Re: siiha ... lion's roar?
- Dear Frank, Stephen, Rett, Charlie and friends,
thanks for the interesting discussion. I have always been wondering
of the origin of the Chinese's Lion Dance.
I think the well-travelled ones may have encountered lions (hopefully
in captivity) in their journeys. Besides the Lion Dance, you may also
find a pair of stone lions sitting at the entrance of (large) Chinese
residences, temples, gardens or even government offices.
I think the concept of lion being the king of all animals probably
can be traced back to Indian origins, and permeates all of Asia. Even
the name of Singapore means Lion City, in Malay it is Singapura, in
Pali it would be Siihapura!
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, rett wrote:
It is the only remaining habitat of the Asiatic lion, which has been
confined to this forest, since 1884 ( about 239 lions were reported
in 1985 ).The Asiatic lion is slightly smaller than its African
cousin, nevertheless, a large male lion of the Gir is quite a sight
- --- Ong Yong Peng <yongpeng.ong@...> skrev:
> EvenAnd in Sanskrit "Si"mhapura", which I suppose is
> the name of Singapore means Lion City, in Malay it
> is Singapura, in
> Pali it would be Siihapura!
perhaps the original form.
And Buddhaghosa's commentaries were based on a
previous commentary in the lion language -
And Ceilão/Ceylon is the Lion Island.
- Hi all,
Thanks for the illuminating discussion on Indian lions still in
existence, stories and origins of nagas in different cultures.
As far as "lion's roar" in the context of the Buddha or arahant
delivering a discourse, I'm still wondering for which reason that expression
1) lion's roar being the most impressive and dominant sound emanating from
the jungle, just as an arahant proclaiming dhamma in the world has a
similarly impressive effect.
2) lion being the king of the jungle, i.e. in a one on one battle with any
jungle creature, the lion would emerge victorious. Similarly, in a one on
one battle, the dhamma would conquer and completely obliterate any other
3) both 1) and 2)
My inclination would be to go with option (3), but I wonder whether the lion
actually is the king of the jungle if it came down to physical
confrontations. Can an animal expert comment on who would win these battles?
1) lion vs. tiger
2) lion vs. elephant
3) lion vs. rhino
4) rhino vs. elephant
As far as who actually has the loudest most impressive voice, again I don't
know the answer to this. Perhaps an elephant actually has the loudest voice,
but the reaction of the other jungle creatures is more like, "Ok, it's just
a plant eating herbivore. We better mosey on out of their way so they don't
trample us, but otherwise no problem." Whereas when they hear a lion,
they're like, Ack!! there's a pissed off and hungry carnivore in close
proximity. Run! Run like the wind!"
- Hi Frank and All,
> As far as "lion's roar" in the context of the Buddha or arahant
> delivering a discourse, I'm still wondering for which reason that
> was chosen:Siihasutta.m - The Lion.
Bhikkhus, the lion, king of beasts in the evening comes out of his
den arouses himself, looks in the four directions, roars three times
and goes in search of food. Bhikkhus, the animals who hear the lion's
roar become frightened and shivering much - those living in holes
enter their holes, those living in water, enter the water, those
living in the forest enter the forest and birds fly away. The king's
elephants securely bound in villages and hamlets, break their bonds
and frightened and shivering, throw urine and excreta and run in all
directions. Bhikkhus, so powerful is the lion, the king of beasts.
Bhikkhus, in like manner when the Thus Gone One is born in the world,
worthy and rightfully enlightened, endowed with knowledge and
conduct, well gone, knower of the worlds, the incomparable tamer of
those to be tamed, the teacher of gods and men, enlightened and
blessed. He declares the Teaching- This is the individual, this its
arising, this its cessation and this is the path to the cessation of
the individual. Bhikkhus, those gods enjoying long life born into
pleasantness established long, in lofty palaces, they too hearing the
Teaching become anxious and frightened and think-We being impermanent
thought were permanent. Not lasting forever, we thought we would last
forever. We too are impermanent, changeful, do not last forever are
an embodiment of an individual. . Bhikkhus, the Thus Gone One is so
powerful and wields power over the world. .