                                              IfWinNotExist, Live View:
                                                              {
                                                              Send ^l
                                                              Sleep 2000
                                                              }
                                                              IfWinNotExist, Live View:
                                                              {
                                                              MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, Unable to select live view
                                                              ExitApp
                                                              }

                                                              ; make sure live view window has input focus
                                                              WinActivate, Live View:
                                                              Sleep 250


                                                              ; Take a series of pictures and adjust the focus after each shot
                                                              Loop, %NumberOfImagesInSequence%
                                                              {
                                                              SendInput {F8}
                                                              Sleep 3000 ; give DSLR Remote Pro time to take the picture and download
                                                              if MediumFocusSteps > 0
                                                              {
                                                              ; focus farther away in medium steps
                                                              SendInput ^{Right}
                                                              }
                                                              else
                                                              {
                                                              ; focus farther away in small steps
                                                              SendInput {Right}
                                                              }
                                                              }


                                                              _____

                                                              From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                              Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                              Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:06 PM
                                                              To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head



                                                              Hi Colin,

                                                              I'm really interested in how you control the focus remotely. That's the one
                                                              thing I haven't been able to figure out, and it would make focus stacking
                                                              something I'd be willing to spend more time doing.

                                                              Thanks!

                                                              Mark
                                                              www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                              www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                              www.northernlight.net

                                                              >-----Original Message-----
                                                              >From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                                              On
                                                              >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                              >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:01 AM
                                                              >To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                              >
                                                              >But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus for
                                                              >each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens, what
                                                              >and how?
                                                              >
                                                              >Mark
                                                              >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                              >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                              >www.northernlight.net
                                                              >
                                                              >>-----Original Message-----
                                                              >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                                              On
                                                              >>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                              >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
                                                              >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                              >>
                                                              >>For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                                              >>(www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file,
                                                              >I've
                                                              >>had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz
                                                              >>to
                                                              >>about 2-4 times the "sensor size."
                                                              >>
                                                              >> _____
                                                              >>
                                                              >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              [mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
                                                              On
                                                              >>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                              >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                                              >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>Using what software? Could you share the details?
                                                              >>
                                                              >>Thanks,
                                                              >>
                                                              >>Mark
                                                              >>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                              >>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                              >>www.northernlight.net
                                                              >>
                                                              >>>-----Original Message-----
                                                              >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                              >>yahoogroups.com]
                                                              >>On
                                                              >>>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                              >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                                              >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                                              >>>stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>> _____
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                              >>yahoogroups.com]
                                                              >>On
                                                              >>>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                              >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                                              >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                              >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                              >>>control
                                                              >>>>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                                              >>>>DSLR
                                                              >>>>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this
                                                              >combination,
                                                              >>>a
                                                              >>>>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible detail
                                                              >>>>for
                                                              >>>>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                                              >>>>added
                                                              >>>>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                              >>>>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it would
                                                              >>>>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and
                                                              >hardware.
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression
                                                              >>that
                                                              >>>it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>Mark
                                                              >>>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                              >>>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                              >>>www.northernlight.net
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>------------------------------------
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>--
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>------------------------------------
                                                              >>
                                                              >>--
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >>
                                                              >
                                                              >------------------------------------
                                                              >
                                                              >--
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >





                                                              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                            • Mark D. Fink
                                                              Colin, Thanks for the details. The last time I checked on controlling focus via software was before LiveView. I m glad to hear that focus control is no longer
                                                              Message 30 of 30 , Jul 31, 2008
                                                                Colin,

                                                                Thanks for the details. The last time I checked on controlling focus via
                                                                software was before LiveView. I'm glad to hear that focus control is no
                                                                longer the impossible thing it used to be. Yet another reason to upgrade my
                                                                cameras. Again... :o)

                                                                Mark
                                                                www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                                www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                                www.northernlight.net


