> > A Sri Lankan monk once gave a lecture in Canada ... claimed thatDear Thomas,
> the word "vipassana" doesn't occur in the Tipitaka (it
> > does, after all).
> Dear Yuttadhammo,
> I find this word, Vipassana, not only is very seldom
> mentioned in the SN and SA, but also in the principal four
> nikayas/agamas (cf. also Pali English Dictionary, p. 627).
> Why? Is it not an important word being used at the time of
> the Buddha? Or is it actually created at a relatively late
> period (after the death of the Buddha)?
> Thomas Law
I am not able to say when certain words arose. It seems clear from this
group's posts that many catch words were around long before the Buddha arose
in the world (of course dharma and karma are obvious examples). I can give
some examples of how the Buddha surely used the words vipassanaa, vipassati,
vipassako, etc quite frequently:
Aaka"nkheyya ce, bhikkhave, bhikkhu- 'sabrahmacaariina.m piyo ca assa.m
manaapo ca garu ca bhaavaniiyo caa'ti siilesvevassa paripuurakaarii
ajjhatta.m cetosamathamanuyutto aniraakatajjhaano vipassanaaya samannaagato
Ime kho te, vaccha, dve dhammaa uttari bhaavitaa-samatho ca vipassanaa ca-
MN 73 (Note the frequency with which these two terms are found in the MN and
"Atiita.m naanvaagameyya, nappa.tika'nkhe anaagata.m;
yadatiita.m pahiina.m ta.m, appatta~nca anaagata.m.
Paccuppanna~nca yo dhamma.m, tattha tattha vipassati;"
MN 131-4(this seems definitely an important teaching of the Buddha, as it is
repeated four times in a row)
Tatra, bhikkhave, yvaaya.m puggalo laabhii ceva hoti ajjhatta.m
cetosamathassa laabhii adhipa~n~naadhammavipassanaaya, tena, bhikkhave,
puggalena tesu ceva kusalesu dhammesu pati.t.thaaya uttari aasavaana.m
khayaaya yogo kara.niiyo.
Puna capara.m, aavuso, bhikkhu vipassanaapubba"ngama.m samatha.m bhaaveti.
Tassa vipassanaapubba"ngama.m samatha.m bhaavayato maggo sa~njaayati. So
ta.m magga.m aasevati bhaaveti bahuliikaroti. Tassa ta.m magga.m aasevato
bhaavayato bahuliikarotosa.myojanaani pahiiyanti, anusayaa byantiihonti.
AN 4.17.10 (This one shows how samatha and vipassana can be coupled in
Tasmaatiha te, bhikkhu, eva.m sikkhitabba.m- 'indriyesu guttadvaaro
bhavissaami, bhojane matta~n~nuu, jaagariya.m anuyutto, vipassako
kusalaana.m dhammaana.m, pubbarattaapararatta.mbodhipakkhiyaana.m
dhammaana.m bhaavanaanuyoga.m anuyutto viharissaamii'ti. Eva~nhi te,
"Yoniso vicine dhamma.m, pa~n~naayattha.m vipassati;"
andhabhuuto aya.m loko, tanukettha vipassati;
saku.no jaalamuttova, appo saggaaya gacchati.
Su~n~naagaara.m pavi.t.thassa, santacittassa bhikkhuno;
amaanusii rati hoti, sammaa dhamma.m vipassato.
"Aaki~nca~n~nasambhava.m ~natvaa, nandii sa.myojana.m iti;
evameta.m abhi~n~naaya, tato tattha vipassati;
eta.m ~naa.na.m tatha.m tassa, braahma.nassa vusiimato"ti."
And of course it is found in the Abhidhamma:
Katamaa tasmi.m samaye vipassanaa hoti? Yaa tasmi.m samaye pa~n~naa
pajaananaa vicayo pavicayo dhammavicayo sallakkha.naa upalakkha.naa
paccupalakkha.naa pa.n.dicca.m kosalla.m nepu~n~na.m vebhabyaa cintaa
upaparikkhaa bhuurii medhaa pari.naayikaa vipassanaa sampaja~n~na.m patodo
pa~n~naa pa~n~nindriya.m pa~n~naabala.m pa~n~naasattha.m pa~n~naapaasaado
pa~n~naa-aaloko pa~n~naa-obhaaso pa~n~naapajjotopa~n~naaratana.m amoho
dhammavicayo sammaadi.t.thi- aya.m tasmi.m samaye vipassanaa hoti.
sa"nkhaare aniccatodukkhato anattato vipassati.
The path of Vipassana is also found in detail in the Patisambhidamagga, but
this is generally attributed to Sariputta.
