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Nibbaanasukha sutta

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  • ������� ���������� ��������� (Dimitry A.
    Dear Pali friends, In the Nibbaanasukha sutta http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/anguttara/an09-034.html
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 12, 2002
      Dear Pali friends,

      In the Nibbaanasukha sutta

      http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/anguttara/an09-034.html
      http://www.tipitaka.org/tipitaka/s0404m2/s0404m2-31.html

      in the description of fourth jhana there is
      a passage:

      tassa ce, aavuso, bhikkhuno iminaa vihaarena viharato
      upekkhaasahagataa sa~n~naamanasikaaraa samudaacaranti, svassa hoti
      aabaadho.

      which is a bit strange since rather 'sukha' is a hindrance in fourth
      jhana instead of 'upekkha'.

      Could it be that an error has crept in? Or something special is meant?

      Metta,
      Dimitry
    • Bill Strider
      ... I don t think this is an error. Upekkha is the attainment of the third jhana. In the fourth jhana, upekkha is stilled, so attention to upekkha becomes a
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 13, 2002
        --- "������� ���������� ��������� (Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko)"
        <sangha@...> wrote:
        >
        > in the description of fourth jhana there is
        > a passage:
        >
        > tassa ce, aavuso, bhikkhuno iminaa vihaarena viharato
        > upekkhaasahagataa sa~n~naamanasikaaraa samudaacaranti,
        > svassa hoti
        > aabaadho.
        >
        > which is a bit strange since rather 'sukha' is a
        > hindrance in fourth
        > jhana instead of 'upekkha'.
        >
        > Could it be that an error has crept in? Or something
        > special is meant?
        >

        I don't think this is an error. Upekkha is the attainment
        of the third jhana. In the fourth jhana, upekkha is
        stilled, so attention to upekkha becomes a hindrance.

        This is consistent with the other jhanas, as well as the
        other states described in the sutta. At each level, the
        attainment of the previous level is left behind; if your
        attention is stuck in that previous level, that will
        interfere with your progress.

        This is my interpretation. If someone else has a different
        view, please share it.


        Metta,
        Bill

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      • ������� ���������� ��������� (Dimitry A.
        Hi Bill, BS I don t think this is an error. Upekkha is the attainment BS of the third jhana. In the fourth jhana, upekkha is BS stilled, so attention to
        Message 3 of 3 , Jun 17, 2002
          Hi Bill,

          BS> I don't think this is an error. Upekkha is the attainment
          BS> of the third jhana. In the fourth jhana, upekkha is
          BS> stilled, so attention to upekkha becomes a hindrance.

          Thank you. Indeed I have found a confirmation in Tapussa sutta

          http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/anguttara/an9-41.html

          Metta,
          Dimitry
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