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Re: [Pali] khandha

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  • Äìèòðèé Èâàõíåíêî (Dimit
    Dear Gabriel, BGPGU If someone thinks this approach is useful and would like to BGPGU know more, I d be happy to translate to English my French text BGPGU
    Message 1 of 4 , Mar 25, 2002
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      Dear Gabriel,

      BGPGU> If someone thinks this approach is useful and would like to
      BGPGU> know more, I'd be happy to translate to English my French text
      BGPGU> on the matter for the khandhâ 2. to 5.

      Can you please translate it?

      Mettena cittena,
      Dimitry
    • John Kelly
      Dear Gabriel, I would be most interested in reading your text on the psycho-physiological aggregates. Posting it in English in the file area of this list
      Message 2 of 4 , Mar 27, 2002
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        Dear Gabriel,
        I would be most interested in reading your text on the
        psycho-physiological aggregates. Posting it in
        English in the file area of this list would be
        appreciated by many of us, I'm sure. I would also be
        interested in challenging my passable reading fluency
        in French by seeing your original version, which I
        hope you will mail me off-list.
        Merci mille fois, mon ami.
        John
        --- "Bittar Gabriel, PhD, Geneva University"
        <buddhayatana@...> wrote:
        > Dear Pali friends.
        >
        > The categorisation of the world structures in five 5
        > types of aggregates
        > (pa�ca-khandh�) is quite often repeated in the
        > Suttas. I find it a quite
        > useful view of the world, when keeping in mind that
        > it is a categoriasation
        > view, when used with flexibility and when adapted to
        > modern knowledge. As
        > an evolutionary scientist with a peculiar interest
        > for psychological
        > aspects of it, I have adopted the following
        > interpretation - mind you, it's
        > nothing more (or less) than that: a personal
        > interpretation.
        >
        > 1. : r�pa-khandh�, the aggregates of form
        >
        > include the basic elements constituting matter;
        > archaic belief: the catt�ri mah�-bh�t�ni -
        > pa.thav�-dh�tu, earth element;
        > �po-dh�tu, water element; tejo-dh�tu, fire element;
        > v�yo-dh�tu, air element
        > -, but also sometimes �k�sa-dh�tu, space element;
        > which can all be translated in modern science as:
        > ondes-particules
        > sub-atomic and atomic wave-particles, fondamental
        > forces;
        >
        > the r�pa-khandh� also include the up�d�ya-r�p�, the
        > secundary forms,
        > derived properties of which some belong to living
        > beings (archaic meaning:
        > les 5 senses, feminity, masculinity, vitality,
        > etc.); modern
        > interpretation: ADN, enzymes, metabolism, etc.).
        >
        > The r�pa-khandh� are more or less complex san'kh�r�
        > (structural fluxes /
        > processes), they constitute the non-living matter
        > (including the viruses)
        > but also the physical basic (molecular) mechanisms
        > of the more complex life
        > phenomena.
        >
        > If someone thinks this approach is useful and would
        > like to know more, I'd
        > be happy to translate to English my French text on
        > the matter for the
        > khandh� 2. to 5., the catt�ri n�ma-r�pa khandh�, the
        > 4 types of
        > psycho-physiological aggregates :
        >
        > 2. vedan�-khandh�, the aggregates of sensations
        >
        > 3. sa���-khandh�, the aggregates of perceptions
        >
        > 4. (citta-)san'kh�r�-khandh�, the aggregates of
        > (psychic) structural
        > processes which emerge from a complex
        > (quasi-)nervous nodule
        >
        > 5. vi'���.na-khandh�, the aggregates of discerning
        > consciousness
        > ("consciousness-conscience"), which emerge from a
        > coherent whole of
        > structural processes set up in a process of
        > reflection ("know thyself");
        > privileged exit-point out of sam's�ra.
        >
        >
        >
        > --------------------------------------------------
        > Jacqueline "Gotam� J�varakkh�" Bittar
        > Dr Gabriel "Ananda J�vasattha" Bittar,
        > PhD University of Geneva
        > phone +61 8 8553 7442 , fax +61 8 8553 7444
        > mob. ph. +61 4 2743 5148
        >
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        > Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics
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        >
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        >
        >
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        >
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        >
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        > a'nicc� vata san'kh�r�
        > ( a'niccaa vata san'khaaraa )
        > "impermanent are structural processes"
        > "instables sont les flux structurels"
        > Siddh�rtha (Siddhaartha) Gautama Buddha
        > ---------------------------------------------------
        >
        >
        >


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