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Re: [Pali] kilesa vs. upakkilesa

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  • pakdi yanawaro
    kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as lobha,dosa and moha as you already know, , but upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16 items,
    Message 1 of 5 , Feb 2, 2002
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      kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as
      lobha,dosa and moha as you already know, , but
      upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16
      items, i.e.
      1.Abhijjaavismalobha : greed and covetousness;
      covetousness and unrighteous greed
      2.Byaapaada:malevolence; illwill
      3.Kodha: anger
      4. Upanaaha; grudge;spite
      5. Makkha: detraction;depreciation; enigration
      6.Palaasa; domineering; rivalry ; envious rivalry
      7. Issaa: envy; jealousy
      8. Macchariya : stinginess; meanness
      9.Maayaa : deceit
      10. Saatheyya : hypocrisy
      11. Thambha : obstinacy; rigidity
      12. Saarambha : presumption; competing contention;
      contentiousness; contentious rivalry; vying; strife
      13. Maana: conceit
      14.Atimaana : excessive conceit
      15. Mada : vanity
      16. Pamaada : heedlessness ; negligence; indolence
      Ref. M.1.36

      By the way there is also another classification or
      subdivision, called Mala : stains 9 items i.e.
      1.Kodha : anger
      2. Makkha : detraction; depreciation
      3.Issaa : envy; jealousy
      4. Macchariya : stinginess; meanness
      5. Maayaa : deceit
      6. Saatheyya : hypocrisy
      7. Musaavaada : false speech
      8. Paapicchaa :evil desire
      9. Micchaaditthi : false view
      Ref. Vbh.389

      Another classification :
      Kilesa : defilements , 10 items i.e.
      1. Lobha : greed
      2. Dosa : hatred
      3. Moha : delusion
      4. Maana : conceit
      5. Ditthi : wrong view
      6. Vicikicchaa : doubt; uncertainty
      7. Thina : sloth
      8.Uddhacca : restlessness
      9. Ahirika : shamelessness
      10. Anottappa : lack of moral dread
      Ref : Vbh 391

      Metta ,
      Prapakdi, Bangkok, Thailand



      --- "������� ��������� (Dimitry Ivakhnenko)"
      <sangha@...> wrote:
      > JK> Does anyone know the difference in meanings
      > between
      > JK> kilesa and uppakkilesa? The dictionary
      > definitions
      > JK> suggest defilement or impurity for both. What
      > JK> subtlety of difference does the upa- prefix
      > bring, if
      > JK> any?
      >
      > On the second glance, I think that besides the tinge
      > of 'on, upon',
      > there's also a shade of 'coming close from down
      > under'. That is,
      > 'upakkilesaa' are considered to be somewhat lower,
      > or secondary,
      > adjoining, to those things on which they appear.
      >
      > Simplification 'kilesaa' loses that shade.
      >
      > Metta,
      > Dimitry
      >
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    • ������� ��������� (Dimitry Ivakhnenko)
      Pra Pakdi, Thank you for reply - I felt as if I am talking to myself. py kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as py lobha,dosa and moha as you
      Message 2 of 5 , Feb 2, 2002
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        Pra Pakdi,

        Thank you for reply - I felt as if I am talking to myself.

        py> kilesa is the main classification, it is clasified as
        py> lobha,dosa and moha as you already know,

        Please tell the appropriate reference.
        Let's distinguish from the very start, how and if this word is used in
        Suttanta Pitaka and in the Commentaries.
        I have not found a single occurence of the word 'kilesa' in Digha,
        Anguttara and Samyutta Nikayas, and only two occurences in Majjhima
        Nikaya, at 3.275.

        py> , but
        py> upakilesa is a subdivision into more details, 16
        py> items, i.e.

        Thank you for the reference to excellent Vatthupama Sutta
        http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/majjhima/mn7.html

        There are similar lists of seventeen items in each last discourse of
        Books 3 to 11 of the Anguttara Nikaya, which carry the title
        Ragapeyyala, the Repetitive Text on Greed (etc.), with 'dosa' and
        'moha' included. So this is not a subdivision.

        There are also lists of four upakkilesaa at A.2.54, and five at
        A.3.16.

        Probably the distinction between 'upakkilesa' and 'kilesa' can be a
        criterion of the age of the text. In the earliest texts the word
        'kilesa' is not used.

        py> Another classification :
        py> Kilesa : defilements , 10 items i.e.

        In my opinion this list repeats the lists of 'upakkilesaa'.

        Metta,
        Dimitry, Kiev, Ukraine
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