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  • Jook Leung
    I use this one upside down on my VRDrive: http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html Jook ... Jook Leung Photography 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
    Message 1 of 13 , Oct 2, 2007
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      I use this one upside down on my VRDrive:

      http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html



      Jook



      On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:20 PM, bigwade wrote:

      >
      > Hi All,
      > I am looking for a QuickMount for my panoramic set.
      > I need a ROUND version, about 5-5,5 cm, no flex, top and bottom
      > perfect in
      > line.
      > I thought a http://www.novoflex.de/html_d/fr_ha6.htm would do, but
      > top and
      > bottom are not in line.
      > About 2-3mm off :-(
      > Any ideas ?
      > Have Fun.
      > --
      > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
      > tf4557199.html#a13005688
      > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
      >
      >
      >

      Jook Leung Photography
      360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
      Web: http://360vr.com
      E-mail: jook@...






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    • Eric O'Brien
      What is the benefit of / use for round (circular) ? eo
      Message 2 of 13 , Oct 2, 2007
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        What is the benefit of / use for "round" (circular) ?

        eo

        On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:20 PM, bigwade wrote:

        >
        > Hi All,
        > I am looking for a QuickMount for my panoramic set.
        > I need a ROUND version, about 5-5,5 cm, no flex, top and bottom
        > perfect in
        > line.
        > I thought a http://www.novoflex.de/html_d/fr_ha6.htm would do, but
        > top and
        > bottom are not in line.
        > About 2-3mm off :-(
        > Any ideas ?
        > Have Fun.
        > --
        > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
        > tf4557199.html#a13005688
        > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
        >
      • AYRTON - avi
        Jook good morning. Please, could you explain to us, *why* upside dow, and *how* you use this . THANKS a lot Ayrton ... -- AYRTON VR Images
        Message 3 of 13 , Oct 3, 2007
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          Jook
          good morning.

          Please,
          could you explain to us,
          *why* upside dow,
          and *how* you use this .

          THANKS a lot
          Ayrton


          On 10/2/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
          > I use this one upside down on my VRDrive:
          >
          > http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html
          >
          >
          >
          > Jook
          >
          >
          >
          > On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:20 PM, bigwade wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > Hi All,
          > > I am looking for a QuickMount for my panoramic set.
          > > I need a ROUND version, about 5-5,5 cm, no flex, top and bottom
          > > perfect in
          > > line.
          > > I thought a http://www.novoflex.de/html_d/fr_ha6.htm would do, but
          > > top and
          > > bottom are not in line.
          > > About 2-3mm off :-(
          > > Any ideas ?
          > > Have Fun.
          > > --
          > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
          > > tf4557199.html#a13005688
          > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          > Jook Leung Photography
          > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
          > Web: http://360vr.com
          > E-mail: jook@...
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >
          > --
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >


          --
          AYRTON VR Images www.ayrton.com
          Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
          Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
          Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
        • bigwade
          Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That s what I am looking for (x2) ! but eh, not available. :-( hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea. Jook, the Giottos MH 500
          Message 4 of 13 , Oct 3, 2007
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            Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) ! but eh, not
            available. :-(
            hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
            Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both side is
            that so ?
            Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR rotator via a
            QM adapter,
            (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on a normal
            rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
            (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
            The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
            Thanks for tips
            Have Fun.


            --
            View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-tf4557199.html#a13025840
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          • Jook Leung
            Hi Frank, I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive . The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it s reversible) goes into
            Message 5 of 13 , Oct 7, 2007
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              Hi Frank,

              I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive
              <upside down>.
              The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it's reversible) goes into
              the top of the VRDrive.
              The 3/8 male in the other part is now facing up and will go into the
              Nodal Ninja.

              http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html


              Let me know if you like to see a picture.

