Re: [Pali] kilesa vs. upakkilesa
- kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as
lobha,dosa and moha as you already know, , but
upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16
1.Abhijjaavismalobha : greed and covetousness;
covetousness and unrighteous greed
4. Upanaaha; grudge;spite
5. Makkha: detraction;depreciation; enigration
6.Palaasa; domineering; rivalry ; envious rivalry
7. Issaa: envy; jealousy
8. Macchariya : stinginess; meanness
9.Maayaa : deceit
10. Saatheyya : hypocrisy
11. Thambha : obstinacy; rigidity
12. Saarambha : presumption; competing contention;
contentiousness; contentious rivalry; vying; strife
13. Maana: conceit
14.Atimaana : excessive conceit
15. Mada : vanity
16. Pamaada : heedlessness ; negligence; indolence
By the way there is also another classification or
subdivision, called Mala : stains 9 items i.e.
1.Kodha : anger
2. Makkha : detraction; depreciation
3.Issaa : envy; jealousy
4. Macchariya : stinginess; meanness
5. Maayaa : deceit
6. Saatheyya : hypocrisy
7. Musaavaada : false speech
8. Paapicchaa :evil desire
9. Micchaaditthi : false view
Another classification :
Kilesa : defilements , 10 items i.e.
1. Lobha : greed
2. Dosa : hatred
3. Moha : delusion
4. Maana : conceit
5. Ditthi : wrong view
6. Vicikicchaa : doubt; uncertainty
7. Thina : sloth
8.Uddhacca : restlessness
9. Ahirika : shamelessness
10. Anottappa : lack of moral dread
Ref : Vbh 391
Prapakdi, Bangkok, Thailand
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> JK> Does anyone know the difference in meanings__________________________________________________
> JK> kilesa and uppakkilesa? The dictionary
> JK> suggest defilement or impurity for both. What
> JK> subtlety of difference does the upa- prefix
> bring, if
> JK> any?
> On the second glance, I think that besides the tinge
> of 'on, upon',
> there's also a shade of 'coming close from down
> under'. That is,
> 'upakkilesaa' are considered to be somewhat lower,
> or secondary,
> adjoining, to those things on which they appear.
> Simplification 'kilesaa' loses that shade.
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- Pra Pakdi,
Thank you for reply - I felt as if I am talking to myself.
py> kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as
py> lobha,dosa and moha as you already know,
Please tell the appropriate reference.
Let's distinguish from the very start, how and if this word is used in
Suttanta Pitaka and in the Commentaries.
I have not found a single occurence of the word 'kilesa' in Digha,
Anguttara and Samyutta Nikayas, and only two occurences in Majjhima
Nikaya, at 3.275.
py> , but
py> upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16
py> items, i.e.
Thank you for the reference to excellent Vatthupama Sutta
There are similar lists of seventeen items in each last discourse of
Books 3 to 11 of the Anguttara Nikaya, which carry the title
Ragapeyyala, the Repetitive Text on Greed (etc.), with 'dosa' and
'moha' included. So this is not a subdivision.
There are also lists of four upakkilesaa at A.2.54, and five at
Probably the distinction between 'upakkilesa' and 'kilesa' can be a
criterion of the age of the text. In the earliest texts the word
'kilesa' is not used.
py> Another classification :
py> Kilesa : defilements , 10 items i.e.
In my opinion this list repeats the lists of 'upakkilesaa'.
Dimitry, Kiev, Ukraine