I am experimenting with normalizing some of the Pali in a
database. In the future, I hope that this could be of use to
some of you. Perhaps you can share some of your experience
Many words have multiple definitions in any Pali-English
dictionary. In general, Which do you feel is more accurate, that
Pali contains many homonyms or simply that a perfectly matching
translation or connotation may not be available in English?
In the case of homonyms, in most cases, is it fairly easy to
discern the intended meaning from context? For example, is it
usually clear when dhamma refers to conduct, teaching, or truth.
Is it safe to assume that identical Pali sentences found in
different sutta could accurately share translations?
Among various collections (PTS, VRI, etc), is there a general
consistency in the spelling of Pali words? In what ways do they
these collections differ (organization, content, etc)?
Thank you in advance for any help you might provide,
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- --- Alexander Genaud <alexgenaud@...> skrev: >
> Many words have multiple definitions in anyI think both. A typical example of homonyms is vibhava
> dictionary. In general, Which do you feel is more
> accurate, that
> Pali contains many homonyms or simply that a
> perfectly matching
> translation or connotation may not be available in
in the Second Noble Truth, which was consistently
misunderstood by the early Western translators from
Pali (a point, I think, for looking at the
commentaries from time to time).
An example of perfectly matching translations not
available in English is dukkha - or, for that matter,
bhikkhu, as bhikkhus are strictly speaking more
similar to friars than to monks.
> In the case of homonyms, in most cases, is it fairlyNow you're getting into deep water. There's nothing
> easy to
> discern the intended meaning from context? For
> example, is it
> usually clear when dhamma refers to conduct,
> teaching, or truth.
easy in the art of translation.
> Is it safe to assume that identical Pali sentencesI hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it.
> found in
> different sutta could accurately share translations?
> Among various collections (PTS, VRI, etc), is thereThose who are more competent than I may answer; I can
> a general
> consistency in the spelling of Pali words? In what
> ways do they
> these collections differ (organization, content,
only point out a couple of slight details in my first
experience of the CSCD.
I tried to find the Kalama Sutta. Searched for
kaalaamasutta.m - no luck. Searched for kesaputta, as
the town is named in all versions I have seen as far -
no luck. Finally searched fo kaalaamaana.m, and there
it was; the sutta being called, however,
Kesamuttisutta.m, and the town called Kesamutta.
Also in the Karaniyamettasutta (which they call only
Mettasutta.m), both in the Khuddakapatha and in the
Suttanipata, third stanza, first line, I have always
read - and heard - "na ca khudda.m samaacare kiñci",
but in the CSCD, both places, the syllable "sam-" did
not appear, thus "na ca khuddamaacare kiñci"; I looked
at the footnotes, which have alternate readings for
several words, bot not for this one.
Some weeks ago, in the Royal Library in Stockholm,
there was a public presentation of a new Siamese
edition of the Pali Tipitaka (latinized). It was said
to be based on the Chattha Sangayana version, in
collaboration with the VRI people, after several years
work of correcting errors in their version - which
seems to me to imply that the CSCD is perhaps not
quite perfect. Unfortunately, the edition presented
seems to be a De Lux one only in paper form (the
presenters didn't seem positive to making their text
available on line and/or CD).
And the Thai people presenting it weren't quite
perfect either. They repeatedly asserted that the
Sixth Council took place in 1957, probably confusing
the Siamese Buddhist chronology with the
Well, there is no perfection in this world. That's
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