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Re: [Pali] SN: puzzling suttas about monks lying

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  • Piya Tan
    Venerable, This is the Laabha,sakkaara Sa.myutta (S 2:233 ff). P.
    Message 1 of 4 , Sep 6, 2001
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      Venerable,

      This is the Laabha,sakkaara Sa.myutta (S 2:233 ff).

      P.

      "Ven. KUMARA Bhikkhu" wrote:

      > Frank, could you be more specific as to where in SN that quotation is found?
      >
      > metta,
      > Ven K
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: frank kuan <fcckuan@...>
      > To: Frank Kuan <fcckuan@...>
      > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2001 12:22 AM
      > Subject: [Pali] SN: puzzling suttas about monks lying
      >
      > > There's a section of suttas (repetitive with minor
      > > variations) in Samyutta that goes something like this:
      > >
      > > Buddha: With my ability to emcompass the minds of
      > > others with my own mind (i.e. mind reading), I noticed
      > > that one of you virtuous monks in this assembly who
      > > would not tell a deliberate lie for a silver bowl
      > > filled with gold, or tell a lie to save the life of
      > > your own mother, has told a lie for the sake of
      > > reputation, fame, and honor.
      > >
      > > -=======================
      > > Does anyone know SPECIFICS? Like exactly what the lie
      > > is? From the commentary notes, it looks like the
      > > motivation would be to have fame among lay supporters
      > > so they could be invited more often and for better
      > > quality of food, robes, offered.
      > >
      > > I'm really curious to know exactly what kind of lie,
      > > and how subtle the lie, and how subtle their
      > > motivation these monks used in seeking
      > > fame/honor/reputation.
      > >
      > > I'm short on time at the moment, but if necessary I
      > > can look up exact page numbers and section numbers in
      > > the next couple of days.
      > >
      > >
      > > -fk
      >
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