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Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT: how much can cost a single panorama

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  • Marc Huff
    I agree, but I also still feel the need to defend doing what the market in my area will sustain. My main source of income is new construction houses which are
    Message 1 of 45 , Nov 30, 2007
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      I agree, but I also still feel the need to defend doing what the market in
      my area will sustain.

      My main source of income is new construction houses which are always setup
      and exactly what I need when I go to shoot. The only variable is the
      weather, and I can check that before leaving home.

      I can't survive on doing VRs for a living; yes. But I can enjoy it and earn
      a little extra income.

      Now the clients that are willing to spend money on the time necessary to
      setup things correctly, tape off the windows, do multiple shots and multiple
      exposures and return to the site if necessary, yes. I can charge $300 or
      so, depending on what the client orders.

      I do my version of the one-shot mirror, my $100 nodes, which are infinitely
      better than the one-shot systems. I also do the more complicated, color
      balance tours with touchups and corrections and charge $300 per node.

      I've modified my product and created a way I can still earn money and have

      But, yes, you're right, all the time I spend (now, since I just joined) on
      this list, researching new ways to do things and developing a rig do object
      VRs for houses, I don't necessarily get paid for. But any of the new
      methods I learn or create, I charge more for. The basic things that can do
      that don't require much time or effort on my part and don't require the
      level of detail my artist nature wants to have included, I do as cheaply as
      I can.

      I respect you guys... Ayrton and Hans... and what you've done for the VR
      community. And I wish I could produce at your level of quality and get paid
      for it, too. It's coming; the midwest of the US isn't the most
      technology-savvy area in the world.

      Thank you all.

      _Marc Huff
      WHdigital, Inc.

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    • Luca Vascon
      Eric, I agree. I can do it far faster or far slower, depending on the task. Example: I use an Olympus OM4 to take the light, usually, It has a multispot meter.
      Message 45 of 45 , Dec 12, 2007
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        Eric, I agree. I can do it far faster or far slower, depending on the task.
        I use an Olympus OM4 to take the light, usually, It has a multispot
        meter. I measure with a 55mm 1.8 or with a 100mm 2.8, I trust the meter
        and shoot with the 8mm -2/0/+2.
        15minutes per shot, usually 5 to 15 minutes to decide location, no nadir
        10.5nikkor, 8shots with separate offset nadir
        I can bring my samsung q1 on the field and pilot the camera from there,
        reviewing the pictures on the field. Custom bracketing, midrange,
        shadows, highlights.
        30 to 45 mins each pano, from setting up to finish shooting.
        no "searching for right position" coz it is done the day before, all
        natural lights checked and the thing planned with timings and things.
        Sometimes is very useful to use sunpath, to know when ths sun will kiss
        your facade...

        For myself I start from pole and monopod picts till gigapixels... but
        the price tepends on the project... always!
        No estate marcket here!!!

        Eric O'Brien ha scritto:
        > Consider there is a difference between the time needed to capture all
        > the images and the time needed to get ready to expose the *next*
        > panorama.
        > In my experience of walking into an architectural space that I
        > haven't seen before, it goes something like this.
        > Less than five minutes to make the exposures; in dim areas it could
        > be longer simply due to the exposure times needed; if I shoot an
        > offset nadir, a 10 minute budget would be very comfortable. (AND, if
        > I didn't have to wait periodically for my old, slow camera to write
        > images to the card, I could be faster!)
        > But next: Preparing to take the next panorama... make a choice about
        > the *location* for that; move the rig there (maybe carry it up or
        > down stairs, maybe have to unmount the pano head from the tripod to
        > do so, etc.). Set the tripod down, look around, fuss with
        > positioning, select the yaw of the first shot, adjust level, check
        > for reflective surfaces (to avoid getting 3/4 done, looking up and
        > seeing my image in a window, or mirror down the hall!); turn lights
        > on, adjust window shades, maybe hide things you don't want in the
        > final pano. Calculate the exposure. I'm shooting bracketed in three
        > steps, 2 stops apart. I do *not* just take an incident reading in
        > the middle of the room and then set that as the base exposure. I
        > want to make sure the "bright" exposure is sufficient to capture dark
        > object and shadow detail... I often need to do several test shots,
        > checking the histograms of all, each time, before I'm ready to go.
        > OK, now ready to make the exposures for *this* panorama? How much
        > time elapsed since you were ready to expose the previous one? For
        > me, a half hour is a good rule of thumb. It might be 20 minutes or
        > even less (when I move to a different part of the same room, and the
        > lighting hasn't changed, I just use the same exposure settings. I DO
        > check the histograms on my "slate" shots however!)
        > But overall, a 30 minute average is pretty safe. That means, for
        > example, if I have a 3 hour window in which to photograph some
        > panoramas that I better not expect to be able to come away with more
        > than 6. Or, the flip side: If you do a walk-through with the client
        > and they decide they want "12" panoramas, you can predict that you'll
        > need access to the location for around 6 hours. Maybe 3 hours on
        > each of two different days if you're trying to match lighting.
        > eo
        > On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Keith Martin wrote:
        > > Sometime around 27/11/07 (at 10:26 +0100) Jaume Llorens said:
        > >
        > >> I shot (d70s + 10.5mm) in raw, 3 bracketed series, 8-9 shots per
        > >> position. So.. 24-27 photos.
        > >>
        > >> Time aprox:
        > >> - Shooting: 30 min - 1 hour.
        > >
        > > I think you could very quickly average a *much* lower figure for
        > > shooting. (In fact, for most panorama subjects you'd *have* to work
        > > much faster, as the light or major parts of the scene could change
        > > rather a lot as you work. :-)
        > > Shooting with a decent head, the D70s and the 10.5mm lens, and
        > > bracketing three shots: 2 minutes, tops, and probably nearer one
        > > minute. This is from the point of being ready to take the first shot.
        > >
        > > The key is the pano equipment. What head do you use?
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