Re: objectivity, buddhists with no hope of salvation
- Dear Stephen, Frank and friends,
in my humble opinion, I think the ongoing waves of Islamic terrorism
is giving confidence to some Christian fundamentalist groups. I am
not writing very well on this since most are passing thoughts. I do
think that top people in the Catholic Church takes this as an
opportunity to reclaim the grounds they have lost in the past
decades. As the richest and most powerful religious activists and
lobbyists, they like to ensure that the Abrahamic faith is preserved
exactly in the way they preferred, disregarding that its doctrinal
foundation is shared by numerous religious denominations, all having
very diverse views of most of the issues. I think there is a
likelihood we see things coming round to a full circle, and it would
trigger a new renaissance, only this time it will be a worldwide
movement and most probably reduce religions to a bare social
The Buddhist stand on other religions is always embrace and respect,
and this discussion hardly leads us to anything we want to achieve.
So, I would suggest that we give the topic a rest, and resume our
Ven. Yuttadhammo wrote:
> A Sri Lankan monk once gave a lecture in Canada about whatPerhaps the monk had in mind the Atthakathaas' notion of
> the word Buddha means, and he said that he himself might be
> considered "Buddha" because he had learned a lot in school.
> Again, I think this is a misuse of the term...
cattaaro hi buddhaa: sutabuddho, catusaccabuddho,
paccekabuddho, sabba~n~nubuddho ti
For [there are] four awakened ones: one awakened
through learning; one awakened through the four
truths; one awakened privately; one awakened
tattha bahussuto bhikkhu "sutabuddho" naama.
In this scheme a bhikkhu who has heard much is
called "one awakened through learning".
khii.naasavo "catusaccabuddho" naama.
He in whom the pollutions are ended is called
"one awakened through the four truths".
kappasatasahassaadhikaani dve asa`nkhyeyyaani
paaramiyo puuretvaa saama.m
One who after fulfilling the perfections for two
asankhyeyyas and one hundred thousand kappas,
has by himself penetrated that knowledge
called private awakening is called "one awakened
kappasatasahassaadhikaani cattaari vaa a.t.tha vaa
so.lasa vaa asa`nkhyeyyaani paaramiyo puuretvaa
ti.n.na.m maaraana.m matthaka.m madditvaa
One who after fulfilling the perfections for four,
eight or sixteen asankhyeyyas and one hundred
thousand kappas, and trampling on the head of the
three Maaras, has by himself penetrated that
knowledge called omniscience, is called an
omniscient awakened one.
imesu catuusu buddhesu sabba~n~nubuddhova adutiyo
naama. na hi tena saddhi.m a~n~no sabba~n~nubuddho
Among these four awakened ones, only the omniscient
awakened one is called 'without a second', because
another [person] called 'an omniscient awakened one'
does not arise with him.
(AA. i. 115)
I am not sure if the subject is appropriate for the group, if it is not, please
see the post as irrelevant.
Is it asserted by Theravada monks that Vipassana (of the Theravada tradition) is
the original way to practice the Satipathana sutta? Or do they say it was
"adapted", or alternatively "rediscovered"?
I think Zen practice also is said to be based upon Satipathana sutta, though it
is different from Vipassana. And I am not sure whether the Tibetan version of
practice of "The four foundations of mindfulness" is the same as Vipassana
Have a good day
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- At 19:11 06.04.2006 +0300, you wrote:
>Hello.There is not ONE way to practice the Satipatthana sutta. There are
>I am not sure if the subject is appropriate for the group, if it is not,
>see the post as irrelevant.
>Is it asserted by Theravada monks that Vipassana (of the Theravada
>the original way to practice the Satipathana sutta? Or do they say it was
>"adapted", or alternatively "rediscovered"?
different practical approaches, according to different teachers and their
I suggest you read Jack Kornfield "Living Buddhist Masters", to find a good
survey of some of those different approaches.
Kåre A. Lie
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