- Hello Fat Buddha fans,
I have precisely no evidence for this, but i feel that it's very
likely that the association between Maitreya and the fat man was
prompted purely by a pun: 'mettaayati'ti mettaa, 'it fattens, thus
it's called mettaa'. Fat in Pali being of course 'meda'.
Another interesting detail on this is that 'metteyya' in the Pali
canon as far as i know is only used in conjunction with 'petteyya',
meaning 'filial devotion to mother and father'. Thus the association
of Metteyya Buddha with mettaa is possibly an incorrect reading. Of
course the meaning is nice, in view of the association of the maataa
with mettaa (and the overweight stature of the pregnant woman!)
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, redxfist@a... wrote:
> You'll often find the fat "monk" referred to Phra SangkaJai in
> There is a story behind him but I don't have time to write it
now. If anyone
> is interested I will though.
> Hope this helps.
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- Dear Stephen, Frank and friends,
in my humble opinion, I think the ongoing waves of Islamic terrorism
is giving confidence to some Christian fundamentalist groups. I am
not writing very well on this since most are passing thoughts. I do
think that top people in the Catholic Church takes this as an
opportunity to reclaim the grounds they have lost in the past
decades. As the richest and most powerful religious activists and
lobbyists, they like to ensure that the Abrahamic faith is preserved
exactly in the way they preferred, disregarding that its doctrinal
foundation is shared by numerous religious denominations, all having
very diverse views of most of the issues. I think there is a
likelihood we see things coming round to a full circle, and it would
trigger a new renaissance, only this time it will be a worldwide
movement and most probably reduce religions to a bare social
The Buddhist stand on other religions is always embrace and respect,
and this discussion hardly leads us to anything we want to achieve.
So, I would suggest that we give the topic a rest, and resume our
Ven. Yuttadhammo wrote:
> A Sri Lankan monk once gave a lecture in Canada about whatPerhaps the monk had in mind the Atthakathaas' notion of
> the word Buddha means, and he said that he himself might be
> considered "Buddha" because he had learned a lot in school.
> Again, I think this is a misuse of the term...
cattaaro hi buddhaa: sutabuddho, catusaccabuddho,
paccekabuddho, sabba~n~nubuddho ti
For [there are] four awakened ones: one awakened
through learning; one awakened through the four
truths; one awakened privately; one awakened
tattha bahussuto bhikkhu "sutabuddho" naama.
In this scheme a bhikkhu who has heard much is
called "one awakened through learning".
khii.naasavo "catusaccabuddho" naama.
He in whom the pollutions are ended is called
"one awakened through the four truths".
kappasatasahassaadhikaani dve asa`nkhyeyyaani
paaramiyo puuretvaa saama.m
One who after fulfilling the perfections for two
asankhyeyyas and one hundred thousand kappas,
has by himself penetrated that knowledge
called private awakening is called "one awakened
kappasatasahassaadhikaani cattaari vaa a.t.tha vaa
so.lasa vaa asa`nkhyeyyaani paaramiyo puuretvaa
ti.n.na.m maaraana.m matthaka.m madditvaa
One who after fulfilling the perfections for four,
eight or sixteen asankhyeyyas and one hundred
thousand kappas, and trampling on the head of the
three Maaras, has by himself penetrated that
knowledge called omniscience, is called an
omniscient awakened one.
imesu catuusu buddhesu sabba~n~nubuddhova adutiyo
naama. na hi tena saddhi.m a~n~no sabba~n~nubuddho
Among these four awakened ones, only the omniscient
awakened one is called 'without a second', because
another [person] called 'an omniscient awakened one'
does not arise with him.
(AA. i. 115)
I am not sure if the subject is appropriate for the group, if it is not, please
see the post as irrelevant.
Is it asserted by Theravada monks that Vipassana (of the Theravada tradition) is
the original way to practice the Satipathana sutta? Or do they say it was
"adapted", or alternatively "rediscovered"?
I think Zen practice also is said to be based upon Satipathana sutta, though it
is different from Vipassana. And I am not sure whether the Tibetan version of
practice of "The four foundations of mindfulness" is the same as Vipassana
Have a good day
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- At 19:11 06.04.2006 +0300, you wrote:
>Hello.There is not ONE way to practice the Satipatthana sutta. There are
>I am not sure if the subject is appropriate for the group, if it is not,
>see the post as irrelevant.
>Is it asserted by Theravada monks that Vipassana (of the Theravada
>the original way to practice the Satipathana sutta? Or do they say it was
>"adapted", or alternatively "rediscovered"?
different practical approaches, according to different teachers and their
I suggest you read Jack Kornfield "Living Buddhist Masters", to find a good
survey of some of those different approaches.
Kåre A. Lie
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