              Jook


              On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, bigwade wrote:

              >
              > Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) !
              > but eh, not
              > available. :-(
              > hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
              > Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both
              > side is
              > that so ?
              > Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR
              > rotator via a
              > QM adapter,
              > (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on
              > a normal
              > rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
              > (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
              > The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
              > Thanks for tips
              > Have Fun.
              >
              > --
              > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
              > tf4557199.html#a13025840
              > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
              >
              >
              >

              Jook Leung Photography
              360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
              Web: http://360vr.com
              E-mail: jook@...
              Mobile: 201 679 6177





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            • AYRTON - avi
              ... PLEASE PLEASE show us a photo of it !!! THANKS Jook Ayrton ... -- AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com Ladeira de Nossa
              Message 6 of 13 , Oct 7, 2007
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                On 10/7/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
                > Hi Frank,
                >
                > I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive
                > <upside down>.
                > The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it's reversible) goes into
                > the top of the VRDrive.
                > The 3/8 male in the other part is now facing up and will go into the
                > Nodal Ninja.
                >
                > http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html
                >
                >
                > Let me know if you like to see a picture.

                PLEASE
                PLEASE
                show us a photo of it !!!

                THANKS Jook

                Ayrton


                >
                > Jook
                >
                >
                > On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, bigwade wrote:
                >
                > >
                > > Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) !
                > > but eh, not
                > > available. :-(
                > > hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
                > > Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both
                > > side is
                > > that so ?
                > > Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR
                > > rotator via a
                > > QM adapter,
                > > (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on
                > > a normal
                > > rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
                > > (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
                > > The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
                > > Thanks for tips
                > > Have Fun.
                > >
                > > --
                > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
                > > tf4557199.html#a13025840
                > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                > Jook Leung Photography
                > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                > Web: http://360vr.com
                > E-mail: jook@...
                > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >
                > --
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >


                --
                AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com
                Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
                Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
                Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
              • Jook Leung
                Here are some photos: Looks like I have the Giottos MH-200 (53mm dia) http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9761.jpg http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9766.jpg
                Message 7 of 13 , Oct 8, 2007
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                  Here are some photos:

                  Looks like I have the Giottos MH-200 (53mm dia)

                  http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9761.jpg
                  http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9766.jpg
                  http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9769.jpg

                  There is a replacement for the Giottos MH-500 with a female threaded
                  base here:
                  http://www.goshotcamera.com/product/TQR001RMH500
                  and cheap for $15


                  Jook



                  On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:36 PM, AYRTON - avi wrote:

                  > On 10/7/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
                  > > Hi Frank,
                  > >
                  > > I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive
                  > > <upside down>.
                  > > The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it's reversible) goes into
                  > > the top of the VRDrive.
                  > > The 3/8 male in the other part is now facing up and will go into the
                  > > Nodal Ninja.
                  > >
                  > > http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Let me know if you like to see a picture.
                  >
                  > PLEASE
                  > PLEASE
                  > show us a photo of it !!!
                  >
                  > THANKS Jook
                  >
                  > Ayrton
                  >
                  > >
                  > > Jook
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, bigwade wrote:
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) !
                  > > > but eh, not
                  > > > available. :-(
                  > > > hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
                  > > > Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both
                  > > > side is
                  > > > that so ?
                  > > > Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR
                  > > > rotator via a
                  > > > QM adapter,
                  > > > (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on
                  > > > a normal
                  > > > rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
                  > > > (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
                  > > > The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
                  > > > Thanks for tips
                  > > > Have Fun.
                  > > >
                  > > > --
                  > > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
                  > > > tf4557199.html#a13025840
                  > > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > > Jook Leung Photography
                  > > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                  > > Web: http://360vr.com
                  > > E-mail: jook@...
                  > > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  > --
                  > AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com
                  > Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
                  > Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
                  > Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
                  >
                  >

                  Jook Leung Photography
                  360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                  Web: http://360vr.com
                  E-mail: jook@...
                  Mobile: 201 679 6177