                                                                >-----Original Message-----
                                                                >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                                >Behalf Of Colin West
                                                                >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:07 PM
                                                                >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                                >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >
                                                                >Below is an example script written by Chris Breeze. I'd suggest installing
                                                                >a
                                                                >demo of DSLR Remote PRO and AutoHotKey and trying it.
                                                                >;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                >; AutoHotKey script to run DSLR Remote Pro, select live view and take
                                                                >; a series of photos with different focus settings so that these can
                                                                >; be combined using CombineZM to give extended depth of field.
                                                                >; Please note: this script will only work with Canon EOS cameras that
                                                                >; support live view e.g. Canon EOS 40D, Canon EOS-1D Mark III
                                                                >;
                                                                >; Usage: focus the lens on the nearest object to be in focus and then
                                                                >; run this script. The number of photos in the sequence is defined by
                                                                >; the variable NumberOfImagesInSequence below and can be overridden in
                                                                >; the command line e.g. focus_stacking.ahk 30
                                                                >; After taking the pictures run CombineZM to combine them into a single
                                                                >; image with extended DoF.
                                                                >;
                                                                >; DSLR Remote Pro can be downloaded from
                                                                >; http://www.breezesys.com
                                                                >;
                                                                >; AutoHotKey is free and can be downloaded from:
                                                                >; http://www.autohotkey.com
                                                                >;
                                                                >; CombineZM is free and can be downloaded from:
                                                                >; http://www.hadleyweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CZM/combinezm.htm
                                                                >;
                                                                >; This script comes with no warranty or support whatsoever and may
                                                                >; be freely copied or modified as required.
                                                                >;
                                                                >; Written by Chris Breeze, www.breezesys.com
                                                                >;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                >
                                                                >MediumFocusSteps = 1 ; set this to 0 to focus in small steps or 1 for focus
                                                                >in larger steps
                                                                >NumberOfImagesInSequence = 30
                                                                >
                                                                >if %0% > 0 and %1% > 1
                                                                >{
                                                                > NumberOfImagesInSequence = %1%
                                                                >}
                                                                >
                                                                >; First check DSLR Remote Pro is running and a camera is connected
                                                                >IfWinExist, DSLR Remote Pro
                                                                >{
                                                                > IfWinExist, DSLR Remote Pro - Connected to
                                                                > {
                                                                > WinActivate, DSLR Remote Pro
                                                                > }
                                                                > else
                                                                > {
                                                                > MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, DSLR Remote Pro is not connected
                                                                >to a camera
                                                                > ExitApp
                                                                > }
                                                                >}
                                                                >else
                                                                >{
                                                                > MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, DSLR Remote Pro is not running
                                                                > ExitApp
                                                                >}
                                                                >
                                                                >; Turn on live view (this will fail if the camera doesn't support live
                                                                >view)
                                                                >Sleep 1000
                                                                >IfWinNotExist, Live View:
                                                                >{
                                                                > Send ^l
                                                                > Sleep 2000
                                                                >}
                                                                >IfWinNotExist, Live View:
                                                                >{
                                                                > MsgBox, 48, Stacking AutoHotkey Script, Unable to select live view
                                                                > ExitApp
                                                                >}
                                                                >
                                                                >; make sure live view window has input focus
                                                                >WinActivate, Live View:
                                                                >Sleep 250
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >; Take a series of pictures and adjust the focus after each shot
                                                                >Loop, %NumberOfImagesInSequence%
                                                                >{
                                                                > SendInput {F8}
                                                                > Sleep 3000 ; give DSLR Remote Pro time to take the picture and download
                                                                > if MediumFocusSteps > 0
                                                                > {
                                                                > ; focus farther away in medium steps
                                                                > SendInput ^{Right}
                                                                > }
                                                                > else
                                                                > {
                                                                > ; focus farther away in small steps
                                                                > SendInput {Right}
                                                                > }
                                                                >}
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                > _____
                                                                >
                                                                >From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                                >Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                                >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:06 PM
                                                                >To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
                                                                >Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >Hi Colin,
                                                                >
                                                                >I'm really interested in how you control the focus remotely. That's the one
                                                                >thing I haven't been able to figure out, and it would make focus stacking
                                                                >something I'd be willing to spend more time doing.
                                                                >
                                                                >Thanks!
                                                                >
                                                                >Mark
                                                                >www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                                >www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                                >www.northernlight.net
                                                                >
                                                                >>-----Original Message-----
                                                                >>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >yahoogroups.com]
                                                                >On
                                                                >>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                                >>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:01 AM
                                                                >>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >>
                                                                >>But do you use software to control the focus, or manually set the focus
                                                                >for
                                                                >>each step? If you are using software to control the focus of the lens,
                                                                >what
                                                                >>and how?
                                                                >>
                                                                >>Mark
                                                                >>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                                >>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                                >>www.northernlight.net
                                                                >>
                                                                >>>-----Original Message-----
                                                                >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >yahoogroups.com]
                                                                >On
                                                                >>>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                                >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
                                                                >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>For resolving focus-stacked images to 1 image I use Helicon Focus
                                                                >>>(www.heliconsoft.com). Although you can save the output as a PSD file,
                                                                >>I've
                                                                >>>had better results saving it as a tiff, particularly if I want to re-rezz
                                                                >>>to
                                                                >>>about 2-4 times the "sensor size."
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> _____
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >yahoogroups.com]
                                                                >On
                                                                >>>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                                >>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:31 AM
                                                                >>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>Using what software? Could you share the details?
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>Thanks,
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>Mark
                                                                >>>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                                >>>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                                >>>www.northernlight.net
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>>-----Original Message-----
                                                                >>>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >>>yahoogroups.com]
                                                                >>>On
                                                                >>>>Behalf Of Colin West
                                                                >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:27 AM
                                                                >>>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>Yes, focus can be wound forward or backward in varying steps. I've focus
                                                                >>>>stacked 30+ deep for a closeup of a bunch of flowers.
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>> _____
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>From: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>[mailto:PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                                >>>yahoogroups.com]
                                                                >>>On
                                                                >>>>Behalf Of Mark D. Fink
                                                                >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:15 AM
                                                                >>>>To: PanoToolsNG@ <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>>>Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: New motorized pano head
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>>For example, the combination DSLR Remote Pro (www.breezesys.com) to
                                                                >>>>control
                                                                >>>>>the camera and AutoHotKey (www.autohotkey.com) to run scripts that feed
                                                                >>>>>DSLR
                                                                >>>>>Remote Pro provide an extremely flexible resource. With this
                                                                >>combination,
                                                                >>>>a
                                                                >>>>>focus-stack of 15 deep and an HDR bracket of 5 provide incredible
                                                                >detail
                                                                >>>>>for
                                                                >>>>>many kinds of compositions, let alone a pano row. If AutoMate could be
                                                                >>>>>added
                                                                >>>>>to the mix-the app that now runs on a PDA also ran on a mini XP
                                                                >>>>>notebook-remote control would take a considerable leap ahead as it
                                                                >would
                                                                >>>>>build even more so on the capabilities of existing software and
                                                                >>hardware.
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>Can focus be controlled for focus-stacking? I was under the impression
                                                                >>>that
                                                                >>>>it could not, but would LOVE to be wrong on that point.
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>Mark
                                                                >>>>www.nyc.360cities.net
                                                                >>>>www.pinnacle-vr.com
                                                                >>>>www.northernlight.net
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>------------------------------------
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>--
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>------------------------------------
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>--
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>
                                                                >>------------------------------------
                                                                >>
                                                                >>--
                                                                >>
                                                                >>
                                                                >>
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >------------------------------------
                                                                >
                                                                >--
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
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