Reasons not to post anywhere...
A couple years ago I was going to submit a photo into a contest
that the British magazine "Digital Camera" was running. I was new into
all of this and had no idea of what it entailed. I noted on any
submissions, they recommended a reading of the contest rules and
regulations, obviously written by lawyers. I suspect most never did. I
took the time and finally never put an item in. Since the images were
transmitted by email, they effectively had a finished product. By the
rules they owned that submission for any future usage, with credit, but
no future compensation. You also had to be of legal consenting age to
An underage person complained he could not get into the contest.
None of the onsite email replies stated exactly why, and most were
probably clueless. I had read the contest rules. So I knew the "rules"
also carried contract language giving the contest providers (the
magazine contest owners) future ownership of any submitted image. By
holding the contest(s), the magazine, and its parent corporation, and
all present and future outside business dealings, would have access to
this huge photo archive. Meaning the contest owners were building a
massive business photo archive, that they did not have to pay for, and
because they owned the images, could resell them to others. They could
collect all future earnings from the images, and the image creator -
might get "photo credit" if they were lucky. To quote Dirty Harry when
he is pointing a gun (or contract) at you,
" Do you feel lucky today? "
So I fully explained to the frustrated underage photographer, that
by law, he could not enter into their legally binding contract. And
added all of the details for the other readers in the public posting
area so they had a chance to see it too. I suspect most never read the
public postings, just throw their images into the contest for fun.
So you really have to see contract driven systems, such as some
types of contests, and the content hosting websites, as a method of
people making money off your hard work and giving you nothing. It is a
legal method of slavery, that people enter into, especially when they do
not read the rules. They get to own a part of your creative abilities,
but not you since that is illegal. That should not be a a price for the
creative person to have their work exposed to the world.
Generally, I do not like the look of photos on a computer monitor.
I am only happy with the exposed printed image. I own it, control its
reproduction, and can sell it. And, I can enter my images into quality
contests, where prints are submitted, and returned to the creator /
submitter. The judges and the public gets to see them. I do not lose my
copyrights, my ownership rights, or my "moral rights". I read up on this
stuff and have rarely posted any images anywhere, due to the unalterable
contractual language that these den of thieves, are employing to sieze
You are much better if you create and host your own website. I
admit to not having got any of this done due to a lack of money and
time. But it will get done in due course. Then I get to fight with the
internet thieves. And I have noted the recent postings of this happening
with code and images.
CHEERS... :-) Mathew
- On 9/2/07, Mathew Hargreaves <mathewdh@...> wrote:
>people making money off your hard work and giving you nothing. It is a
> area so they had a chance to see it too. I suspect most never read the
> public postings, just throw their images into the contest for fun.
> legal method of slavery, that people enter into, especially when they doSomething isn't stolen if it is given freely. And if someone doesn't read
> not read the rules. They get to own a part of your creative abilities,
> but not you since that is illegal. That should not be a a price for the
the rules, who's fault is that?
Personally, I find the activity acceptable and a creative way to build a
business. If someone doesn't like the idea of giving their copyright to a
company in exchange for a chance to win something, then they do as you did
and not enter the contest. The fact is, it is legitimate even if you don't
Oh, by the way, perhaps you ought to read
(FYI, your 'account' info also encompasses all data to and from your
Mid GA: 478-599-1300
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> Something isn't stolen if it is given freely. And if someonedoesn't read
> the rules, who's fault is that?build a
> Personally, I find the activity acceptable and a creative way to
> business. If someone doesn't like the idea of giving theircopyright to a
> company in exchange for a chance to win something, then they do asyou did
> and not enter the contest. The fact is, it is legitimate even ifyou don't
> like it.Hi Robert,
> Oh, by the way, perhaps you ought to read
> (FYI, your 'account' info also encompasses all data to and from your
> Mid GA: 478-599-1300
> ATL: 678-438-6955
Sadly, people do not understand the business model and how the
creator's work(s) can be legally absconded from them on a mere offer
of possibly winning. Of course the business is willing to set the
contractual rules in their favor, knowing full well that most people
will not read the rules. It would be refreshing to see these contests
contracted in a way that is favorable for both parties.
Thanks for the heads up on ATT. The bastards sold out to the NSA
which is bared by law, or used to be, from domestic spying. One has
to wonder how bad it would be if the congress declared war and all of
the wartime laws came into effect. Big Brother is not government
alone, but aligned with the corporations for control. Sigh.