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                • AYRTON - avi
                  Hey THANKS for sharing Now I get it :-) AYRTON ... -- AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl.
                  Message 8 of 13 , Oct 8, 2007
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                    Hey
                    THANKS for sharing
                    Now I get it :-)

                    AYRTON


                    On 10/8/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
                    > Here are some photos:
                    >
                    > Looks like I have the Giottos MH-200 (53mm dia)
                    >
                    > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9761.jpg
                    > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9766.jpg
                    > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9769.jpg
                    >
                    > There is a replacement for the Giottos MH-500 with a female threaded
                    > base here:
                    > http://www.goshotcamera.com/product/TQR001RMH500
                    > and cheap for $15
                    >
                    >
                    > Jook
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:36 PM, AYRTON - avi wrote:
                    >
                    > > On 10/7/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
                    > > > Hi Frank,
                    > > >
                    > > > I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive
                    > > > <upside down>.
                    > > > The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it's reversible) goes into
                    > > > the top of the VRDrive.
                    > > > The 3/8 male in the other part is now facing up and will go into the
                    > > > Nodal Ninja.
                    > > >
                    > > > http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Let me know if you like to see a picture.
                    > >
                    > > PLEASE
                    > > PLEASE
                    > > show us a photo of it !!!
                    > >
                    > > THANKS Jook
                    > >
                    > > Ayrton
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Jook
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, bigwade wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) !
                    > > > > but eh, not
                    > > > > available. :-(
                    > > > > hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
                    > > > > Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both
                    > > > > side is
                    > > > > that so ?
                    > > > > Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR
                    > > > > rotator via a
                    > > > > QM adapter,
                    > > > > (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on
                    > > > > a normal
                    > > > > rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
                    > > > > (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
                    > > > > The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
                    > > > > Thanks for tips
                    > > > > Have Fun.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --
                    > > > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
                    > > > > tf4557199.html#a13025840
                    > > > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Jook Leung Photography
                    > > > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                    > > > Web: http://360vr.com
                    > > > E-mail: jook@...
                    > > > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > --
                    > > >
                    >
                    > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > > AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com
                    > > Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
                    > > Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
                    > > Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    > Jook Leung Photography
                    > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                    > Web: http://360vr.com
                    > E-mail: jook@...
                    > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >


                    --
                    AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com
                    Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
                    Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
                    Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
                  • bigwade
                    Hi Jook, thanks for sharing. esp. the goshotcameratool was what I was looking for. In the mean time I found someone who has access to some old stock of these:
                    Message 9 of 13 , Oct 9, 2007
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                      Hi Jook,
                      thanks for sharing.
                      esp. the goshotcameratool was what I was looking for.
                      In the mean time I found someone who has access to some old stock of these:
                      http://tinyurl.com/23ojhx
                      Ordered 2, have to wait and see.....
                      Have Fun !
                      Frank







