Re: [PanoToolsNG] OT: how much can cost a single panorama
- (I'm sorry, this was a message to Ingacio private account)
To the list, in English:
I agree: paying less than 250 euros, seeing the time and costs a single
quality pano involves, is not a business.
In my case, I'd like to offer this service to my clients, but not yet.
I'd like to produce quality enought panos to charge this reasonable
price to my clients.
The time I invert on a single pano is more than an experienced one will
do. So, by now, it's not business, to me. When I produce more quick and
with quality enought, it will be. Then I'll can charge this 250-300
En/na Jaume Llorens ha escrit:
> Estamos de acuerdo. Soy autónomo y estoy pagando mis impuestos y
> licencias de todo el software religiosamente, por lo que comprendo que
> no deba cobrarse menos de 250 euros + iva. Precisamente por esto no me
> atrevo aún a ofrecer este servicio a mis clientes. Debo primero
> conseguir la calidad suficiente para que realmente valga estos 250-300
> euros una foto. El tiempo que requiere una foto de calidad sí lo vale.
> El resultado, de momento aún no. Estamos en ello.. ;-)
> En/na Ignacio Ferrando ha escrit:
> > Jaume,
> > Think about charges that profesionals have and you not...
> > If I charge less than 250 Euro + TAX (IVA) for 1 VR of quality, I
> > loss my time (and my money...)
> > regards
- Eric, I agree. I can do it far faster or far slower, depending on the task.
I use an Olympus OM4 to take the light, usually, It has a multispot
meter. I measure with a 55mm 1.8 or with a 100mm 2.8, I trust the meter
and shoot with the 8mm -2/0/+2.
15minutes per shot, usually 5 to 15 minutes to decide location, no nadir
10.5nikkor, 8shots with separate offset nadir
I can bring my samsung q1 on the field and pilot the camera from there,
reviewing the pictures on the field. Custom bracketing, midrange,
30 to 45 mins each pano, from setting up to finish shooting.
no "searching for right position" coz it is done the day before, all
natural lights checked and the thing planned with timings and things.
Sometimes is very useful to use sunpath, to know when ths sun will kiss
For myself I start from pole and monopod picts till gigapixels... but
the price tepends on the project... always!
No estate marcket here!!!
Eric O'Brien ha scritto:
> Consider there is a difference between the time needed to capture all
> the images and the time needed to get ready to expose the *next*
> In my experience of walking into an architectural space that I
> haven't seen before, it goes something like this.
> Less than five minutes to make the exposures; in dim areas it could
> be longer simply due to the exposure times needed; if I shoot an
> offset nadir, a 10 minute budget would be very comfortable. (AND, if
> I didn't have to wait periodically for my old, slow camera to write
> images to the card, I could be faster!)
> But next: Preparing to take the next panorama... make a choice about
> the *location* for that; move the rig there (maybe carry it up or
> down stairs, maybe have to unmount the pano head from the tripod to
> do so, etc.). Set the tripod down, look around, fuss with
> positioning, select the yaw of the first shot, adjust level, check
> for reflective surfaces (to avoid getting 3/4 done, looking up and
> seeing my image in a window, or mirror down the hall!); turn lights
> on, adjust window shades, maybe hide things you don't want in the
> final pano. Calculate the exposure. I'm shooting bracketed in three
> steps, 2 stops apart. I do *not* just take an incident reading in
> the middle of the room and then set that as the base exposure. I
> want to make sure the "bright" exposure is sufficient to capture dark
> object and shadow detail... I often need to do several test shots,
> checking the histograms of all, each time, before I'm ready to go.
> OK, now ready to make the exposures for *this* panorama? How much
> time elapsed since you were ready to expose the previous one? For
> me, a half hour is a good rule of thumb. It might be 20 minutes or
> even less (when I move to a different part of the same room, and the
> lighting hasn't changed, I just use the same exposure settings. I DO
> check the histograms on my "slate" shots however!)
> But overall, a 30 minute average is pretty safe. That means, for
> example, if I have a 3 hour window in which to photograph some
> panoramas that I better not expect to be able to come away with more
> than 6. Or, the flip side: If you do a walk-through with the client
> and they decide they want "12" panoramas, you can predict that you'll
> need access to the location for around 6 hours. Maybe 3 hours on
> each of two different days if you're trying to match lighting.
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
> > Sometime around 27/11/07 (at 10:26 +0100) Jaume Llorens said:
> >> I shot (d70s + 10.5mm) in raw, 3 bracketed series, 8-9 shots per
> >> position. So.. 24-27 photos.
> >> Time aprox:
> >> - Shooting: 30 min - 1 hour.
> > I think you could very quickly average a *much* lower figure for
> > shooting. (In fact, for most panorama subjects you'd *have* to work
> > much faster, as the light or major parts of the scene could change
> > rather a lot as you work. :-)
> > Shooting with a decent head, the D70s and the 10.5mm lens, and
> > bracketing three shots: 2 minutes, tops, and probably nearer one
> > minute. This is from the point of being ready to take the first shot.
> > The key is the pano equipment. What head do you use?