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Re[2]: [Pali] kilesa vs. upakkilesa

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  • ������� ��������� (Dimitry Ivakhnenko)
    Pra Pakdi, Thank you for reply - I felt as if I am talking to myself. py kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as py lobha,dosa and moha as you
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      Pra Pakdi,

      Thank you for reply - I felt as if I am talking to myself.

      py> kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as
      py> lobha,dosa and moha as you already know,

      Please tell the appropriate reference.
      Let's distinguish from the very start, how and if this word is used in
      Suttanta Pitaka and in the Commentaries.
      I have not found a single occurence of the word 'kilesa' in Digha,
      Anguttara and Samyutta Nikayas, and only two occurences in Majjhima
      Nikaya, at 3.275.

      py> , but
      py> upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16
      py> items, i.e.

      Thank you for the reference to excellent Vatthupama Sutta
      http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/majjhima/mn7.html

      There are similar lists of seventeen items in each last discourse of
      Books 3 to 11 of the Anguttara Nikaya, which carry the title
      Ragapeyyala, the Repetitive Text on Greed (etc.), with 'dosa' and
      'moha' included. So this is not a subdivision.

      There are also lists of four upakkilesaa at A.2.54, and five at
      A.3.16.

      Probably the distinction between 'upakkilesa' and 'kilesa' can be a
      criterion of the age of the text. In the earliest texts the word
      'kilesa' is not used.

      py> Another classification :
      py> Kilesa : defilements , 10 items i.e.

      In my opinion this list repeats the lists of 'upakkilesaa'.

      Metta,
      Dimitry, Kiev, Ukraine
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