                      Jook Leung wrote:
                      >
                      > Here are some photos:
                      >
                      > Looks like I have the Giottos MH-200 (53mm dia)
                      >
                      > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9761.jpg
                      > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9766.jpg
                      > http://360vr.com/misc/VRDrive_QR_MG_9769.jpg
                      >
                      > There is a replacement for the Giottos MH-500 with a female threaded
                      > base here:
                      > http://www.goshotcamera.com/product/TQR001RMH500
                      > and cheap for $15
                      >
                      >
                      > Jook
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:36 PM, AYRTON - avi wrote:
                      >
                      >> On 10/7/07, Jook Leung <jook360@...> wrote:
                      >> > Hi Frank,
                      >> >
                      >> > I found the Giottos MH 500 works perfectly for me on the VRDrive
                      >> > <upside down>.
                      >> > The 1/4 male in the quick release plate (it's reversible) goes into
                      >> > the top of the VRDrive.
                      >> > The 3/8 male in the other part is now facing up and will go into the
                      >> > Nodal Ninja.
                      >> >
                      >> > http://www.adorama.com/GTQRP500.html
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Let me know if you like to see a picture.
                      >>
                      >> PLEASE
                      >> PLEASE
                      >> show us a photo of it !!!
                      >>
                      >> THANKS Jook
                      >>
                      >> Ayrton
                      >>
                      >> >
                      >> > Jook
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:10 PM, bigwade wrote:
                      >> >
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Ideesign Q-top Quick Release, That's what I am looking for (x2) !
                      >> > > but eh, not
                      >> > > available. :-(
                      >> > > hmmsomethingelse, thanks for the idea.
                      >> > > Jook, the Giottos MH 500 is nice but it has 2 mail screws on both
                      >> > > side is
                      >> > > that so ?
                      >> > > Indeed the idea is to mount my NN3 arm with base on a Seitz VR
                      >> > > rotator via a
                      >> > > QM adapter,
                      >> > > (http://tinyurl.com/yt6vvv) but I also want to use the same top on
                      >> > > a normal
                      >> > > rotator so I need a mail/female solution in line.
                      >> > > (Jook, a 1/4 thread is yet in the drive)
                      >> > > The Ideesign Q-top Quick Release is perfect.
                      >> > > Thanks for tips
                      >> > > Have Fun.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > --
                      >> > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quick-Mount-
                      >> > > tf4557199.html#a13025840
                      >> > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> >
                      >> > Jook Leung Photography
                      >> > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                      >> > Web: http://360vr.com
                      >> > E-mail: jook@...
                      >> > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > --
                      >> >
                      >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >> --
                      >> AYRTON 21-9982.6313 www.ayrton.com
                      >> Ladeira de Nossa Senhora, 214 / sl. 101 www.vrfolio.com
                      >> Outeiro da Glória - RJ - 22211-100 - Brasil www.vr-images.com
                      >> Panoramas do Rio de Janeiro www.rio360.com.br
                      >>
                      >>
                      >
                      > Jook Leung Photography
                      > 360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
                      > Web: http://360vr.com
                      > E-mail: jook@...
                      > Mobile: 201 679 6177
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >

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                    • bigwade
                      Hi, I ve got some private mails about the Ideesign Quick Mounts. To help you, look at: http://tinyurl.com/2ycv6t http://tinyurl.com/3cu5lq btw I have no
                      Message 10 of 13 , Oct 11, 2007
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                        Hi,
                        I've got some private mails about the Ideesign Quick Mounts.
                        To help you, look at:


                        http://tinyurl.com/2ycv6t

                        http://tinyurl.com/3cu5lq

                        btw I have no commercial connections !
                        Have Fun
                        Frank

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                      • bigwade
                        Update: I got the 2 Ideesign QM ts but unfortunally the base 3/8 female isn t centered perfectly. 1,2 mm off..... For the rest it s perfect ! and very strong
                        Message 11 of 13 , Oct 29, 2007
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                          Update:
                          I got the 2 Ideesign QM'ts but unfortunally the base 3/8 female isn't
                          centered perfectly. 1,2 mm off.....
                          For the rest it's perfect ! and very strong
                          With a new productionrun it could/should be centered. ( so it can be used ON
                          a rotator like the Seitz)
                          Peter Emmerich from Germany wants to do that but a new productionrun has to
                          be around 200-300 units.
                          http://www.pepd.de/27.htm
                          The old stock is perfect for under a small rotator like the Ninja !!

                          For Jook,
                          Got the Giottos MH-200 and it's fine on a Seitz
                          The 1/4 screw was somewhat short so I replaced that with a 1/4 threat +
                          1/4>3/8 adapter.
                          So I found out when removing the 1/4 screw in the "normal upper part" a
                          femaile 3/8 came available.
                          So a MH-200 can be used (upside down) on any tripod with a 3/8 mail
                          connection, hey, and that's nice too.
                          Have Fun
                          Frank
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